holfresh wrote:The Heat is going to be the team to beat the next 4/5 years..We have 5 guys who can play against the Heat..Melo,STAT,Chandler, Shump and JR..No one else we have can stand up to the Heat..Blame the coach all you want for not running enough screens for Novak..It's pointless resigning those scrubs..Good Night!!

disagree
Heat is or best chance to win its this year

however claiming this fragile durability team is team to beat next 4/5 years is absurd. Their window will close after the end of next
NBA season 2013/2014

This Heat team is fine now but they ain't that good!
this may go down as one of worst NBA teams to ever win NBA title despite what I feel about Miami.
They are very good defensively got 2 potential sure shot HOF guys whom will go to NBA HOF

However they shoot like crap, they are inconsistent defensively,
they have NO bench whatsoever

They have a great coach but they better win their NBA Title now. They also got no real front line.
They have 2 great players 1 very good guy in Bosh. And their are no young draftees being developed in Miami.

JamesKPolk wrote:

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CrushAlot wrote:

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IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Classic..Blame Woodson for a loss when we are down three starters against a team that will probably win the Championship ...Way to go guys..

Agreed Holfresh. I mean i blame our team more because they put themselves in this situation. They let many easy games get away that cost them a higher seed

Everybody blamed MDA when they were losing and Dolan gutted the whole roster.

the difference is he lost at an incredible rate again this year with this team. Woodson has won a lot of games and prior to facing the Heat with a depleted roster his record was stellar.

We will never know if things would have come together under MDA. They were obviously broken. But he could have gotten us the 8th seed and Chicago. Then again nobody knew Rose would go down.

I am surprised the Knicks didn't try to get the 8th seed to avoid Miami - they are defending ECF Champs.

Knicks had lost 6 straight when he resigned. I don't think there is much doubt that the Knicks would not have made the playoffs if he stayed. The Knicks lost to the freakin Heat. There is no way the Knicks go 17-7 to beat out Milwaukee if D'Anto stayed in my opinion.

If the diva brought in, we would have not only made the playoffs but maybe win a game or two.

What were you going to buy into. Having Fields jack up shots, Baron. MDA's system got swept last year too.

So I guess we're seeing coaching is not the real problem then...

CrushAlot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Vmart wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Classic..Blame Woodson for a loss when we are down three starters against a team that will probably win the Championship ...Way to go guys..

Agreed Holfresh. I mean i blame our team more because they put themselves in this situation. They let many easy games get away that cost them a higher seed

Everybody blamed MDA when they were losing and Dolan gutted the whole roster.

the difference is he lost at an incredible rate again this year with this team. Woodson has won a lot of games and prior to facing the Heat with a depleted roster his record was stellar.

We will never know if things would have come together under MDA. They were obviously broken. But he could have gotten us the 8th seed and Chicago. Then again nobody knew Rose would go down.

I am surprised the Knicks didn't try to get the 8th seed to avoid Miami - they are defending ECF Champs.

Knicks had lost 6 straight when he resigned. I don't think there is much doubt that the Knicks would not have made the playoffs if he stayed. The Knicks lost to the freakin Heat. There is no way the Knicks go 17-7 to beat out Milwaukee if D'Anto stayed in my opinion.

If the diva brought in, we would have not only made the playoffs but maybe win a game or two.

What were you going to buy into. Having Fields jack up shots, Baron. MDA's system got swept last year too.

So I guess we're seeing coaching is not the real problem then...

I think it was the problem when the team was 18-24 and headed for the lottery. I think down three starters against the heat you can't make any mistakes. I haven't looked at the boxscore but the knicks missed a ton of free throws and had at least 4 defensive three seconds called against them.

Woodson is not a good coach.

MinsHeartsReezy wrote:Again, I haven't seen the game... but from what I've read here it seems like there was a lot of Melo watching going on in the 2nd half. When has this team EVER won when they just stood around and watched melo???? I think if you're gonna be coach of this team, you need to be a strong enough personality to be able to reel in your players, esp your stars. If they aren't going to play the right way and share the damn ball, it doesn't matter if they play the Heat or the Bobcats, they won't win.

And before everyone starts going off on Novak's lack of production..think about this. HE HAD A TOTAL OF 7 FGA OVER 3 GAMES.
If he was ever going to have an impact on this series, he needs to be made a priority. If you're not going to run plays for him & set screens to try and get him free, you might as well sit him. If its gonna be all iso, then there's no ball movement and no chance he's gonna get free. Moreover, he's ineffective as a decoy if the game plan is all Melo all the time. I don't even need to watch the game to see that.

