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FoeDiddy
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4/3/2012  9:47 PM
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Olbrannon wrote:We lost that game on the offensive boards in the last quarter.

We lost that game because BD and JR are negative gain and the sh1tiest of players. Hell! I can walk the fukking ball up the court faster than him. What the fuk else does he do?????????????????

hell Bibby would have done a better job and thats saying something

Bad recognition by Woodson this game..should have went with Melo, JR, Fields, Shump and Chandler at the end there when they made their run. Collison or Hibbert weren't playing. we needed quickness out there at every position. BD wasn't giving us anything at all. Our hustle points at end were pretty low. Team seemed to run out of steam as game progressed. Too many minutes for Melo & Chandler.

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4/3/2012  9:48 PM
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This loss is so... FREAKING MADDENING!!!!!!!!!!! Would quit on them right now if I wasn't a fan. Man I wish I didn't care about this pathetic team after such a PATHETIC fourth quarter. ARGHHHH!

If I get a dollar for every time I thought that, I'd be a millionaire. I don't understand why our team cannot take pressure in 4th quarters? I don't see this as a trend, but come on, giving Pacers a 27 - 6 run?? I wish Lin and Stoudamire were back. I don't understand why people blame Melo. He was one of the better if not the best player tonight.

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4/3/2012  9:49 PM
I know it's on the road and all but it's really hard to win games when you go -23 in the 4th quarter.

Too much Iso and not enough D is the reason we gave this one away?

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4/3/2012  9:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2012  9:50 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:This team quit in the 4th. Fatigue is a lousy excuse

Fatigue doesnt fly with me they were off last night

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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4/3/2012  9:49 PM
Indy got their energy up at home. It happens! The thing I see is that we really miss Jared. We still need another defensive big besides Tyson. When Tyson has to help so much it takes him away from the basket and the other team gets rebounds. That is a very important factor. Not having Jared or even STAT does make us vulnerable on the glass in certain situations.
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4/3/2012  9:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/3/2012  9:51 PM
The Knicks lost, because they got over confident going into the 4th Quarter. They were hitting shots all game long and just figured it would continue. They were wrong. ISO ball was working...but over the course of a game...it takes other players out of the game. Melo had a great game...but usually it takes more than one guy on offense.
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4/3/2012  9:50 PM
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FoeDiddy wrote:
Clean wrote:
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tkf wrote:this is what happens when you play iso ball

We have 104 points and they have 110 when we've been giving up 85 and you think the problem today was offense/Iso Ball??

Yes in the 4th offense was the problem.

LOL..we gave up 40 points in the 4th quarter..31 in the first...112 pts in the game. Wow..you guys really loved Dantoni.

You act like you've never seen 17 pt quarters in the Dantoni era...Defense, Baron Davis & 2nd Chance Pts. is what killed us this game. Add to that that stretch with 2nd unit when Pacers cut lead down within one minute.

I never said anything about MDA. All I want is a balanced offense. I understand milking ISO melo when he is hot but to do it for the whole game? People need to be in a rhythm. You can't call standing by the 3point line getting in a rhythm.

that has nothing to do with giving up 112 points. It's simple. Knicks give up their season average and this is a win point blank. A Blowout most likely. Defense was the issue.

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4/3/2012  9:50 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:Relax Granger if the Knicks were at full strength we would have crushed you

You really think thats any comforting thing? We lost this game mainly because the team quit on playing any kind of defense and folded. When you lead by 17 in the last minutes of the third, you have shown you have enough to win. When you get outscored by more than 20 in the fourth, you freaking quit and freaking suck. This isnt a game you blame on being shorthanded because you built a lead and any kind of effort on D would've kept the lead. This team was PATHETIC.

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4/3/2012  9:51 PM
The thing I have noticed these last few games is that if it were not for Lin we would be down by the raptors in the standings. No matter how the rest of the season goes we have to be somewhat happy with how lucky we got with Lin.
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4/3/2012  9:51 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:I would love to somehow meet Indy in the playoffs. Not likely...but damn...

Right now, be happy making the playoffs. This team can lose the 8th spot as quickly as they lost this game in the fourth.

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4/3/2012  9:52 PM
O.K. I am made that they gave this one away but not that angry. Yes this was needed but this team is so close despite injuries it's crazy. A few players had bad nights and a few bad calls at the worst possible time hurt the Knicks. I think this game is on Woody. He should have taken Baron out earlier for Fields with Shump or Smith bringing up the ball. Baron takes to long bring the ball up court and does a poor job with the entry pass. Also moving Shump over would have created better passsing lanes for the entry pass while having a better defensive team. I also think he was to quick to put Chandler in at the start which lead to a tired Tyson down the stretch. Almunson? killed us in the 4th.
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4/3/2012  9:52 PM
nixluva wrote:Indy got their energy up at home. It happens! The thing I see is that we really miss Jared. We still need another defensive big besides Tyson. When Tyson has to help so much it takes him away from the basket and the other team gets rebounds. That is a very important factor. Not having Jared or even STAT does make us vulnerable on the glass in certain situations.

