bigjeep8 wrote:The goal seems to be bring Durant here, but Durant will be 31 years old next season. So the window to win a Championship might be very short. Maybe we have other players in mind!

bigjeep8 wrote:The goal seems to be bring Durant here, but Durant will be 31 years old next season. So the window to win a Championship might be very short. Maybe we have other players in mind!

That's the other thing about those guys. More than the age, Durant will have 12 years of NBA wear and tear on him. And I guess it's not surprising, but now that KP's gone, the injury factor was a big deal for him but not Kyrie. Interesting how that works.

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

bigjeep8 wrote:The goal seems to be bring Durant here, but Durant will be 31 years old next season. So the window to win a Championship might be very short. Maybe we have other players in mind!

That's the other thing about those guys. More than the age, Durant will have 12 years of NBA wear and tear on him. And I guess it's not surprising, but now that KP's gone, the injury factor was a big deal for him but not Kyrie. Interesting how that works.

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Expect even more gasoline to keep this fire against KP going for a few more weeks.

I hope he plays soon.

Alan Hahn dropping some great info that we kinda already had a feeling that was true. KP is a good kid but Janis is the ultimate sport dad. Janis thinking he is smarter than everybody.

Also saying that this is not like 2010 and that the cupboard is not bare.

NYKBocker wrote:

Alan Hahn dropping some great info that we kinda already had a feeling that was true. KP is a good kid but Janis is the ultimate sport dad. Janis thinking he is smarter than everybody.

Also saying that this is not like 2010 and that the cupboard is not bare.

I would disagree, it is kind of bare in terms of talent. We're in a great spot cap-wise but that's about it.

My fear with it all is most the FO are the same people who decided it was a good idea to sign THJ to that ridiculous simply because we had cap space, even if it was horrific for the franchise then and for the future. And everyone rational knew it. The rest of the NBA knew it. Pretty much anyone who wasn't a homer or in the Knicks FO knew it. And damn did we pay for it. And somehow they're still here, and even being praised for having to use a star in a deal to get rid of him.

It really is 2 elite guys or bust because these are the kinds of people that will blow the cap space by signing mediocre at best players to bloated deals if they strike out on the top targets. We know that because they have.

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:I apparently am in the minority and think this is an awful trade and another sign of FO incompetence of the highest order

1) people talk about fragile KP -- See Joel Embid, Lebron and a host of others who routinely miss extended periods due to wear and tear.
2) He is a young all star with more probability of being a 2-way superstar than anyone we have had in a generation
3) his biggest sin has been in telling the truth. It's hypocritical of some on this board who seemed to applaud him missing PJax exit interview because he thought the team was a mess, and then doing the same thing with his replacement. The truth of the matter is he was right both times. and if anything he showed improved discretion by being less public about it this time (i.e., no bike rides on day of interview)
4) All signs point to an insecure FO who didn't have answers to his complaints and panicked that he would leave the team. If they had the courage of their convictions, they could have showed KP the team was turning around through their superior drafting and player development before he had time to move.
5) Now 90% of the board is completely delusional thinking that somehow pairing a 30 year old KD with a 19 yr old KK, 20 yr old Frank is going to work. That is what has plagued us for years. We at least had a plan of players hitting their prime together. Now we'll be capped out with 2 superstars and a bunch of young-uns and the superstars will grow old too quickly
6) In contrast, look at dallas who now has Barnes 26, KP 23, Luka 19 going on 20. Much better picture (and one we were trying to accomplish)
7) regarding draft picks -- recall the John Wallace year where we had 3 later first rounders? Right, I didn't think so. they will be roster-filler not KPs

I understand that denial is an initial stage of gried, but c'mon man any objective analysis shows our FO is incompetent

I stopped reading right there. When did LeBron routinely miss extended periods of time?

fair enough. perhaps a stretch w LeBron but for the record last year was his first in his whole career where he didn't miss a game

Kyrie routinely hurt and we're begging for him. point is it comes with the territory

To be fair, I still don't understand your point about LeBron. Dude has been rock solid his entire career and you bring up a few games a year here and there that he has missed? What player has even MATCHED that plus all of the playoff games? NO ONE.

Boston traded a LOT of value (at the time) for Kyrie. The Knicks have a chance to get him for free. And we are complaining about that?

