mrKnickShot wrote:

Uptown wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:18-6! Thats not just a plain coaching change pop as many thought.

Great job Mike - the job is yours to lose.

Woodson

18-6

MDA

18-24

Do the math.....

I'm not that good at math ... which one is better?

And anyway, it's a miniscule SAMPLE SIZE

If given the chance I'm sure Woody could lose 18 in a row.

On the serious side, he's done a hell of a job and I hope we get deep into the playoffs. F**K Jax! Woody is our coach.

Now that MDA is gone Woodson can finally do these things.

Sarcasm out of the way, the only thing consistent with this team is the inconsistency.

If Woodson continues to show that he is capable of leading this ill storied ball club then I hope he gets a lifetime deal like Pop or Sloan.

knicks1248 wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Never losing 2 in a row. if that continues in the playoffs...

But this is really where woodson earns his keep. A flame out in he playoffs is not a good reason to keep him.

If we get swept or lose in 5..your going to immeadiately go to his playoff record and start scratching your head and thinking..

The game plan was horrible and we were getting demolished with shump in there as well.

I'm just saying..The playoffs gives you time to focus, and today i saw a horrible game plan and our team playing un discipline. We were overly aggressive, we set no screens, and when melo was denied the ball we forced it and had a few momentum changing TO's.

The rotations on defense sucked and the overall rotation sucked (with amre and melo both going to the bench together) leaving tyson out there to pick up his 4th foul and not once making any adjustments at the half.

If woodson continues to have excuses come playoff time, maybe we should give phil a call.
But lets see what happens monday, he hasn't lost 2 in a row this season..but something tells me were about to see that change in these here playoffs, cause miami looks focus, sharp and more importantly...PREPARED

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Right so if we get blown by 20 pts in 4 straight games in the playoffs, you still give this guy an extension.

The game plan was horrible and we were getting demolished with shump in there as well.

I'm just saying..The playoffs gives you time to focus, and today i saw a horrible game plan and our team playing un discipline. We were overly aggressive, we set no screens, and when melo was denied the ball we forced it and had a few momentum changing TO's.

The rotations on defense sucked and the overall rotation sucked (with amre and melo both going to the bench together) leaving tyson out there to pick up his 4th foul and not once making any adjustments at the half.

If woodson continues to have excuses come playoff time, maybe we should give phil a call.
But lets see what happens monday, he hasn't lost 2 in a row this season..but something tells me were about to see that change in these here playoffs, cause miami looks focus, sharp and more importantly...PREPARED

I think Woodson should get the extension and I don't anticipate that the Knicks get beat by 20 in the next three games. I do know that if D'Antoni didn't resign the KNicks wouldn't be in the playoffs, a lottery pick would be going to HOuston and there would be threads here trashing the McGrady trade, D'Antoni and Walsh. The Knicks played a back to back and then had one day to prepare. Tyson had the flu, was dizzy on the court and did not meet the media because he was receiving iv fluids. I don't think Mike Woodson would ever make excuses but he certainly has had his fair share of adversity in the 25 games he has been coach. Despite that he overcame a horrific start to the season and got the Knicks to the playoffs. If the KNicks are up against the Bulls or Pacers I think the series goes 7 games and I think the Knicks win. I am not convinced that after one game where everything went wrong that this still won't be a series.

Is your post a, I wish Mike D'Antoni was still coaching the team post or a I want PJax post? I know one guy couldn't finish the season like Woodson did and I doubt the other could do better.

I really couldn't careless about any other coach if the one we got can get us a championship..
Giving the right players to play MDA's style and having a guy like woodson on his coaching staff, i believe they would have been fine.

But what im more concern about woodson is his playoff track reecord, it ain't good. I'm a try not to hold judgment til the next game..but he said he wasn't going to make much changes..REALLY

There was no focus and just bad line ups and rotations altogether..

CrushAlot wrote:

Clean wrote:I loved what woody has done in the regular season but he was out planned and out coached today by a Dantoni like margin. If this continues the rest of the playoffs I would hold off on extension and see what other coaches become available first. To be clear I am not talking about if we just get sweeped. I mean if it is obvious our team is not making the right adjustments.

The Knicks were hoping they would get to start the season tomorrow. They played a back to back games and had one day to prepare for todays game. The Knicks were in this game and then the momentum was taken from them by the officiating. They were outplayed but what adjustments would you have made to change the outcome? I think the officiating, Miami's great play, Tyson's flu, and the lack of preperation time doomed them today. Woodson hasn't lost back to back games since taking over so I hope that trend continues.

First adjustment would be to never play defense on Joel Anthony, treat him like teams treat Fields and Jared. Use the defender that would have been on him to double anytime Wade or Lebron attempts to drive. Joel will not score 40 points and carry the heat to a win.