Very True. Great point. When Chandler goes to help it's really guards going against bigs trying to grab a rebound. Then with Novak and Harrelson in...rebounding is horrendous. Harrelson can't jump and Novak is really a tall guard.

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4/3/2012  9:52 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Don't understand:

- How Novak was buried on the bench during that entire run
- How after seeing this we don't make a move for a PG.

Well the good news is we play Orlando Chicago and then Orlando.

Say goodbye to the playoffs.

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4/3/2012  9:52 PM
nixluva wrote:Indy got their energy up at home. It happens! The thing I see is that we really miss Jared. We still need another defensive big besides Tyson. When Tyson has to help so much it takes him away from the basket and the other team gets rebounds. That is a very important factor. Not having Jared or even STAT does make us vulnerable on the glass in certain situations.

def. are missing Jefferies

and Lin
and Stat

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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4/3/2012  9:52 PM
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MaTT4281 wrote:I would love to somehow meet Indy in the playoffs. Not likely...but damn...

Right now, be happy making the playoffs. This team can lose the 8th spot as quickly as they lost this game in the fourth.

Mark my words...the Knick playoff chances are in serious jeopardy.

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4/3/2012  9:52 PM
Olbrannon wrote:We lost that game on the offensive boards in the last quarter.

Defense anyone?

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4/3/2012  9:52 PM
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Knicksfan wrote:If management doesn't waive Bibby immediately after the game and sign a usable point guard Im done with this team this season.

Overreaction perhaps?

No. WE NEED A POINT GUARD. Didn't we learn anything from Lin? We need a healthy body out there that can simulate to organize the ball. Davis, Bibby and Douglas don't make a good PG together.

They need to get someone hungry and healthy. At this point, I would rather Tony Douglas right now because he plays hard defense. This lost is on Woodson for keeping Davis in the game so long.

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4/3/2012  9:53 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
Clean wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
Clean wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
tkf wrote:this is what happens when you play iso ball

We have 104 points and they have 110 when we've been giving up 85 and you think the problem today was offense/Iso Ball??

Yes in the 4th offense was the problem.

LOL..we gave up 40 points in the 4th quarter..31 in the first...112 pts in the game. Wow..you guys really loved Dantoni.

You act like you've never seen 17 pt quarters in the Dantoni era...Defense, Baron Davis & 2nd Chance Pts. is what killed us this game. Add to that that stretch with 2nd unit when Pacers cut lead down within one minute.

I never said anything about MDA. All I want is a balanced offense. I understand milking ISO melo when he is hot but to do it for the whole game? People need to be in a rhythm. You can't call standing by the 3point line getting in a rhythm.

that has nothing to do with giving up 112 points. It's simple. Knicks give up their season average and this is a win point blank. A Blowout most likely. Defense was the issue.

I think that not having Jared or STAT made us vulnerable inside cuz Tyson has to give too much help and can't cover the glass as much as he needs to. This led to 2nd chances for the pacers. They didn't score as easily against out set D. It was the 2nd chances that killed us.

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4/3/2012  9:53 PM
FoeDiddy wrote:
Clean wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
Clean wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
tkf wrote:this is what happens when you play iso ball

We have 104 points and they have 110 when we've been giving up 85 and you think the problem today was offense/Iso Ball??

Yes in the 4th offense was the problem.

LOL..we gave up 40 points in the 4th quarter..31 in the first...112 pts in the game. Wow..you guys really loved Dantoni.

You act like you've never seen 17 pt quarters in the Dantoni era...Defense, Baron Davis & 2nd Chance Pts. is what killed us this game. Add to that that stretch with 2nd unit when Pacers cut lead down within one minute.

I never said anything about MDA. All I want is a balanced offense. I understand milking ISO melo when he is hot but to do it for the whole game? People need to be in a rhythm. You can't call standing by the 3point line getting in a rhythm.

that has nothing to do with giving up 112 points. It's simple. Knicks give up their season average and this is a win point blank. A Blowout most likely. Defense was the issue.

Maybe you think I am saying that offense was the only problem. I am not saying that I am just stating my problem with the off Woody is running.

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4/3/2012  9:53 PM
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Olbrannon wrote:We lost that game on the offensive boards in the last quarter.

Defense anyone?

Giving up 40 points in a quarter is a hallmark of the Woody D.

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