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VDesai
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6/5/2012  11:44 PM
I don't think Lebron James believes he's as great shooter. Michael Jordan and Kobe are guys who are always fearless down the stretch. LeBron needs to understand and believe in just how good he is.
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6/5/2012  11:44 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
VDesai wrote:That was crazy...not sure Miami really even choked...the Celtics just executed and played even better down the stretch. They came up with play after play. Didn't think that the Celtics could still play like this.

Hottest team in the East since the Allstar break. You would think they'd run out of gas this deep in the postseason though. Pierce, KG, Allen and how can you forget Rondo is a tremendous team. With a tremendous coach and would've been a dynasty had they been assembled closer to their prime years. How many times did Doc Rivers out coach Dantoni during his Knicks stint. How many big 3's did Pierce nail in our face to win close games!

Doc has had the benefit of having a balanced and great team with the Big 3 + 1 for years. There's no comparison between his situation and Spoelstra or D'Antoni or any other Eastern coach. He has KNOWN quantities of high caliber. You KNOW exactly what you get from KG, Pierce, Allen and Rondo. That is a HUGE advantage for any coach. It's easy for Doc to out coach his competition with that near perfect fitting group. Doc was being clowned on before he got KG and Allen. You were probably one of the guys saying he should be fired, cuz just about everyone was saying that he should. This is about a great coach being given a great set of players that ACTUALLY FIT together like a glove.

Miami never gave consideration to how the pieces fit. THey never stopped to think about what kind of player Lebron was and how he'd fit with Wade. They didn't have balance just cuz they added Bosh! He's not a real PF and he's certainly not a center, so the Heat lack fundamental balance. Then forget about the rest of the Heat roster cuz it's garbage!!!

If the Knicks can somehow add the missing pieces and stay healthy there's a chance the Knicks can get to the ECF's next year. They just have to hope and pray that they can build more balance to the roster and not end up like the Heat. If the Knicks fix the PG depth and add a real SG and maybe another PF, there's no reason this team can't go deep.

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6/5/2012  11:46 PM
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Anji wrote:Wow anybody even going to comment on LBJ finishing the game 11-25??? I think he was like 8-13 in the first half.

That's not MVP basketball.

The scary thing is that the past two seasons he has looked lost in elimintation games when his team got eliminated. A lost LBJ equals a fired Spolestra. The Boston Garden is a tough place to play any night but in an elimination game home court is a huge advantage for the Celts.

Do you remember Lebron in Cleveland?

The guy is a beast. He needs to be the chief surrounds by "high quality" indians. Bosh fits but Wade does not.

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6/5/2012  11:54 PM
Wade is a punk. I almost feel bad for LeBron having to share the alpha role with him. Wade was so lazy getting back in transition it was a joke.

I don't think Miami is going to break up the roster unless they can get Dwight or Deron for some combo of Wade, Bosh and filler. If anything, Spolestra is gone and they try to bring in a guy like Jackson to run an actual offense. I wouldn't put it past Riley to try and coach the group he put together.

Still a series though. LeBron just needs to pretend he's playing the Knicks. C's intimidate him in big games.

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6/5/2012  11:59 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Anji wrote:Wow anybody even going to comment on LBJ finishing the game 11-25??? I think he was like 8-13 in the first half.

That's not MVP basketball.

The scary thing is that the past two seasons he has looked lost in elimintation games when his team got eliminated. A lost LBJ equals a fired Spolestra. The Boston Garden is a tough place to play any night but in an elimination game home court is a huge advantage for the Celts.

Do you remember Lebron in Cleveland?

The guy is a beast. He needs to be the chief surrounds by "high quality" indians. Bosh fits but Wade does not.

Yeah, I don't think LBJ was that bad tonight. You could see in the second half the Heat felt like they had to get Wade going and it killed Lebrons aggressiveness.

So instead of having Bron go for 40 plus on 20 shots, you have Wade and LBJ going for 50ish points on 50ish shots.

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6/6/2012  12:01 AM
MSG3 wrote:Wade is a punk. I almost feel bad for LeBron having to share the alpha role with him. Wade was so lazy getting back in transition it was a joke.

I don't think Miami is going to break up the roster unless they can get Dwight or Deron for some combo of Wade, Bosh and filler. If anything, Spolestra is gone and they try to bring in a guy like Jackson to run an actual offense. I wouldn't put it past Riley to try and coach the group he put together.

Still a series though. LeBron just needs to pretend he's playing the Knicks. C's intimidate him in big games.

I wish we had a team like the Celtics. We have Tyson who has that gritty defensive attitude but then we have two offensive players who play no defense
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6/6/2012  12:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2012  12:06 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Wade is a punk. I almost feel bad for LeBron having to share the alpha role with him. Wade was so lazy getting back in transition it was a joke.

