arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

Almost 80% of US economy is internal consumption.
US economy is strong because we spend as consumers more that anybody in the world.
By doing this we automatically forcing the expansion in infrastructure to support this consumption.
We also creating enormous amount of wealth in residential and commercial real estate and infrastructure networks.
This wealth required maintenance so we can employ more people with the sole goal to have them spend all money they earn again.
At the same time we are printing and selling $$$ for the whole bunch of messy counties to them to have some stable money exchange mechanism. To support the $$$ value we employ millions of solders and maintain military power.
US is sucking the blood of the world pretty dam good.
So all this little caveats about local taxes are just a destruction from the big picture how we as a country are dominating the world.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Hugely successful businessman who couldnt beat the stock market - Check

Speaking out against ISIS makes him strong and principled - Check

He will liberate us from Corporate fascism, by reaching out to Jamie Dimon to take the treasury job - Check

I am the one making stuff up - Check

You are on a roll, don't let the big bad wolves attack precious little red riding Trump.

He started with a million and now has billions. What are you talking about?

Where do you get your logic from?

oh you must have seen Trump's tax returns

As usual, humor or insults Cartman.

Chris Wallace just said Trump is ahead of schedule, compared to other presidents at this time. (Trump has 5 appointments by his second week.)

Under budget and ahead of schedule, get used to it.

i was addressing your point...you didn't address mine. but yeah you can call it humor or insults.

Depending on where you look... http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-billionaires/donald-trump-net-worth/

Donald Trump net worth:
$4.5 Billion

Depending on where you look, I see it ranging from 3 Billion to 10 Billion.

According to his Republican colleague (Rubio), Trump inherited about $200 million several decades ago. Trump won't release any info. about how much he inherited, how much taxes he pays if any, or how much he's worth now. He's the least transparent political candidate in half a century at least. So no one knows any of this info. with certainty.

Not sure why some posters are in business of counting somebody else money.
It was common habit of empty pocket slackers in Soviet Union and is a bad taste in US and in other normal countries.

He made it our business when he campaigned on being a great businessman.

Really?
Business is an art of generating wealth without breaking the written law.
Trump is very successful in this for himself.
Can he as politician succeed to maintain and increasing the wealth of the nation is to be seen.
The only thing that matters are the result of the work.
All intermediate gibberish is just for discussion of people who have nothing better to do.

Well he has broken laws for financial gain and has been bankrupt 6 times...If Trump invested his first loan from his father in 1974 in the S&P 500 up to today, he would be far richer than he currently is..So his business acumen isn't a selling point but the middle class can't see that...They think rich means smart..Other billionaires who know him pesonnally don't think he is smart at all...Buffet, Bloomberg, Cuban...

Bankruptcy is not a crime but a tool to manipulate wealth.
Legal and smart tool used by millions of people - reach and not so reach.
No one wants the wealth to be destroyed and dispersed but rather increased and concentrate to allow producing more wealth.
Its like critical mass of nuclear fuel in reactor. If it is not concentrated enough no access energy is produces at all, if it is reaching the critical mass it will explode.
Bankruptcy is great tool in toolbox of managing and optimizing the wealth concentration.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Hugely successful businessman who couldnt beat the stock market - Check

Speaking out against ISIS makes him strong and principled - Check

He will liberate us from Corporate fascism, by reaching out to Jamie Dimon to take the treasury job - Check

I am the one making stuff up - Check

You are on a roll, don't let the big bad wolves attack precious little red riding Trump.

He started with a million and now has billions. What are you talking about?

Where do you get your logic from?

oh you must have seen Trump's tax returns

As usual, humor or insults Cartman.

Chris Wallace just said Trump is ahead of schedule, compared to other presidents at this time. (Trump has 5 appointments by his second week.)

Under budget and ahead of schedule, get used to it.

i was addressing your point...you didn't address mine. but yeah you can call it humor or insults.

Depending on where you look... http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-billionaires/donald-trump-net-worth/

Donald Trump net worth:
$4.5 Billion

Depending on where you look, I see it ranging from 3 Billion to 10 Billion.

According to his Republican colleague (Rubio), Trump inherited about $200 million several decades ago. Trump won't release any info. about how much he inherited, how much taxes he pays if any, or how much he's worth now. He's the least transparent political candidate in half a century at least. So no one knows any of this info. with certainty.

Not sure why some posters are in business of counting somebody else money.
It was common habit of empty pocket slackers in Soviet Union and is a bad taste in US and in other normal countries.

He made it our business when he campaigned on being a great businessman.

Really?
Business is an art of generating wealth without breaking the written law.
Trump is very successful in this for himself.
Can he as politician succeed to maintain and increasing the wealth of the nation is to be seen.
The only thing that matters are the result of the work.
All intermediate gibberish is just for discussion of people who have nothing better to do.

