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holfresh
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9/12/2016  1:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2016  1:05 PM
Welpee wrote:
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earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

And that guy who produced that video is laughing his behind off at how gullible folks are. She may indeed be hiding some type of illness, but this video reveals nothing. I guarantee if I recorded hundreds of hours video of you over a 12 month period I could put together a video package to post on youtube to make you appear to have whatever medical narrative I decided on pin on you.

I watched a YouTube video that showed Obama's face in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and connected the shape of Trump Tower to freemasonry.

There are a lot of theories out there. Unfortunately this theory just capitalized on the lack of trust people have for Hillary. But the video is no slam dunk. When someone primes you to see something in the next shot, we tend to see it. It's how cinema editing works on a psychological level. Look up the "Kuleshov effect".

I agree. And you're right, if Hillary were more trustworthy more people would be willing to dismiss it or at least give her the benefit of the doubt.

But aren't you guilty of doing the same thing by saying "if Hillary was more trustworthy"?..She is as trustworthy as any politician that has been in the public arena for 25 years and have fielded constant attacks for the other party trying to frame a narrative of her...
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9/12/2016  1:41 PM
foosballnick wrote:
mreinman wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

unfortunately, I know a lot about parkinsons and the 7:28 mark with the hand position makes me queasy.

Just curious what your experience is with Parkinson's and why you might believe the media hysterics about this. I experienced it up close for over 30 years with my father (who was diagnosed with the disease in his 40s) as well as separately over another 25 year period with my a Great Uncle. I've also performed extensive research into Neuro-Muscular diseases (I'm a biochemist by education and work in Pre-Clinical research in the Pharmaceutical industry). In my completely non-professional opinion and observance of the limited youtube videos Hillary is not exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson's disease.

- Parkinson's disease symptoms are (very) generally stiffness, low/mumbling voice, facial stiffness (think of someone who has problems smiling) and constant tremors (usually shaking) which at first on-set hit the outer extremities (fingers/hands). The tremors are generally constant and not of the Epileptic type shown in the Hillary videos....in my opinion the videos showing Hillary shaking her head during an interview are an over-reaction on her part and not epilepsy nor Parkinson's. For comparison, Muhammad Ali is a public figure who exhibited typical Parkinson's symptoms.

- To the point made on Hillary's hand positions as shown on the youtube speech. Her hand positioning suggested a mild atrophy which might not be consistent with early stage Parkinson's (her hands might be slightly shaking in that case)....as it might for other diseases such as ALS or MS. However pointing to one video as an example of early on-set Neuro-Muscular disease seems extremely curious when there is an infinite number of air time / videos for an extremely visible politician which might suggest otherwise.

- Pneumonia - could suggest a number of things. Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs generally caused by Bacterial Infection or Virus, Fungus or Parasite.

Sorry to hear about your father. If he was able to survive with it for 30 years than it was not as progressive as some of the other more severe forms.

A close family member suffered with parkinson's for many years and I saw it up close and researched it daily. Today, DBS surgery seems to be quite successful if one is a candidate. There are numerous forms of atypical Parkinson's. A common one is PSP which seemed to be in line with some of Hillary's symptoms though that is a very amateur guess.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/12/2016  1:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2016  1:58 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:And the Hussain Obama is used to make to make the point this this current administration bends over backwards to defend everyone around the globe but our fellow Americans. NOT to be racists towards our black President
When are you guys going to give the whole "Hussain" thing a rest? Everybody knows what you're trying to do. It didn't work eight years ago, it didn't work four years ago, it doesn't work now. Cheap shots may make YOU feel good, it turns off people on the fence who could actually be persuaded to joining your side if you weren't so divisive. Think about it (though I'm sure you won't since I'm sure you probably believe being PC is a bad thing).

Who's you guys?ni voted for Obame 4 & 8 years ago

Sure you did. So what's with the "Hussain" act? Why are playing that game with someone you (claim) you supported...twice?

Not playing games. People here keep bringing up the housing discrimination over 40yrs during a time when New York was in shambles. I was also trying to refute the idea that he is racist for calling him Hussain. I find it hard to believe these people actually believed Obama was not an American. The purpose behind it is to make the point that he is more sympathetic to everyone than actual Americans.

I don't have a solid opinion on the matter but you guys can provide your own and decide if you feel Obama does enough to protect America

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9/12/2016  1:49 PM
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:
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earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

Emails that jeopardize our national security?

Which of Hillary's emails actually jeopardized U.S. Security? So far nothing that has been reported has been shown to do that. In Theory it could've happened but there's been nothing brought forth to this point.


That's a great question. Everyone always says the other political party is compromising national security. There has to be some burden of proof to show that this actually happened.