I don't think Miami is going to break up the roster unless they can get Dwight or Deron for some combo of Wade, Bosh and filler. If anything, Spolestra is gone and they try to bring in a guy like Jackson to run an actual offense. I wouldn't put it past Riley to try and coach the group he put together.

Still a series though. LeBron just needs to pretend he's playing the Knicks. C's intimidate him in big games.

I wish we had a team like the Celtics. We have Tyson who has that gritty defensive attitude but then we have two offensive players who play no defense

Really, you think Tyson plays like KG on both ends???
Can Precious Lin play half as well Rondo as a defender or point guard???

Yeah our problems are All because of Melo and Amare.....GTFO with this wishing for every team bull**** you seem to love to do!!!!

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6/6/2012  12:16 AM
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gunsnewing wrote:This is hilarious to watch. Miami choking again. I'm telling you for being heralded a better player than Jordan a lot by the so called experts I would take Pierce, Kobe, KG, Durant over Lebron anyday! and clearly over Wade.

I guess this is it for Spolstra

I still role with Lebron.

The teams biggest flaw is the SG position and C position. They have a SG who cant shoot.

Wade is going to get traded this summer. I can feel it. They have to consider trading him for Deron Williams.

and I think the Nets pull the trigger on that deal in desperation. Let's be honest they were pretty desperate to trade for GWallace

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6/6/2012  12:21 AM
Anji wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Wade is a punk. I almost feel bad for LeBron having to share the alpha role with him. Wade was so lazy getting back in transition it was a joke.

I don't think Miami is going to break up the roster unless they can get Dwight or Deron for some combo of Wade, Bosh and filler. If anything, Spolestra is gone and they try to bring in a guy like Jackson to run an actual offense. I wouldn't put it past Riley to try and coach the group he put together.

Still a series though. LeBron just needs to pretend he's playing the Knicks. C's intimidate him in big games.

I wish we had a team like the Celtics. We have Tyson who has that gritty defensive attitude but then we have two offensive players who play no defense

Really, you think Tyson plays like KG on both ends???
Can Precious Lin play half as well Rondo as a defender or point guard???

Yeah our problems are All because of Melo and Amare.....GTFO with this wishing for every team bull**** you seem to love to do!!!!

how in the heck did you go from "Tyson who has that gritty defensive attitude" to "Really, you think Tyson plays like KG on both ends???"?

Did you both to read the post?

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6/6/2012  12:26 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Lebron James is a facilitator. He is a streaky shooter.

Plus he works too hard for his baskets.

Deron Williams would be a great for them.

Jordan and Kobe worked hard for their baskets too. I'm not going to say Pierce does because he benefits from being on the floor with kg, allen & rondo and gets a lot of open looks.

I hope the knicks can retain as many guys as possible and add key pieces and most importantly finish healthy and we can beat the heat too.

Woody might have to coach some zone D for the 1st time. He learned from Bobby Knight who doesn't believe in Zone. Could also be the reason for his lack of success in the playoffs with the Hawks. He said they wanted to play zone against the Heat but there was just not enough time to change up the defense on the fly.

One prior in training camp is to learn to play zone, man to man & nail down the switch defense

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6/6/2012  12:28 AM
Anji wrote:Riley isn't breaking up the big three.


I would consider Bosh and Wade for Dwight and Anderson. Much better balanced team.

yea I proposed that exact trade a few weeks ago but after thinking about it Orlando can do better going the younger route

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6/6/2012  12:40 AM
martin wrote:
Anji wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Wade is a punk. I almost feel bad for LeBron having to share the alpha role with him. Wade was so lazy getting back in transition it was a joke.

I don't think Miami is going to break up the roster unless they can get Dwight or Deron for some combo of Wade, Bosh and filler. If anything, Spolestra is gone and they try to bring in a guy like Jackson to run an actual offense. I wouldn't put it past Riley to try and coach the group he put together.

Still a series though. LeBron just needs to pretend he's playing the Knicks. C's intimidate him in big games.

I wish we had a team like the Celtics. We have Tyson who has that gritty defensive attitude but then we have two offensive players who play no defense

Really, you think Tyson plays like KG on both ends???
Can Precious Lin play half as well Rondo as a defender or point guard???

Yeah our problems are All because of Melo and Amare.....GTFO with this wishing for every team bull**** you seem to love to do!!!!

how in the heck did you go from "Tyson who has that gritty defensive attitude" to "Really, you think Tyson plays like KG on both ends???"?

Did you both to read the post?


Flatout, I think it's bull****.

Taking shots at Melo and Stat after the Celtics win, the Thunder Win, the Spurs win, the Heat, is bull****.

Talking like we have KG like center that plays both sides of the ball and a point like Westbrook/Rondo/Parker being held back by our other stars is bull****.