Well he has broken laws for financial gain and has been bankrupt 6 times...If Trump invested his first loan from his father in 1974 in the S&P 500 up to today, he would be far richer than he currently is..So his business acumen isn't a selling point but the middle class can't see that...They think rich means smart..Other billionaires who know him pesonnally don't think he is smart at all...Buffet, Bloomberg, Cuban...

Bankruptcy is not a crime but a tool to manipulate wealth.
Legal and smart tool used by millions of people - reach and not so reach.
No one wants the wealth to be destroyed and dispersed but rather increased and concentrate to allow producing more wealth.
Its like critical mass of nuclear fuel in reactor. If it is not concentrated enough no access energy is produces at all, if it is reaching the critical mass it will explode.
Bankruptcy is great tool in toolbox of managing and optimizing the wealth concentration.

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities paper on repatriation and tax..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

I guess I'm putting my hopes on Trump, but not 100%. I think he will clean things up and inspire people to be better and do what is right for everyone.
Now, what you said about Trump is just a statement. I could easily say Clinton has done that, that her Clinton Foundation is a slush fund (bribery - pay to play) and that she is pro war. So, I'll take Trumps "shortcomings", I just am not sure they are a big worry to me. Understand he is going to be closely watched (as would Clinton).

Trump took advantage of all the loopholes, and as Akrud said, that is what a good businessman does. Bankruptcy is often a strategy and not an outright failure, though sometimes it is that too.
I just think we should give the guy a chance.

I have mentioned his shortcomings but, in particular you, never give any shortcomings with Hillary. It was her actual shortcomings that got me (and many others) to want (or vote for) a Trump presidency. So, seriously, something to think about. If you message is just anti-Trump, well, that is your message and we have bigger concerns.

I think I've made nice with Dr. A, worked on repairing my relationship with Bonn , etc. But I'm not sure how this board/thread can be productive if it is just Pepsi vs Coke.?
"Where do we go now?"

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

djsunyc wrote:this is what my gut is telling me:

trump will have a hard time getting everything he wants approved and b/c of this, he will escalate international military action and enter into another major war. i would not be surprised if he aligns himself with russia during this. the war will give him an excuse for why things aren't going the way he planned. we will also see a major stock market crash within 3 years.

I do hope he's not stupid enough to put ground troops into Syria- can you imagine what would happen if ISIS captured any US troops? Cue horrific televised torture followed by an escalation of US involvement for revenge

War is war. If solder is killed or captured and then killed this what he is paid for and this what his duty for the county is.
ISIS is Sunni army to fight Shia Iran. We should let Turkey and Saudis to fix the issues they created themselves.
Russia took the Shia site alongside with Iran and Assad because they see the emerging winner.
Muslim have to sort it out on their own. It is not our business.
Europeans open the door and show to the people in Middle East that they can leave their life like people not like slaves.
But when they all start running out of their middle-edges prison they closing the door and let them drown in Mediterranean.
They are like a woman which showed the stuff and then closed the door. No wonder they are getting raped.
The Middle East border reshape is inevitable. Turkey, Egypt, Israel, Kurds, Saudis, and Iran will take what they will be able to control.
The war to settle this down is raging for a while already and the best thing for us to stay away.
It is nothing there for us.

Seriously man, what the ****?

This is a good analogy foe European multi-culturism.
It all hunky-dory until they are personally affected by cultures they cannot comprehend.
Then they cry wolf... and let the nazi dogs out.
Poland, Hungary, Baltic countries, even Germany... just a ticking bomb.
I saw them up-close - soft talking intellectuals with crowds of skinheads behind them sharpening the knives.
If you think Americans are bigots you never leaved in Europe.

Its an awful analogy- you have disturbing views on rape.

Not sure why you taking all points literally.
Term rape can be used to describe sexual violence against woman but it also can be used to describe violence and abuse in general.
Also rape can be provoked because many people are not mentally stable and have a little cultural skin.
It takes little to open the door to animal instincts.

How is rape 'provoked'? Rapists and paedophiles always blame their victims, that they somehow 'were asking for it' or 'made them do it', it's complete 100% BS- and I won't collude with that mentality- the blame lies 100% with the attacker.

Bonn1997 wrote:

She is up 1.7 million more popular votes and still 7 million to count...How does America say 2+million more votes doesn't matter??

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

Almost 80% of US economy is internal consumption.
US economy is strong because we spend as consumers more that anybody in the world.
By doing this we automatically forcing the expansion in infrastructure to support this consumption.
We also creating enormous amount of wealth in residential and commercial real estate and infrastructure networks.
This wealth required maintenance so we can employ more people with the sole goal to have them spend all money they earn again.
At the same time we are printing and selling $$$ for the whole bunch of messy counties to them to have some stable money exchange mechanism. To support the $$$ value we employ millions of solders and maintain military power.
US is sucking the blood of the world pretty dam good.
So all this little caveats about local taxes are just a destruction from the big picture how we as a country are dominating the world.