You complain about Kyrie being routinely hurt... but KP, what is he? MORE routinely hurt? Back, foot, ACL... what else? And KP has not yet shown, after a full year, that he is back to norm.

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:I apparently am in the minority and think this is an awful trade and another sign of FO incompetence of the highest order

1) people talk about fragile KP -- See Joel Embid, Lebron and a host of others who routinely miss extended periods due to wear and tear.
2) He is a young all star with more probability of being a 2-way superstar than anyone we have had in a generation
3) his biggest sin has been in telling the truth. It's hypocritical of some on this board who seemed to applaud him missing PJax exit interview because he thought the team was a mess, and then doing the same thing with his replacement. The truth of the matter is he was right both times. and if anything he showed improved discretion by being less public about it this time (i.e., no bike rides on day of interview)
4) All signs point to an insecure FO who didn't have answers to his complaints and panicked that he would leave the team. If they had the courage of their convictions, they could have showed KP the team was turning around through their superior drafting and player development before he had time to move.
5) Now 90% of the board is completely delusional thinking that somehow pairing a 30 year old KD with a 19 yr old KK, 20 yr old Frank is going to work. That is what has plagued us for years. We at least had a plan of players hitting their prime together. Now we'll be capped out with 2 superstars and a bunch of young-uns and the superstars will grow old too quickly
6) In contrast, look at dallas who now has Barnes 26, KP 23, Luka 19 going on 20. Much better picture (and one we were trying to accomplish)
7) regarding draft picks -- recall the John Wallace year where we had 3 later first rounders? Right, I didn't think so. they will be roster-filler not KPs

I understand that denial is an initial stage of gried, but c'mon man any objective analysis shows our FO is incompetent

I stopped reading right there. When did LeBron routinely miss extended periods of time?

fair enough. perhaps a stretch w LeBron but for the record last year was his first in his whole career where he didn't miss a game

Kyrie routinely hurt and we're begging for him. point is it comes with the territory

To be fair, I still don't understand your point about LeBron. Dude has been rock solid his entire career and you bring up a few games a year here and there that he has missed? What player has even MATCHED that plus all of the playoff games? NO ONE.

Boston traded a LOT of value (at the time) for Kyrie. The Knicks have a chance to get him for free. And we are complaining about that?

You complain about Kyrie being routinely hurt... but KP, what is he? MORE routinely hurt? Back, foot, ACL... what else? And KP has not yet shown, after a full year, that he is back to norm.

You have a good point on Lebron. this year has probably been his only year with "extended" time missed. I was too emotional. Point I was making was that the criticism against KP and injuries is being too hyped in an effort to justify this trade. I call BS on that. There are lots of great players routinely hurt or who have missed extended periods and we'd welcome them in a nanosecond: Kyrie, Kawhi, Paul George, Russ, even Durant

the point about Kyrie is that posters are being hypocritical when they say it was smart to trade KP because he's injury prone, and yippee we now have max money to get Kyrie who is also injury prone

People are trying to sugar coat this trade. We gave away a generational talent for a ball hog, two late first round pick (most likely), and cap space for max guys who will find it very troubling to come and join a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.

We at least used to have a plan of multiple players coming into their prime together; now we're doing 2010 version 2.0

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:I apparently am in the minority and think this is an awful trade and another sign of FO incompetence of the highest order

1) people talk about fragile KP -- See Joel Embid, Lebron and a host of others who routinely miss extended periods due to wear and tear.
2) He is a young all star with more probability of being a 2-way superstar than anyone we have had in a generation
3) his biggest sin has been in telling the truth. It's hypocritical of some on this board who seemed to applaud him missing PJax exit interview because he thought the team was a mess, and then doing the same thing with his replacement. The truth of the matter is he was right both times. and if anything he showed improved discretion by being less public about it this time (i.e., no bike rides on day of interview)
4) All signs point to an insecure FO who didn't have answers to his complaints and panicked that he would leave the team. If they had the courage of their convictions, they could have showed KP the team was turning around through their superior drafting and player development before he had time to move.
5) Now 90% of the board is completely delusional thinking that somehow pairing a 30 year old KD with a 19 yr old KK, 20 yr old Frank is going to work. That is what has plagued us for years. We at least had a plan of players hitting their prime together. Now we'll be capped out with 2 superstars and a bunch of young-uns and the superstars will grow old too quickly
6) In contrast, look at dallas who now has Barnes 26, KP 23, Luka 19 going on 20. Much better picture (and one we were trying to accomplish)
7) regarding draft picks -- recall the John Wallace year where we had 3 later first rounders? Right, I didn't think so. they will be roster-filler not KPs