When emails are classified as secret or top secret, by definition they can compromise (national) security. We are talking the Secretary of State. Not a small town Mayor.
She CLEARLY put lives at risk and what this all amounts to as far as overall US security going forward is a bit scary. (The following is months old and the email leaks have gotten worse in that time and more are on the way.)
(Read these in order)
http://observer.com/2015/10/hillarys-email-troubles-are-far-from-over/
http://observer.com/2016/02/breaking-hillary-clinton-put-spies-lives-at-risk/

First of all, the emails found on her server were of the lowest classification, no header on those documents stating classification...3 of 30k were marked with a small (c)..I think the actual number is 36k..But that's .0001% of the emails on her server...

What old and new leaks are you taking about??..The FBI release more emails after the initial batch..I think the FBI director is trying ti screw Hillary but that's just me..The more to come you are referring to, is the hacked emails by Russia of the DNC, which were forwarded to Wikileaks, who claims to have more goods on Hillary...Obama and Hillary were trying to extradite Julian Assange to bring him up on charges...This is payback for Assange with Russia's help..

She broke the law. The FBI's job or the DOJ, is not to show intention, it is just to enforce the law. She broke it.
Regarding more leaks, see here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-says-wikileaks-release-significant-clinton-campaign-data-023226471.html

The FBI has already said that there is no link found between Russia and the leaks. It was Hillary who went down that route. (Tough thing to prove anyway.)

What law did she break???..It is not illegal to have a personal server...It cannot be proved she forwarded the three emails that had the (c) in the body of the email. So what law did she break??..Look it up...

The FBI cannot prove Russia passed the hacked emails to Wikileads...The US government knows that Russia hacked the DNC..And what does Hillary have to do with the DNC being hacked???

It is illegal for government officials to have official emails on a private server.
No, it isn't illegal to have private email on a private server, but that is not the case.

You guys all know about the Freedom of Information Act? Well, Hillary just removed years of emails from those records. Think about that.

So you decided "NOT" to look it up...Well there happens to be precedence..

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law

What's more, the Supreme Court held that the Kissinger documents did not have to be turned over under FOIA — even though they were notes taken while Kissinger was at State — because State did not have possession of them.

Then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist, writing for the majority in 1980:

"We hold today that, even if a document requested under the FOIA is wrongfully in the possession of a party not an 'agency,' the agency which received the request does not 'improperly withhold' those materials by its refusal to institute a retrieval action. When an agency has demonstrated that it has not 'withheld'requested records in violation of the standards established by Congress, the federal courts have no authority to order the production of such records under the FOIA."

Laws were update in 2014 and sign by Obama, after Hillary left the State Department...

That is besides the point. My mentioning of the FOIA is on top of the real problem - breaking the law.
Anyway, it wrong for a government official to essentially remove from records something that will in time belong to the public - law or no law.

ps - I would really not use the War Mongerer Kissinger in any points you would like to prove.

Are you now claiming that you know these records were removed by her and not sent to her??..Are you also claiming the origin of these "classified" emails were from State Department or another governmental database with classified restrictions and not drawn up by another person on another private server??


It is very clear she wanted that private server. They gave the man responsible immunity.

I'm saying she is one of the most corrupt people in a field full of corruption.
I'm saying she is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people because of Libya.

Basically, I'm saying I fear for my family and the rest of the world if she ever gets in the White House. She wants war with Iran and probably then Russia.

Watch those two short clips of the video and tell me she is not sick.

I just looked at the clips at the times indicated in the thread...One question, do you notice the times of her supposed Parkinson display that there are stimuli involved..For example, she certainly looked awkward doing it but the narrator is doing a voice over the video but she was asked if she was sick and she was responding to the question with an awkward gesture...Awkward and with no grace I do concede, but Parkinson's is a reach...Wouldn't you have more of a case if it was in mid-sentence with no apparent reaction to any stimulus??..The other time was when the balloons fell, she reacted with surprise and yes awkwardly...My conclusion is she is awkward and I won't ask her to dance at a ball should we ever meet....

She displays a lot of symptoms though, not just those two clips. I feel bad for the lady personally, even though I don't want her as president.
Yeah, there is stimuli involved but if you can look at her reaction, especially when talking to the news reporter, I honestly don't know what to say to you.
I certainly don't want her functioning in any important position up in government - just based on her health (more so on her personally.)

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9/12/2016  1:53 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Welpee wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:And the Hussain Obama is used to make to make the point this this current administration bends over backwards to defend everyone around the globe but our fellow Americans. NOT to be racists towards our black President
When are you guys going to give the whole "Hussain" thing a rest? Everybody knows what you're trying to do. It didn't work eight years ago, it didn't work four years ago, it doesn't work now. Cheap shots may make YOU feel good, it turns off people on the fence who could actually be persuaded to joining your side if you weren't so divisive. Think about it (though I'm sure you won't since I'm sure you probably believe being PC is a bad thing).

Who's you guys?ni voted for Obame 4 & 8 years ago

Yea but you are defending the use of the terms as some point about his lack of love for the USA. So defend it or agree it's wack... which is it?