I think you should watch the game before you make an extended comment. The Heat played smothering defense, but hey, its a knicks board and we never give credit to the opposition.

Solace wrote:Here is the Knicks sole offensive strategy:

This must change.

Don't believe me? I searched for "isolation basketball" and this is one of the top images that pop up. Fuck the Knicks.

we need a coach that will put an end to iso melo... melo needs to transform his game similar to that of pierce... these things must happen if we are to even talk about being good...

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MinsHeartsReezy wrote:Again, I haven't seen the game... but from what I've read here it seems like there was a lot of Melo watching going on in the 2nd half. When has this team EVER won when they just stood around and watched melo???? I think if you're gonna be coach of this team, you need to be a strong enough personality to be able to reel in your players, esp your stars. If they aren't going to play the right way and share the damn ball, it doesn't matter if they play the Heat or the Bobcats, they won't win.

And before everyone starts going off on Novak's lack of production..think about this. HE HAD A TOTAL OF 7 FGA OVER 3 GAMES.
If he was ever going to have an impact on this series, he needs to be made a priority. If you're not going to run plays for him & set screens to try and get him free, you might as well sit him. If its gonna be all iso, then there's no ball movement and no chance he's gonna get free. Moreover, he's ineffective as a decoy if the game plan is all Melo all the time. I don't even need to watch the game to see that.

I think you should watch the game before you make an extended comment. The Heat played smothering defense, but hey, its a knicks board and we never give credit to the opposition.

Well, I've seen the last two that ended in losses, and don't forget all the losses to the Heat during the regular season. I think that's plenty. 5 games thus far is certainly a decent sample size. Today's game is just one more to tack on to the list if the game thread is any indication. I'm willing to bet what I've said not only will apply today, but was the same story for the previous Heat games and not to mention a good majority of our losses this season.

Look at our record...we've won when we've played TEAM ball and played defense. If anything is an example of that it's Linsanity.
And it's not to say that we weren't at a disadvantage to begin with considering all the injuries and personnel changes.

This doesn't detract from the Heat at all. I don't know where you even saw that. The fact is, the Heat win because they do all those things. They've been together for a couple of years, they're healthy, they we're under the same coach, they have Wade/Lebron/Bosh and role players they can count on and they play defense. Do you think if their top three didn't play together they would be where they are right now? They bought in, figured it out, changed their game for the good of the team...whatever you want to call it. But they ARE that good. And you say that we lost because the Heat played smothering defense. When HAVEN'T the Heat played smothering defense??? It shouldn't come as a surprise to say we failed because we didn't make the proper adjustments or match their level of effort, team play, and defense for 4 quarters.

But hey, it's a Knicks board. Why talk about the Knicks. If we win, lets talk about how the other team was horrible. If we lose, lets only discuss how amazing the other team was. What WAS I thinking.

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AnubisADL wrote:Complaining about ISO ball. What offense do you think Miami is running?

Lebron just has someone to pass to in Wade and Bosh who can also score.

Quick breakdown of the game tonight:

Lebron   - 32 pts
Wade     - 20 pts
Bosh     - 9  pts
Chalmers - 19 pts

Those 4 combined for 91% of the Miami offense.

The only reason Chalmers got 20 was because he was being guarded by the likes of Davis and Bibby.

Real balanced scoring by Miami.

well guess what, they are good at it, if that is the case.. we are not, therefore we should not run it...

the heat are a great defensive team. you know who got open shots? landry fields. you think that is an accident by the heat? you wonder why novak never seems to be open?

it's not iso-ball, it's no other option ball. this team has lost its second and third and fourth leading scorers in lin, amar'e and shumpert.

seriously, what in the name of hell did you expect? the heat are going to win the championship.

What the past 3 games has magnified is that Melo ISO ball cannot be your style offensively. It does not work, too easy to defend. The ball movement that this team when Woodson first took over and during the LINsanity is the best way for them to play. We have not seen it lately. Yes, it's partly due to the injuries but it's also partly due to the ego of Melo.

I think the only way this team has success is with PJax. A coach who might be able to let Melo get his touches and also keep the ball moving. The focus for this team must be defense and with that Woodson has done a decent job. You know a combination of MDA and Woodson might work. If only the star player buys in on both sides.....ahhh what a dream.

Let's face it the curse of trading Patrick Ewing has taken hold. This team is 0-13 in the playoffs since then. They have suffered Isiah Thomas Syndrome! I mean they brought in a Detroit Piston to run the KNICKS!!! WTF!!!! To break the curse Dolan must sell the team to Ewing. That is the only way.

p.s - Most of this was sarcastic and ironic. Simply losing my mind with what was supposed to be a decent playoff run this year!