I understand that denial is an initial stage of gried, but c'mon man any objective analysis shows our FO is incompetent

I stopped reading right there. When did LeBron routinely miss extended periods of time?

fair enough. perhaps a stretch w LeBron but for the record last year was his first in his whole career where he didn't miss a game

Kyrie routinely hurt and we're begging for him. point is it comes with the territory

To be fair, I still don't understand your point about LeBron. Dude has been rock solid his entire career and you bring up a few games a year here and there that he has missed? What player has even MATCHED that plus all of the playoff games? NO ONE.

Boston traded a LOT of value (at the time) for Kyrie. The Knicks have a chance to get him for free. And we are complaining about that?

You complain about Kyrie being routinely hurt... but KP, what is he? MORE routinely hurt? Back, foot, ACL... what else? And KP has not yet shown, after a full year, that he is back to norm.

You have a good point on Lebron. this year has probably been his only year with "extended" time missed. I was too emotional. Point I was making was that the criticism against KP and injuries is being too hyped in an effort to justify this trade. I call BS on that. There are lots of great players routinely hurt or who have missed extended periods and we'd welcome them in a nanosecond: Kyrie, Kawhi, Paul George, Russ, even Durant

the point about Kyrie is that posters are being hypocritical when they say it was smart to trade KP because he's injury prone, and yippee we now have max money to get Kyrie who is also injury prone

People are trying to sugar coat this trade. We gave away a generational talent for a ball hog, two late first round pick (most likely), and cap space for max guys who will find it very troubling to come and join a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.

We at least used to have a plan of multiple players coming into their prime together; now we're doing 2010 version 2.0

Chandler wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:I apparently am in the minority and think this is an awful trade and another sign of FO incompetence of the highest order

1) people talk about fragile KP -- See Joel Embid, Lebron and a host of others who routinely miss extended periods due to wear and tear.
2) He is a young all star with more probability of being a 2-way superstar than anyone we have had in a generation
3) his biggest sin has been in telling the truth. It's hypocritical of some on this board who seemed to applaud him missing PJax exit interview because he thought the team was a mess, and then doing the same thing with his replacement. The truth of the matter is he was right both times. and if anything he showed improved discretion by being less public about it this time (i.e., no bike rides on day of interview)
4) All signs point to an insecure FO who didn't have answers to his complaints and panicked that he would leave the team. If they had the courage of their convictions, they could have showed KP the team was turning around through their superior drafting and player development before he had time to move.
5) Now 90% of the board is completely delusional thinking that somehow pairing a 30 year old KD with a 19 yr old KK, 20 yr old Frank is going to work. That is what has plagued us for years. We at least had a plan of players hitting their prime together. Now we'll be capped out with 2 superstars and a bunch of young-uns and the superstars will grow old too quickly
6) In contrast, look at dallas who now has Barnes 26, KP 23, Luka 19 going on 20. Much better picture (and one we were trying to accomplish)
7) regarding draft picks -- recall the John Wallace year where we had 3 later first rounders? Right, I didn't think so. they will be roster-filler not KPs

I understand that denial is an initial stage of gried, but c'mon man any objective analysis shows our FO is incompetent

I stopped reading right there. When did LeBron routinely miss extended periods of time?

fair enough. perhaps a stretch w LeBron but for the record last year was his first in his whole career where he didn't miss a game

Kyrie routinely hurt and we're begging for him. point is it comes with the territory

To be fair, I still don't understand your point about LeBron. Dude has been rock solid his entire career and you bring up a few games a year here and there that he has missed? What player has even MATCHED that plus all of the playoff games? NO ONE.

Boston traded a LOT of value (at the time) for Kyrie. The Knicks have a chance to get him for free. And we are complaining about that?

You complain about Kyrie being routinely hurt... but KP, what is he? MORE routinely hurt? Back, foot, ACL... what else? And KP has not yet shown, after a full year, that he is back to norm.