I don't quite follow. I hope the above answers your question. Regardless I would never vote for Hillary because the other candidate may have said one thing I wholeheartedly disagree with. It would take a lot more than simply not calling the President by his name.

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9/12/2016  1:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2016  2:00 PM
Can she do the job if it is PSP or one of the lesser forms of Parkinson's?
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9/12/2016  2:00 PM
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
blkexec wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

Emails that jeopardize our national security?

Which of Hillary's emails actually jeopardized U.S. Security? So far nothing that has been reported has been shown to do that. In Theory it could've happened but there's been nothing brought forth to this point.


That's a great question. Everyone always says the other political party is compromising national security. There has to be some burden of proof to show that this actually happened.

When emails are classified as secret or top secret, by definition they can compromise (national) security. We are talking the Secretary of State. Not a small town Mayor.
She CLEARLY put lives at risk and what this all amounts to as far as overall US security going forward is a bit scary. (The following is months old and the email leaks have gotten worse in that time and more are on the way.)
(Read these in order)
http://observer.com/2015/10/hillarys-email-troubles-are-far-from-over/
http://observer.com/2016/02/breaking-hillary-clinton-put-spies-lives-at-risk/

First of all, the emails found on her server were of the lowest classification, no header on those documents stating classification...3 of 30k were marked with a small (c)..I think the actual number is 36k..But that's .0001% of the emails on her server...

What old and new leaks are you taking about??..The FBI release more emails after the initial batch..I think the FBI director is trying ti screw Hillary but that's just me..The more to come you are referring to, is the hacked emails by Russia of the DNC, which were forwarded to Wikileaks, who claims to have more goods on Hillary...Obama and Hillary were trying to extradite Julian Assange to bring him up on charges...This is payback for Assange with Russia's help..

She broke the law. The FBI's job or the DOJ, is not to show intention, it is just to enforce the law. She broke it.
Regarding more leaks, see here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-says-wikileaks-release-significant-clinton-campaign-data-023226471.html

The FBI has already said that there is no link found between Russia and the leaks. It was Hillary who went down that route. (Tough thing to prove anyway.)

What law did she break???..It is not illegal to have a personal server...It cannot be proved she forwarded the three emails that had the (c) in the body of the email. So what law did she break??..Look it up...

The FBI cannot prove Russia passed the hacked emails to Wikileads...The US government knows that Russia hacked the DNC..And what does Hillary have to do with the DNC being hacked???

It is illegal for government officials to have official emails on a private server.
No, it isn't illegal to have private email on a private server, but that is not the case.

You guys all know about the Freedom of Information Act? Well, Hillary just removed years of emails from those records. Think about that.

So you decided "NOT" to look it up...Well there happens to be precedence..

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law

What's more, the Supreme Court held that the Kissinger documents did not have to be turned over under FOIA — even though they were notes taken while Kissinger was at State — because State did not have possession of them.

Then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist, writing for the majority in 1980:

"We hold today that, even if a document requested under the FOIA is wrongfully in the possession of a party not an 'agency,' the agency which received the request does not 'improperly withhold' those materials by its refusal to institute a retrieval action. When an agency has demonstrated that it has not 'withheld'requested records in violation of the standards established by Congress, the federal courts have no authority to order the production of such records under the FOIA."

Laws were update in 2014 and sign by Obama, after Hillary left the State Department...

That is besides the point. My mentioning of the FOIA is on top of the real problem - breaking the law.
Anyway, it wrong for a government official to essentially remove from records something that will in time belong to the public - law or no law.

ps - I would really not use the War Mongerer Kissinger in any points you would like to prove.

Are you now claiming that you know these records were removed by her and not sent to her??..Are you also claiming the origin of these "classified" emails were from State Department or another governmental database with classified restrictions and not drawn up by another person on another private server??


It is very clear she wanted that private server. They gave the man responsible immunity.

I'm saying she is one of the most corrupt people in a field full of corruption.
I'm saying she is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people because of Libya.

Basically, I'm saying I fear for my family and the rest of the world if she ever gets in the White House. She wants war with Iran and probably then Russia.

Watch those two short clips of the video and tell me she is not sick.

I know that sounds very apocalyptic and the world will come to an end if Hillary is elected. Every four years somebody claims they're leaving the country if _____ is elected president. However, we have had people in the white house FAR more corrupt than Hillary (both republican and democrat) and we somehow managed to survive. The only reason Trump's corruption hasn't been as consequential is because he hasn't been in public office. Does anyone in their right mind think Trump is going to be less corrupt than anyone who has ever run for public office?

I really don't think Trump would want war. He wants to be remembered for turning America around.
In simple English, he is not a part of the club. Hillary and hubby are an integral part of it.

Hillary has had a few thousand show up for her talks (and the media with their clever camera angles try to distort things) - Trump has had 10's of thousands.
I really think the race isn't close. The establishment, at all costs, wants her in there.