Second adjustment would be to disguise plays. It is obvious that the Heat overplay melo ISO's. So to burn them for that I would disguise a play as a melo ISO when in fact it is actually being run for someone else. Example would be to try and pass to melo in post. While Novak would run a curl to 3point line on weakside using an offball pick. While the curl is happening the SG would cut to the hoop to create room. With them overloading on Melo the other players will be open. After a few of these they will not double melo to hard.

Third Adjustment is a simple one I have said many times on these forums. The Heats defense is easy to scout. They overplay the PNR's ball handler and they use the weakside defender to stop penetration. This is why we had so many turnovers and charges today. To beat this defense you just have to drive to the hoop to draw the weakside defender. We just have to avoid tunnel vision and find the weakside shooter(Which is where Novak would be).

Sorry for the long post.

loweyecue wrote:

Clean wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Clean wrote:I loved what woody has done in the regular season but he was out planned and out coached today by a Dantoni like margin. If this continues the rest of the playoffs I would hold off on extension and see what other coaches become available first. To be clear I am not talking about if we just get sweeped. I mean if it is obvious our team is not making the right adjustments.

The Knicks were hoping they would get to start the season tomorrow. They played a back to back games and had one day to prepare for todays game. The Knicks were in this game and then the momentum was taken from them by the officiating. They were outplayed but what adjustments would you have made to change the outcome? I think the officiating, Miami's great play, Tyson's flu, and the lack of preperation time doomed them today. Woodson hasn't lost back to back games since taking over so I hope that trend continues.

First adjustment would be to never play defense on Joel Anthony, treat him like teams treat Fields and Jared. Use the defender that would have been on him to double anytime Wade or Lebron attempts to drive. Joel will not score 40 points and carry the heat to a win.

Second adjustment would be to disguise plays. It is obvious that the Heat overplay melo ISO's. So to burn them for that I would disguise a play as a melo ISO when in fact it is actually being run for someone else. Example would be to try and pass to melo in post. While Novak would run a curl to 3point line on weakside using an offball pick. While the curl is happening the SG would cut to the hoop to create room. With them overloading on Melo the other players will be open. After a few of these they will not double melo to hard.

Third Adjustment is a simple one I have said many times on these forums. The Heats defense is easy to scout. They overplay the PNR's ball handler and they use the weakside defender to stop penetration. This is why we had so many turnovers and charges today. To beat this defense you just have to drive to the hoop to draw the weakside defender. We just have to avoid tunnel vision and find the weakside shooter(Which is where Novak would be).

Sorry for the long post.

Excellent post. However, I think we would have lost anyway. Woody deserves a good deal of criticism for how he handled this but the Zebras took the game away. Whatever mistakes he made as a coach were multiplied many fold by sheer bad luck and Miami playing well. But Dallas overcame the same thing last year so we can't keep using this excuse for long.

I hate to be the party pooper, but the refs didn't make Melo shoot 3-15 and JR Smith 7-17. The refs did't make JR Smith and JJ make stupid reaching fouls over and over again.

We had looks, we had opportunities and we didn't scored.

Once again, the Heat was way more agressive than us from the get go. We had the illusion we were still in the game early because BD's shot was on target (an outlier this season) and it singlehandly kept us afloat.

But the Heat kept on going inside while we played scared and passing the ball east to west for 20 secs before hositing desperation shots at clock end.

The refs didn't do that, we did.
The heat went for the throat and never stopped, we just backed down. It didn't help that Melo got destroyed by LBJ, but I'm confident he will bounce back.

We have to give credit where credit is due, otherwise we're sure to get swept. Aknowledge that we didn't play well and we can improve from there is a winner attitude. To blame everybody else (refs, basketball gods, bad luck, etc.) is a loser mindset and will get us nowhere.

No more cool talk, no more ''we're contender'' before proving it.

It's time to get up and punch them right back in the face.

Time to put up or shut up.

Go Knicks.

misterearl wrote:Woodson Was NOT Outcoached (whatever that means)

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Clean wrote:I loved what woody has done in the regular season but he was out planned and out coached today by a Dantoni like margin. If this continues the rest of the playoffs I would hold off on extension and see what other coaches become available first. To be clear I am not talking about if we just get sweeped. I mean if it is obvious our team is not making the right adjustments.

The Knicks, due to a fragile backcourt, turned it over more than they scored it.

Mike Woodson cannot "coach up" an injured and sluggish Baron Davis or the eartly remains of Mike Bibby.

That is our glaring weakness. Without Shumpert, ball-handling falls to JR Smith and tha is not a good thing.

There is no coach in the NBA who can "adjust" to that deficit.

Exactly right though I think he can and will have a better showing in the next couple of games. He will have to adjust a bit to what they did in game one and I think he will. Good coaches always adjust after bad losses like that.

I wonder why Nixluva never responds to you.