So where is your proof or examples of write-ups showing the money will get to those who will spend?

I don't care where money goes. Its all Brown partials movement.
I look at people of what country have more security , prosperity, social safety net, and public order and stability.
Who is personally pure or reach is personal achievement or fault.

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Hugely successful businessman who couldnt beat the stock market - Check

Speaking out against ISIS makes him strong and principled - Check

He will liberate us from Corporate fascism, by reaching out to Jamie Dimon to take the treasury job - Check

I am the one making stuff up - Check

You are on a roll, don't let the big bad wolves attack precious little red riding Trump.

He started with a million and now has billions. What are you talking about?

Where do you get your logic from?

oh you must have seen Trump's tax returns

As usual, humor or insults Cartman.

Chris Wallace just said Trump is ahead of schedule, compared to other presidents at this time. (Trump has 5 appointments by his second week.)

Under budget and ahead of schedule, get used to it.

i was addressing your point...you didn't address mine. but yeah you can call it humor or insults.

Depending on where you look... http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-billionaires/donald-trump-net-worth/

Donald Trump net worth:
$4.5 Billion

Depending on where you look, I see it ranging from 3 Billion to 10 Billion.

According to his Republican colleague (Rubio), Trump inherited about $200 million several decades ago. Trump won't release any info. about how much he inherited, how much taxes he pays if any, or how much he's worth now. He's the least transparent political candidate in half a century at least. So no one knows any of this info. with certainty.

Not sure why some posters are in business of counting somebody else money.
It was common habit of empty pocket slackers in Soviet Union and is a bad taste in US and in other normal countries.

He made it our business when he campaigned on being a great businessman.

Really?
Business is an art of generating wealth without breaking the written law.
Trump is very successful in this for himself.
Can he as politician succeed to maintain and increasing the wealth of the nation is to be seen.
The only thing that matters are the result of the work.
All intermediate gibberish is just for discussion of people who have nothing better to do.

Well he has broken laws for financial gain and has been bankrupt 6 times...If Trump invested his first loan from his father in 1974 in the S&P 500 up to today, he would be far richer than he currently is..So his business acumen isn't a selling point but the middle class can't see that...They think rich means smart..Other billionaires who know him pesonnally don't think he is smart at all...Buffet, Bloomberg, Cuban...

Bankruptcy is not a crime but a tool to manipulate wealth.
Legal and smart tool used by millions of people - reach and not so reach.
No one wants the wealth to be destroyed and dispersed but rather increased and concentrate to allow producing more wealth.
Its like critical mass of nuclear fuel in reactor. If it is not concentrated enough no access energy is produces at all, if it is reaching the critical mass it will explode.
Bankruptcy is great tool in toolbox of managing and optimizing the wealth concentration.

No but racketeering is a crime. Housing discrimination is a crime. Stiffing small business owners and reneging on contracts because you know the other party doesn't have to resources to fight you in court is a crime.

I always find it interesting that when rich guys manipulate our laws and take advantage of the government to put more money in their pockets they're smart. When poor people do that same thing to squeeze a few extra dollars out the system to support their families they're portrayed has evil and an example of what's wrong with this country.

In relation to crime all you mentioned are accusations.
If he will be prosecuted, found guilty, and indicted, this will be a crime.
Without it this is your personal empty statement.

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meloshouldgo wrote:Hugely successful businessman who couldnt beat the stock market - Check

Speaking out against ISIS makes him strong and principled - Check

He will liberate us from Corporate fascism, by reaching out to Jamie Dimon to take the treasury job - Check

I am the one making stuff up - Check

You are on a roll, don't let the big bad wolves attack precious little red riding Trump.

He started with a million and now has billions. What are you talking about?

Where do you get your logic from?

oh you must have seen Trump's tax returns

As usual, humor or insults Cartman.

Chris Wallace just said Trump is ahead of schedule, compared to other presidents at this time. (Trump has 5 appointments by his second week.)

Under budget and ahead of schedule, get used to it.

i was addressing your point...you didn't address mine. but yeah you can call it humor or insults.

Depending on where you look... http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-billionaires/donald-trump-net-worth/

Donald Trump net worth:
$4.5 Billion

Depending on where you look, I see it ranging from 3 Billion to 10 Billion.

According to his Republican colleague (Rubio), Trump inherited about $200 million several decades ago. Trump won't release any info. about how much he inherited, how much taxes he pays if any, or how much he's worth now. He's the least transparent political candidate in half a century at least. So no one knows any of this info. with certainty.