But to answer your question - Yes, he will be MUCH less corrupt, cause he wants to turn the country around - he wants that legacy. He is very egoistic, but not a cold hearted killer.
Hillary wants to be president for "the club". She could care less about America, or people anywhere, for that matter. (e.g. Hillary going against military commanders and going in Libya.)
Last thing I want is for a president with that kind of pull - going against military advisors.

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9/12/2016  2:00 PM
The spin machine rolls on:

“At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook,” according to the source. “Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment,” the source explained. “One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton’s diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration.”

This is the crap I hate about all politicians. The worst liars out there.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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9/12/2016  2:03 PM
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

And that guy who produced that video is laughing his behind off at how gullible folks are. She may indeed be hiding some type of illness, but this video reveals nothing. I guarantee if I recorded hundreds of hours video of you over a 12 month period I could put together a video package to post on youtube to make you appear to have whatever medical narrative I decided on pin on you.

Are your serious? I've never seen anyone (not drunk) act like that, especially holding public office. Whether it is Parkinsons or some other Neurological disease.
If you can watch that video and think all is ok, I'm speechless. I wouldn't want someone displaying that behavior watching my kids, much less running the country.

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9/12/2016  2:23 PM
mreinman wrote:The spin machine rolls on:

“At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook,” according to the source. “Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment,” the source explained. “One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton’s diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration.”

This is the crap I hate about all politicians. The worst liars out there.

If it works and she wins and it comes out after the fact that she is indeed sick Tim Kaine becomes our President. I'm sure the establishment prefers that scenario over Bernie who they fear immensely because his intentions go against everything they are about. Their worst nightmare is Hullary being forced to to step down for medical reasons and the runner up Democratic candidate takes her place. H will win despite his age and not appearing to look very Presidential. The hate for Trump is that strong

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9/12/2016  2:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2016  2:28 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
blkexec wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:Assange: Next Release Of 100,000 Clinton Docs Will Finish Hillary
http://yournewswire.com/assange-next-release-of-100000-clinton-docs-will-finish-hillary/

small quote:

We have tens of thousands, possibly as many as a hundred thousand, pages of documents of different types, related to the operations that Hillary Clinton is associated with, the WikiLeaks founder said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity.

There are some, several … in response to the DNC publications, a lot of people have been inspired by the impact, and so they have stepped forward with additional material.

Good to hear that more people are coming forward.

So for the Trump supporters.....Are Clinton supporters suppose to believe that Trump doesn't have a similar crooked email traffic? We are talking about a guy who refuses to release his taxes. Just think for a second, if Trump released his taxes...and the Govt released his deleted emails, will Trump supporters still follow? Yes.....Because it's deepers than Hillary's emails.

Emails that jeopardize our national security?

Which of Hillary's emails actually jeopardized U.S. Security? So far nothing that has been reported has been shown to do that. In Theory it could've happened but there's been nothing brought forth to this point.


That's a great question. Everyone always says the other political party is compromising national security. There has to be some burden of proof to show that this actually happened.

When emails are classified as secret or top secret, by definition they can compromise (national) security. We are talking the Secretary of State. Not a small town Mayor.
She CLEARLY put lives at risk and what this all amounts to as far as overall US security going forward is a bit scary. (The following is months old and the email leaks have gotten worse in that time and more are on the way.)
(Read these in order)
http://observer.com/2015/10/hillarys-email-troubles-are-far-from-over/
http://observer.com/2016/02/breaking-hillary-clinton-put-spies-lives-at-risk/

First of all, the emails found on her server were of the lowest classification, no header on those documents stating classification...3 of 30k were marked with a small (c)..I think the actual number is 36k..But that's .0001% of the emails on her server...

What old and new leaks are you taking about??..The FBI release more emails after the initial batch..I think the FBI director is trying ti screw Hillary but that's just me..The more to come you are referring to, is the hacked emails by Russia of the DNC, which were forwarded to Wikileaks, who claims to have more goods on Hillary...Obama and Hillary were trying to extradite Julian Assange to bring him up on charges...This is payback for Assange with Russia's help..

She broke the law. The FBI's job or the DOJ, is not to show intention, it is just to enforce the law. She broke it.
Regarding more leaks, see here: https://www.yahoo.com/news/assange-says-wikileaks-release-significant-clinton-campaign-data-023226471.html

The FBI has already said that there is no link found between Russia and the leaks. It was Hillary who went down that route. (Tough thing to prove anyway.)

What law did she break???..It is not illegal to have a personal server...It cannot be proved she forwarded the three emails that had the (c) in the body of the email. So what law did she break??..Look it up...

The FBI cannot prove Russia passed the hacked emails to Wikileads...The US government knows that Russia hacked the DNC..And what does Hillary have to do with the DNC being hacked???

It is illegal for government officials to have official emails on a private server.
No, it isn't illegal to have private email on a private server, but that is not the case.

You guys all know about the Freedom of Information Act? Well, Hillary just removed years of emails from those records. Think about that.

So you decided "NOT" to look it up...Well there happens to be precedence..