You have a good point on Lebron. this year has probably been his only year with "extended" time missed. I was too emotional. Point I was making was that the criticism against KP and injuries is being too hyped in an effort to justify this trade. I call BS on that. There are lots of great players routinely hurt or who have missed extended periods and we'd welcome them in a nanosecond: Kyrie, Kawhi, Paul George, Russ, even Durant

the point about Kyrie is that posters are being hypocritical when they say it was smart to trade KP because he's injury prone, and yippee we now have max money to get Kyrie who is also injury prone

People are trying to sugar coat this trade. We gave away a generational talent for a ball hog, two late first round pick (most likely), and cap space for max guys who will find it very troubling to come and join a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.

We at least used to have a plan of multiple players coming into their prime together; now we're doing 2010 version 2.0

You keep acting like KP has been a top 5 player. You are seduced by the potential but don’t factor in that he has only had one good year and coming off a major injury which might not make him the same again

time of course will tell who is right on this.

Personally I think KP is a phenomenal talent, and this will go down like the Wilt Chamberlain trade (perhaps a bit of a hyperbole, but not much IMO)

I could flip it around and say you are seduced by the potential of cap space, a ball hog, and most likely late first round picks

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:I apparently am in the minority and think this is an awful trade and another sign of FO incompetence of the highest order

1) people talk about fragile KP -- See Joel Embid, Lebron and a host of others who routinely miss extended periods due to wear and tear.
2) He is a young all star with more probability of being a 2-way superstar than anyone we have had in a generation
3) his biggest sin has been in telling the truth. It's hypocritical of some on this board who seemed to applaud him missing PJax exit interview because he thought the team was a mess, and then doing the same thing with his replacement. The truth of the matter is he was right both times. and if anything he showed improved discretion by being less public about it this time (i.e., no bike rides on day of interview)
4) All signs point to an insecure FO who didn't have answers to his complaints and panicked that he would leave the team. If they had the courage of their convictions, they could have showed KP the team was turning around through their superior drafting and player development before he had time to move.
5) Now 90% of the board is completely delusional thinking that somehow pairing a 30 year old KD with a 19 yr old KK, 20 yr old Frank is going to work. That is what has plagued us for years. We at least had a plan of players hitting their prime together. Now we'll be capped out with 2 superstars and a bunch of young-uns and the superstars will grow old too quickly
6) In contrast, look at dallas who now has Barnes 26, KP 23, Luka 19 going on 20. Much better picture (and one we were trying to accomplish)
7) regarding draft picks -- recall the John Wallace year where we had 3 later first rounders? Right, I didn't think so. they will be roster-filler not KPs

I understand that denial is an initial stage of gried, but c'mon man any objective analysis shows our FO is incompetent

I stopped reading right there. When did LeBron routinely miss extended periods of time?

fair enough. perhaps a stretch w LeBron but for the record last year was his first in his whole career where he didn't miss a game

Kyrie routinely hurt and we're begging for him. point is it comes with the territory

To be fair, I still don't understand your point about LeBron. Dude has been rock solid his entire career and you bring up a few games a year here and there that he has missed? What player has even MATCHED that plus all of the playoff games? NO ONE.

Boston traded a LOT of value (at the time) for Kyrie. The Knicks have a chance to get him for free. And we are complaining about that?

You complain about Kyrie being routinely hurt... but KP, what is he? MORE routinely hurt? Back, foot, ACL... what else? And KP has not yet shown, after a full year, that he is back to norm.

You have a good point on Lebron. this year has probably been his only year with "extended" time missed. I was too emotional. Point I was making was that the criticism against KP and injuries is being too hyped in an effort to justify this trade. I call BS on that. There are lots of great players routinely hurt or who have missed extended periods and we'd welcome them in a nanosecond: Kyrie, Kawhi, Paul George, Russ, even Durant

the point about Kyrie is that posters are being hypocritical when they say it was smart to trade KP because he's injury prone, and yippee we now have max money to get Kyrie who is also injury prone

People are trying to sugar coat this trade. We gave away a generational talent for a ball hog, two late first round pick (most likely), and cap space for max guys who will find it very troubling to come and join a bunch of 19 and 20 year olds.

We at least used to have a plan of multiple players coming into their prime together; now we're doing 2010 version 2.0

You keep acting like KP has been a top 5 player. You are seduced by the potential but don’t factor in that he has only had one good year and coming off a major injury which might not make him the same again

I don't think anyone's saying he was a top 5. But we didn't even get top 50 player value for him.

is he top 5, no. Can he be top 5 realistically, absolutely yes with the right system and coach. Guy is 7'3" with brains and touch.