Not sure why some posters are in business of counting somebody else money.
It was common habit of empty pocket slackers in Soviet Union and is a bad taste in US and in other normal countries.

He made it our business when he campaigned on being a great businessman.

Really?
Business is an art of generating wealth without breaking the written law.
Trump is very successful in this for himself.
Can he as politician succeed to maintain and increasing the wealth of the nation is to be seen.
The only thing that matters are the result of the work.
All intermediate gibberish is just for discussion of people who have nothing better to do.

Well he has broken laws for financial gain and has been bankrupt 6 times...If Trump invested his first loan from his father in 1974 in the S&P 500 up to today, he would be far richer than he currently is..So his business acumen isn't a selling point but the middle class can't see that...They think rich means smart..Other billionaires who know him pesonnally don't think he is smart at all...Buffet, Bloomberg, Cuban...

Bankruptcy is not a crime but a tool to manipulate wealth.
Legal and smart tool used by millions of people - reach and not so reach.
No one wants the wealth to be destroyed and dispersed but rather increased and concentrate to allow producing more wealth.
Its like critical mass of nuclear fuel in reactor. If it is not concentrated enough no access energy is produces at all, if it is reaching the critical mass it will explode.
Bankruptcy is great tool in toolbox of managing and optimizing the wealth concentration.

The point isn't whether or not bankruptcy is a crime or not..The larger point is that he has had massive failures in his business ventures that other billionaires haven't experienced..He has had to use that tool far too many times...He isn't an impressive business person in that manner...Bloomberg is worth over 40 billion off his own innovation and without papa's money and has never been bankrupt..That is a person who can run off their business acumen...

Also real business men don't get involved in pyramid schemes (The Trump Network).

What is "real" businessman"?
Some dude from movie or fiction book?
Making money and collecting wealth is a complicated thing and sometimes dirty business.
This how we people are.. We are not angels, all businessman included.

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djsunyc wrote:this is what my gut is telling me:

trump will have a hard time getting everything he wants approved and b/c of this, he will escalate international military action and enter into another major war. i would not be surprised if he aligns himself with russia during this. the war will give him an excuse for why things aren't going the way he planned. we will also see a major stock market crash within 3 years.

I do hope he's not stupid enough to put ground troops into Syria- can you imagine what would happen if ISIS captured any US troops? Cue horrific televised torture followed by an escalation of US involvement for revenge

War is war. If solder is killed or captured and then killed this what he is paid for and this what his duty for the county is.
ISIS is Sunni army to fight Shia Iran. We should let Turkey and Saudis to fix the issues they created themselves.
Russia took the Shia site alongside with Iran and Assad because they see the emerging winner.
Muslim have to sort it out on their own. It is not our business.
Europeans open the door and show to the people in Middle East that they can leave their life like people not like slaves.
But when they all start running out of their middle-edges prison they closing the door and let them drown in Mediterranean.
They are like a woman which showed the stuff and then closed the door. No wonder they are getting raped.
The Middle East border reshape is inevitable. Turkey, Egypt, Israel, Kurds, Saudis, and Iran will take what they will be able to control.
The war to settle this down is raging for a while already and the best thing for us to stay away.
It is nothing there for us.

Seriously man, what the ****?

This is a good analogy foe European multi-culturism.
It all hunky-dory until they are personally affected by cultures they cannot comprehend.
Then they cry wolf... and let the nazi dogs out.
Poland, Hungary, Baltic countries, even Germany... just a ticking bomb.
I saw them up-close - soft talking intellectuals with crowds of skinheads behind them sharpening the knives.
If you think Americans are bigots you never leaved in Europe.

Its an awful analogy- you have disturbing views on rape.

Not sure why you taking all points literally.
Term rape can be used to describe sexual violence against woman but it also can be used to describe violence and abuse in general.
Also rape can be provoked because many people are not mentally stable and have a little cultural skin.
It takes little to open the door to animal instincts.

How is rape 'provoked'? Rapists and paedophiles always blame their victims, that they somehow 'were asking for it' or 'made them do it', it's complete 100% BS- and I won't collude with that mentality- the blame lies 100% with the attacker.

Yes.

arkrd, I'd like to move this conversation beyond where you have referenced it in terms of rape; I don't think it right. Thanks.

No problem Martin. It was not my intention to focus on it.
I do not have any mental blocks to discuss anything under the moon and sun but other people do have.
So translating to straight language:
European nations and specifically multi-culturist elites open the door for all victims of violence and broken societies.
However when amount of those coming exceeded the abilities of European nations to accept them and maintain their own level of wealth and cultural values and taboos they decide to back up and lock down all refugees in camps and buffer states like Turkey.
I think it is much bigger crime that just never give people false promises and hopes.