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/02/396823014/fact-check-hillary-clinton-those-emails-and-the-law

What's more, the Supreme Court held that the Kissinger documents did not have to be turned over under FOIA — even though they were notes taken while Kissinger was at State — because State did not have possession of them.

Then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist, writing for the majority in 1980:

"We hold today that, even if a document requested under the FOIA is wrongfully in the possession of a party not an 'agency,' the agency which received the request does not 'improperly withhold' those materials by its refusal to institute a retrieval action. When an agency has demonstrated that it has not 'withheld'requested records in violation of the standards established by Congress, the federal courts have no authority to order the production of such records under the FOIA."

Laws were update in 2014 and sign by Obama, after Hillary left the State Department...

That is besides the point. My mentioning of the FOIA is on top of the real problem - breaking the law.
Anyway, it wrong for a government official to essentially remove from records something that will in time belong to the public - law or no law.

ps - I would really not use the War Mongerer Kissinger in any points you would like to prove.

Are you now claiming that you know these records were removed by her and not sent to her??..Are you also claiming the origin of these "classified" emails were from State Department or another governmental database with classified restrictions and not drawn up by another person on another private server??


It is very clear she wanted that private server. They gave the man responsible immunity.

I'm saying she is one of the most corrupt people in a field full of corruption.
I'm saying she is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people because of Libya.

Basically, I'm saying I fear for my family and the rest of the world if she ever gets in the White House. She wants war with Iran and probably then Russia.

Watch those two short clips of the video and tell me she is not sick.

I know that sounds very apocalyptic and the world will come to an end if Hillary is elected. Every four years somebody claims they're leaving the country if _____ is elected president. However, we have had people in the white house FAR more corrupt than Hillary (both republican and democrat) and we somehow managed to survive. The only reason Trump's corruption hasn't been as consequential is because he hasn't been in public office. Does anyone in their right mind think Trump is going to be less corrupt than anyone who has ever run for public office?

[i]I really don't think Trump would want war.[/i] He wants to be remembered for turning America around.
In simple English, he is not a part of the club. Hillary and hubby are an integral part of it.

Hillary has had a few thousand show up for her talks (and the media with their clever camera angles try to distort things) - Trump has had 10's of thousands.
I really think the race isn't close. The establishment, at all costs, wants her in there.

But to answer your question - Yes, he will be MUCH less corrupt, cause he wants to turn the country around - he wants that legacy. He is very egoistic, but not a cold hearted killer.
Hillary wants to be president for "the club". She could care less about America, or people anywhere, for that matter. (e.g. Hillary going against military commanders and going in Libya.)
Last thing I want is for a president with that kind of pull - going against military advisors.


Trump and one of his generals said he will put boots on the ground to fight ISIS, so that means troops back in Iraq...Trump said he supported intervention in Libya in 2011 before he flipped flopped, Trump didn't want the Iran nuclear deal which meant war..He would have certainly agreed with Isreal...That's 3 theaters of war in the Middle East..
B
And please tell me he wouldn't have something to say about Syria??
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9/12/2016  2:29 PM
holfresh wrote:
Welpee wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

And that guy who produced that video is laughing his behind off at how gullible folks are. She may indeed be hiding some type of illness, but this video reveals nothing. I guarantee if I recorded hundreds of hours video of you over a 12 month period I could put together a video package to post on youtube to make you appear to have whatever medical narrative I decided on pin on you.

I watched a YouTube video that showed Obama's face in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs and connected the shape of Trump Tower to freemasonry.

There are a lot of theories out there. Unfortunately this theory just capitalized on the lack of trust people have for Hillary. But the video is no slam dunk. When someone primes you to see something in the next shot, we tend to see it. It's how cinema editing works on a psychological level. Look up the "Kuleshov effect".

I agree. And you're right, if Hillary were more trustworthy more people would be willing to dismiss it or at least give her the benefit of the doubt.

But aren't you guilty of doing the same thing by saying "if Hillary was more trustworthy"?..She is as trustworthy as any politician that has been in the public arena for 25 years and have fielded constant attacks for the other party trying to frame a narrative of her...
I don't understand your point. At some point you have to ask yourself why is she involved in so may scandals? It can't all just be a right wing witch hunt. This isn't a court of law where you're innocent until proven guilty. I think people are smart enough to discern legit controversy from invented controversies like what they were trying to throw at Obama (i.e. Rev. Wright, Ayers, birther, etc.). I think people believe, whether there was enough to find her guilty or not, these controversies involving her have some legitimacy to them on some level. Can't just dismiss it.
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9/12/2016  2:32 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Welpee wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

And that guy who produced that video is laughing his behind off at how gullible folks are. She may indeed be hiding some type of illness, but this video reveals nothing. I guarantee if I recorded hundreds of hours video of you over a 12 month period I could put together a video package to post on youtube to make you appear to have whatever medical narrative I decided on pin on you.