Why should seeing the Heat go down 3-2 in Eastern conference finals have anything to do with this bull****???

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6/6/2012  1:32 AM
The issue is how you build your team. It's becoming very clear that the players you have need to FIT well with each other and actually should be stronger than the sum of their parts. Then you have the character of the players as well. From day one the Celtics sacrificed and shared the spotlight and the ball with each other. They blended into a cohesive unit and they listen to their coach and it's a beautiful thing to watch. As old as they are they still are able to produce at a high level because they work well as a team and they fill different needs for the team.

The Heat are not a well put together team in any sense. What I fear is that the Knicks could be that kind of team if they don't fix some issues. More importantly it's unfortunate that the teams best players isn't a TEAM guy. Some don't like to hear that, but in truth Melo is more of a solo act and that being the case we have to build around him in a different way than if he was a team player that fit into a team concept perfectly. You can still win with a player like Melo, but you REALLY need to sure up the rest of the roster. This team was not even close in terms of the role players on the Knicks. You can't win in this league with one guy or two. You need to have a balanced roster that has the necessary parts to make it all work. You also need a coach that recognizes the importance of "TEAM BALL". I'm not positive that Woody is that coach, but we'll see what he does next year with time to really prepare a game plan.

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6/6/2012  1:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2012  1:37 AM
Pierce was never a "team" guy. Kobe still isn't after 5 rings

I guess by "team guy" people mean passing the ball to a wide open fields & Jeffries.

I know that for the little time melo, amare, lin & chandler all played together we did pretty good and all were playing well going 6-1

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6/6/2012  7:57 AM
skeng wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Showing off his Jewish heritage!

is he jewish or what's the deal?


That's a Star of David necklace. Yeah, he's Jewish.
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6/6/2012  8:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2012  8:08 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Pierce was never a "team" guy. Kobe still isn't after 5 rings

I guess by "team guy" people mean passing the ball to a wide open fields & Jeffries.

I know that for the little time melo, amare, lin & chandler all played together we did pretty good and all were playing well going 6-1

Becomiong a team player in team geme means the star gets it.
Cobe and Pierce get it not because of them not being solo but because of their maturity and intelegence as a man.
Melo is a little kid in big body who is having fun playing and is fun to watch by casual fans.
He may grow up one day but for now he has long ways to go.

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6/6/2012  8:51 AM
arkrud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pierce was never a "team" guy. Kobe still isn't after 5 rings

I guess by "team guy" people mean passing the ball to a wide open fields & Jeffries.

I know that for the little time melo, amare, lin & chandler all played together we did pretty good and all were playing well going 6-1

Becomiong a team player in team geme means the star gets it.
Cobe and Pierce get it not because of them not being solo but because of their maturity and intelegence as a man.
Melo is a little kid in big body who is having fun playing and is fun to watch by casual fans.
He may grow up one day but for now he has long ways to go.


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6/6/2012  9:12 AM
arkrud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pierce was never a "team" guy. Kobe still isn't after 5 rings

I guess by "team guy" people mean passing the ball to a wide open fields & Jeffries.

I know that for the little time melo, amare, lin & chandler all played together we did pretty good and all were playing well going 6-1

Becomiong a team player in team geme means the star gets it.
Cobe and Pierce get it not because of them not being solo but because of their maturity and intelegence as a man.
Melo is a little kid in big body who is having fun playing and is fun to watch by casual fans.
He may grow up one day but for now he has long ways to go.

I'm not quite sure I followed this but I'll give it a +1

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6/6/2012  9:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/6/2012  9:26 AM
arkrud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pierce was never a "team" guy. Kobe still isn't after 5 rings

I guess by "team guy" people mean passing the ball to a wide open fields & Jeffries.

I know that for the little time melo, amare, lin & chandler all played together we did pretty good and all were playing well going 6-1

Becomiong a team player in team geme means the star gets it.
Cobe and Pierce get it not because of them not being solo but because of their maturity and intelegence as a man.
Melo is a little kid in big body who is having fun playing and is fun to watch by casual fans.
He may grow up one day but for now he has long ways to go.

Melo's at the 25 second mark.

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ChuckBuck wrote:
arkrud wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pierce was never a "team" guy. Kobe still isn't after 5 rings

I guess by "team guy" people mean passing the ball to a wide open fields & Jeffries.

I know that for the little time melo, amare, lin & chandler all played together we did pretty good and all were playing well going 6-1

Becomiong a team player in team geme means the star gets it.
Cobe and Pierce get it not because of them not being solo but because of their maturity and intelegence as a man.
Melo is a little kid in big body who is having fun playing and is fun to watch by casual fans.
He may grow up one day but for now he has long ways to go.

LOL!

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