JayNYC wrote:If we get 2 Stars in 2010.. Does 2012 even matter? Would anyone truly care about dealing away Jordan Hill? C'mon lol

that's a big IF

TMS wrote:

JayNYC wrote:If we get 2 Stars in 2010.. Does 2012 even matter? Would anyone truly care about dealing away Jordan Hill? C'mon lol

that's a big IF

TMS wrote:

JayNYC wrote:If we get 2 Stars in 2010.. Does 2012 even matter? Would anyone truly care about dealing away Jordan Hill? C'mon lol

that's a big IF

TMS you are right IF being the key word here.. but at least there would be an IF" assuming we gain the additional salary to sign two MAX Free agents. Im starting to believe that we can not even flirt with the idea, if we do otherwise. Not making this trade, is far worst in my opinion because it defers the improvement plan!!!

If Donnie has put Hill on the trading block to go with Jeffries, I think he can pull off a trade for some expiring contracts with another team and not have to give up future #1 picks.

Markji wrote:I hope this trade talk with Houston is over and Donnie can focus on other teams. Screw Houston. They blew it with missing the Washington trade and now they are blowing it with us by asking for too much.

If Donnie has put Hill on the trading block to go with Jeffries, I think he can pull off a trade for some expiring contracts with another team and not have to give up future #1 picks.

Well who cares exactly who we trade with, so long as we can get the Cap space. If we can do another trade that won't require the picks so be it.

nixluva wrote:

Markji wrote:I hope this trade talk with Houston is over and Donnie can focus on other teams. Screw Houston. They blew it with missing the Washington trade and now they are blowing it with us by asking for too much.

If Donnie has put Hill on the trading block to go with Jeffries, I think he can pull off a trade for some expiring contracts with another team and not have to give up future #1 picks.

Well who cares exactly who we trade with, so long as we can get the Cap space. If we can do another trade that won't require the picks so be it.

he of course is one of the more coveted FA's this summer. but he has been a professional throughout the year not saying stuff about it in the media.

but he has said the following:

- he wants to be the main guy on the team. just the other day he thinks he's good enough and becoming better that he should be built around.

- he said he will talk to FA's at the all star weekend to sell them on toronto and come join him

- he repeatedly said he loves toronto

- his main off court business (max deal technologies) is based in toronto and he is heavily involved in it (and being in toronto gives him heavy tax breaks)

- he wants the full max (6 years)

- he just said that he likes how his team chemistry is coming along and he doesn't want to make a deal this deadline b/c it could disrupt it (a very big contrast to many players asking for help instead)

- he's ticked off that toronto goes under the radar in the press and wants to change that perception

- he said he understands advancing in the playoffs is tough but he just wants us (toronto) to be competetive in the first round this year and he feels that's a good start

now, this could be all lip service...and if presented with a full court press by another city, there is no telling what he could do...but that's what he's been saying. compare that to what guys like wade, amare, and even lebron earlier in the season have been saying and you can see that there's a good shot he stays in toronto where he will be the man (something many players in their mid 20's want to be) and everything will be built around him.

if you notice, all media outlets said he was as good as gone...up until about a month ago. then all of them started changing their tune and are starting to question whether he goes or not.

imho, he has a bonafide 2nd scorer now in bargnani (at age 24) and a up and coming rookie in derozan (at age 20). combine that with picks and a big time dynamic GM, along with MLSE (raptors owners) support and willingness to go into luxury next season, everything is falling into place for him to stay.

alot of US players don't want to play in toronto but a reminder about vince, he re-upped TWICE in toronto. only after some years of losing did he want out - but that's the case with many players in the US as well.

but then again, anything can happen.

Assets outgoing:

Jordan Hill - There is really nothing special about him. Now, maybe he becomes a decent player one day, but he is no star to be, and I'd rather take a shot at building a dynasty this summer than waiting around to see if Hill is any good. So you dump him in this trade with little fault.
2011 1st round pick swap - If true, shouldn't be a big problem, because if we cash in we would be a pretty good team and Houston isn't all that. The swap might not even happen.
2012 1st round pick - If true would come with protection. Regardless by this time we would be a good team.

Jeffries - a must salary dump to make this summer work.

Harrington or Hughes - not of any future value to us anymore.