Are your serious? I've never seen anyone (not drunk) act like that, especially holding public office. Whether it is Parkinsons or some other Neurological disease.
If you can watch that video and think all is ok, I'm speechless. I wouldn't want someone displaying that behavior watching my kids, much less running the country.

Again, give me 100 hours of video of you just living your life and I'll produce a similarly convincing video.
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9/12/2016  2:32 PM
foosballnick wrote:
mreinman wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

unfortunately, I know a lot about parkinsons and the 7:28 mark with the hand position makes me queasy.

Just curious what your experience is with Parkinson's and why you might believe the media hysterics about this. I experienced it up close for over 30 years with my father (who was diagnosed with the disease in his 40s) as well as separately over another 25 year period with my a Great Uncle. I've also performed extensive research into Neuro-Muscular diseases (I'm a biochemist by education and work in Pre-Clinical research in the Pharmaceutical industry). In my completely non-professional opinion and observance of the limited youtube videos Hillary is not exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson's disease.

- Parkinson's disease symptoms are (very) generally stiffness, low/mumbling voice, facial stiffness (think of someone who has problems smiling) and constant tremors (usually shaking) which at first on-set hit the outer extremities (fingers/hands). The tremors are generally constant and not of the Epileptic type shown in the Hillary videos....in my opinion the videos showing Hillary shaking her head during an interview are an over-reaction on her part and not epilepsy nor Parkinson's. For comparison, Muhammad Ali is a public figure who exhibited typical Parkinson's symptoms.

- To the point made on Hillary's hand positions as shown on the youtube speech. Her hand positioning suggested a mild atrophy which might not be consistent with early stage Parkinson's (her hands might be slightly shaking in that case)....as it might for other diseases such as ALS or MS. However pointing to one video as an example of early on-set Neuro-Muscular disease seems extremely curious when there is an infinite number of air time / videos for an extremely visible politician which might suggest otherwise.

- Pneumonia - could suggest a number of things. Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs generally caused by Bacterial Infection or Virus, Fungus or Parasite.

Regarding Hillary's illnesses:
I have to commend Hillary for the incredible physical and mental strength she has shown, and even more so with all the illnesses that everyone thinks she has. She has been campaigning full-time for over a year; constant travelling; answering questions from reporters and citizens; meetings; interviews; numerous accusations and scrutiny; debates; etc. It is a gruesome schedule, especially for someone who turns 69 yrs old next month. So I don't find fault with her for displaying some health issues. And if she is on medication for pneumonia, that in itself can tire a person and make one more sensitive to the sun and heat and be a cause for her being unwell while standing outside at the 9/11 ceremonies.

Assorted antibiotics, sulfa drugs, cold and allergy medicines and pain killers are among the medications that can make people more vulnerable to sun and heat.
http://www.lhsfna.org/index.cfm/lifelines/august-2012/medications-can-make-you-more-sun-and-heat-sensitive/

To be on the record though, I would rather have seen, or possibly still see, either Biden or Bernie or even Elizabeth Warren as the Democratic candidate. Anyone who can/will defeat Trump. And if Hillary is still the candidate come election day, I will vote for her.

P.S. To give some props to the other candidate's and their physical stamina - Trump just turned 70; Bernie recently turned 75; Biden will be 74 in November. They all have very strong constitutions, IMO.

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9/12/2016  2:34 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Welpee wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Welpee wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:And the Hussain Obama is used to make to make the point this this current administration bends over backwards to defend everyone around the globe but our fellow Americans. NOT to be racists towards our black President
When are you guys going to give the whole "Hussain" thing a rest? Everybody knows what you're trying to do. It didn't work eight years ago, it didn't work four years ago, it doesn't work now. Cheap shots may make YOU feel good, it turns off people on the fence who could actually be persuaded to joining your side if you weren't so divisive. Think about it (though I'm sure you won't since I'm sure you probably believe being PC is a bad thing).

Who's you guys?ni voted for Obame 4 & 8 years ago

Sure you did. So what's with the "Hussain" act? Why are playing that game with someone you (claim) you supported...twice?

Not playing games. People here keep bringing up the housing discrimination over 40yrs during a time when New York was in shambles. I was also trying to refute the idea that he is racist for calling him Hussain. I find it hard to believe these people actually believed Obama was not an American. The purpose behind it is to make the point that he is more sympathetic to everyone than actual Americans.

I don't have a solid opinion on the matter but you guys can provide your own and decide if you feel Obama does enough to protect America

"I was also trying to refute the idea that he is racist for calling him Hussain." That makes absolutely no sense.
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9/12/2016  2:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/12/2016  2:43 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I don't quite follow. I hope the above answers your question. Regardless I would never vote for Hillary because the other candidate may have said one thing I wholeheartedly disagree with. It would take a lot more than simply not calling the President by his name.

OK. Below is the entirety of your post I questioned, you do remember writing this, right?

gunsnewing wrote:And the Hussain Obama is used to make to make the point this this current administration bends over backwards to defend everyone around the globe but our fellow Americans. NOT to be racists towards our black President

I agreed that the Middle Name Game is not necessarily racist, but it is certainly xenophobic dogwhistling of the anti-Islamic, anti-Arabic variety and alludes to Saddam Hussein. So if one sees a news article leaning on that — which I didn't see nor brought up — one has a right to suspect the journalistic integrity.

You justify the use of "Hussain (sic) Obama ... to make the point that this current administration bends over backwards to defend everyone around the globe but our fellow Americans".

And you then say "The purpose behind it is to make the point that he is more sympathetic to everyone than actual Americans."

But then say "I don't have a solid opinion on the matter but you guys can provide your own and decide if you feel Obama does enough to protect America"

"Enough to protect America" is evaluating his policy and performance, which is fair. "Bending over backwards to defend everyone around the globe but our fellow Americans" and "he is more sympathetic to everyone than actual Americans" is hyperbole and dishonest. It is by definition an opinion unless you can read his mind.

And you are dishonest by saying you don't have an opinion either way when you felt you had to defend it.

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9/12/2016  2:40 PM
Markji wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
mreinman wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

unfortunately, I know a lot about parkinsons and the 7:28 mark with the hand position makes me queasy.

Just curious what your experience is with Parkinson's and why you might believe the media hysterics about this. I experienced it up close for over 30 years with my father (who was diagnosed with the disease in his 40s) as well as separately over another 25 year period with my a Great Uncle. I've also performed extensive research into Neuro-Muscular diseases (I'm a biochemist by education and work in Pre-Clinical research in the Pharmaceutical industry). In my completely non-professional opinion and observance of the limited youtube videos Hillary is not exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson's disease.

- Parkinson's disease symptoms are (very) generally stiffness, low/mumbling voice, facial stiffness (think of someone who has problems smiling) and constant tremors (usually shaking) which at first on-set hit the outer extremities (fingers/hands). The tremors are generally constant and not of the Epileptic type shown in the Hillary videos....in my opinion the videos showing Hillary shaking her head during an interview are an over-reaction on her part and not epilepsy nor Parkinson's. For comparison, Muhammad Ali is a public figure who exhibited typical Parkinson's symptoms.

- To the point made on Hillary's hand positions as shown on the youtube speech. Her hand positioning suggested a mild atrophy which might not be consistent with early stage Parkinson's (her hands might be slightly shaking in that case)....as it might for other diseases such as ALS or MS. However pointing to one video as an example of early on-set Neuro-Muscular disease seems extremely curious when there is an infinite number of air time / videos for an extremely visible politician which might suggest otherwise.

- Pneumonia - could suggest a number of things. Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs generally caused by Bacterial Infection or Virus, Fungus or Parasite.

Regarding Hillary's illnesses:
I have to commend Hillary for the incredible physical and mental strength she has shown, and even more so with all the illnesses that everyone thinks she has. She has been campaigning full-time for over a year; constant travelling; answering questions from reporters and citizens; meetings; interviews; numerous accusations and scrutiny; debates; etc. It is a gruesome schedule, especially for someone who turns 69 yrs old next month. So I don't find fault with her for displaying some health issues. And if she is on medication for pneumonia, that in itself can tire a person and make one more sensitive to the sun and heat and be a cause for her being unwell while standing outside at the 9/11 ceremonies.

Assorted antibiotics, sulfa drugs, cold and allergy medicines and pain killers are among the medications that can make people more vulnerable to sun and heat.
http://www.lhsfna.org/index.cfm/lifelines/august-2012/medications-can-make-you-more-sun-and-heat-sensitive/

To be on the record though, I would rather have seen, or possibly still see, either Biden or Bernie or even Elizabeth Warren as the Democratic candidate. Anyone who can/will defeat Trump. And if Hillary is still the candidate come election day, I will vote for her.

P.S. To give some props to the other candidate's and their physical stamina - Trump just turned 70; Bernie recently turned 75; Biden will be 74 in November. They all have very strong constitutions, IMO.

It's honorable for sure but she is running for President not a $10 an our desk job. I just America realizes the importance of a Presidential election. It's more than just a news media reality show for ratings

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mreinman wrote:The spin machine rolls on:

“At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook,” according to the source. “Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment,” the source explained. “One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton’s diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration.”

This is the crap I hate about all politicians. The worst liars out there.

You do realize that it's easy to check on whether someone was admitted to an ER or was taken by Ambulance somewhere? If they did in fact get sick there would be some kind of record of this and so I don't think someone would just make it up knowing how hard reporters would check on this. We'll know eventually if it was a lie cuz it always comes out. Besides getting an upper respiratory infection is one sure way to get Pneumonia if you're older. So it's perfectly logical that she could've caught something from a staff member.

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9/12/2016  2:48 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Markji wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
mreinman wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
holfresh wrote:Clinton diagnosed with pneumonia(on Friday)..

And what about all the other Parkinsons like behavior? Was that the Pneumonia coming on for a few months?
They will cover this up until they can no longer do so.(Business as usual)


I have seen doctors physically examine a patient and make the wrong diagnosis, much less some guy making an assessment on the internet...

You don't need a doctor for this, use your own eyes. Tell me what you think.
Real simple guys - forward and watch at 7:42 and 9:57. The lady clearly has either Parkinsons or some form of epilepsy.

unfortunately, I know a lot about parkinsons and the 7:28 mark with the hand position makes me queasy.

Just curious what your experience is with Parkinson's and why you might believe the media hysterics about this. I experienced it up close for over 30 years with my father (who was diagnosed with the disease in his 40s) as well as separately over another 25 year period with my a Great Uncle. I've also performed extensive research into Neuro-Muscular diseases (I'm a biochemist by education and work in Pre-Clinical research in the Pharmaceutical industry). In my completely non-professional opinion and observance of the limited youtube videos Hillary is not exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson's disease.

- Parkinson's disease symptoms are (very) generally stiffness, low/mumbling voice, facial stiffness (think of someone who has problems smiling) and constant tremors (usually shaking) which at first on-set hit the outer extremities (fingers/hands). The tremors are generally constant and not of the Epileptic type shown in the Hillary videos....in my opinion the videos showing Hillary shaking her head during an interview are an over-reaction on her part and not epilepsy nor Parkinson's. For comparison, Muhammad Ali is a public figure who exhibited typical Parkinson's symptoms.

- To the point made on Hillary's hand positions as shown on the youtube speech. Her hand positioning suggested a mild atrophy which might not be consistent with early stage Parkinson's (her hands might be slightly shaking in that case)....as it might for other diseases such as ALS or MS. However pointing to one video as an example of early on-set Neuro-Muscular disease seems extremely curious when there is an infinite number of air time / videos for an extremely visible politician which might suggest otherwise.

- Pneumonia - could suggest a number of things. Pneumonia is an infection of the lungs generally caused by Bacterial Infection or Virus, Fungus or Parasite.

Regarding Hillary's illnesses:
I have to commend Hillary for the incredible physical and mental strength she has shown, and even more so with all the illnesses that everyone thinks she has. She has been campaigning full-time for over a year; constant travelling; answering questions from reporters and citizens; meetings; interviews; numerous accusations and scrutiny; debates; etc. It is a gruesome schedule, especially for someone who turns 69 yrs old next month. So I don't find fault with her for displaying some health issues. And if she is on medication for pneumonia, that in itself can tire a person and make one more sensitive to the sun and heat and be a cause for her being unwell while standing outside at the 9/11 ceremonies.

Assorted antibiotics, sulfa drugs, cold and allergy medicines and pain killers are among the medications that can make people more vulnerable to sun and heat.
http://www.lhsfna.org/index.cfm/lifelines/august-2012/medications-can-make-you-more-sun-and-heat-sensitive/

To be on the record though, I would rather have seen, or possibly still see, either Biden or Bernie or even Elizabeth Warren as the Democratic candidate. Anyone who can/will defeat Trump. And if Hillary is still the candidate come election day, I will vote for her.

P.S. To give some props to the other candidate's and their physical stamina - Trump just turned 70; Bernie recently turned 75; Biden will be 74 in November. They all have very strong constitutions, IMO.

It's honorable for sure but she is running for President not a $10 an our desk job. I just America realizes the importance of a Presidential election. It's more than just a news media reality show for ratings


Your reference to "It's more than just a news media reality show for ratings" must be referring to Trump who has run his campaign as a political reality TV show.

I agree with some of yours and others statements on Hillary - that there is a lot to dislike or question about her. She is not my first or even 2nd choice for President. But in a 2 person race she is far superior to Trump. And so is Tim Kane if for some reason, he has to take over the presidency.

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9/12/2016  2:51 PM
nixluva wrote:
mreinman wrote:The spin machine rolls on:

“At least half a dozen senior staff were felled, including campaign manager Robby Mook,” according to the source. “Two top advisers even needed emergency medical treatment,” the source explained. “One top adviser diagnosed at a Brooklyn urgent-care center with a respiratory infection was being treated with antibiotics in the days before Clinton’s diagnosis. Another top adviser was taken by ambulance to the ER after collapsing from what turned out to be severe dehydration.”

This is the crap I hate about all politicians. The worst liars out there.

You do realize that it's easy to check on whether someone was admitted to an ER or was taken by Ambulance somewhere? If they did in fact get sick there would be some kind of record of this and so I don't think someone would just make it up knowing how hard reporters would check on this. We'll know eventually if it was a lie cuz it always comes out. Besides getting an upper respiratory infection is one sure way to get Pneumonia if you're older. So it's perfectly logical that she could've caught something from a staff member.

No. Its not easy to find out ... you don't know what you are talking about. If they don't want this info out there, it won't be out there.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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