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Those who think this is an Isiah mistake. It's not. When Isiah traded our picks he traded them for long term contracts. That is not was is occurring here. Picks or no picks, LeBron or No LeBron. We're not backed into some corner by this trade. We'd have plenty of cap space to absorb contracts or sign players outright of our choosing.

This is a risk we should probably be taking.

Other rumors are Harrington for Thomas. Well, Thomas should ease the pain for those so high on keeping Hill. For me I could do without either player. But this would make sending Hill to Houston not as big of a deal.

Nate to Boston is also a possibility. Maybe we get something good back in that deal.

Then you put it all together and it'd be a good day at the office for Donnie.

Cosmic wrote:Getting a little ahead of ourselves in some posts here I think. The teams are discussing a trade. Maybe it happens maybe it doesn't. Sounds like the teams want it to happen.

Assets outgoing:

Jordan Hill - There is really nothing special about him. Now, maybe he becomes a decent player one day, but he is no star to be, and I'd rather take a shot at building a dynasty this summer than waiting around to see if Hill is any good. So you dump him in this trade with little fault.
2011 1st round pick swap - If true, shouldn't be a big problem, because if we cash in we would be a pretty good team and Houston isn't all that. The swap might not even happen.
2012 1st round pick - If true would come with protection. Regardless by this time we would be a good team.

Jeffries - a must salary dump to make this summer work.

Harrington or Hughes - not of any future value to us anymore.

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Those who think this is an Isiah mistake. It's not. When Isiah traded our picks he traded them for long term contracts. That is not was is occurring here. Picks or no picks, LeBron or No LeBron. We're not backed into some corner by this trade. We'd have plenty of cap space to absorb contracts or sign players outright of our choosing.

This is a risk we should probably be taking.

Other rumors are Harrington for Thomas. Well, Thomas should ease the pain for those so high on keeping Hill. For me I could do without either player. But this would make sending Hill to Houston not as big of a deal.

Nate to Boston is also a possibility. Maybe we get something good back in that deal.

Then you put it all together and it'd be a good day at the office for Donnie.

as long as we're giving away every asset that has no future here in 2011, let's toss in David Lee into the package... i mean everyone knows we're clearing cap space for Lebron & Wade, so there's no way we can re-sign Lee anyway... he has zero value to our franchise. [/sarcasm]

TMS wrote:

as long as we're giving away every asset that has no future here in 2011, let's toss in David Lee into the package... i mean everyone knows we're clearing cap space for Lebron & Wade, so there's no way we can re-sign Lee anyway... he has zero value to our franchise. [/sarcasm]

You do understand if we don't clear more salary we don't have the room for a max contract and David Lee, right?

After a max deal we'd have about 7M to play with. Lee isn't staying here for that.

And again these "assets" are way overblown. You would think with some of the thoughts in this thread that we were giving up a future KG, the best defender in the game, and 2 unprotected lotto picks. We're not. Swapping 1 pick of which will be about the same value as the pick it would be swapped with. Maybe even better meaning there would be no swap.

This trade is junk we don't want, the over valued Jordan Hill, and the 2012 pick which would be protected.

That's not all that amazing. And I sure as heck would risk it with the chance to sign 2 max players or maybe 3 very good players next summer.

But, I guess people would rather keep Jeffries, Hill, re-sign Lee to a big contract, and try to squeak in Joe Johnson for under the max, and pray our 2011 and 2012 picks would be both elite players, right?

Now who's taking the bigger risk.

nyk4ever wrote:LOL.. the rockets are trying to play hardball.. I'd love to see what 'the better deal is.' im interested in this deal but not for keeping mcgrady.. the dude is broken down and the rockets think they can get a better deal?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/02/16/knicks.mcgrady/

Source: New York isn't McGrady's best offer
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By Chris Mannix, SI.com

While the Knicks continue to pursue Tracy McGrady, informed sources warn that New York remains low on Houston's list of trade partners. The framework involves Houston shipping McGrady and power forward Joey Dorsey to the Knicks for Al Harrington, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill.

However, sources with knowledge of the talk say the Rockets have received multiple offers for McGrady that they have deemed better than the Knicks'. A source said that Jeffries -- who is owed $6.9 million next season with a $2 million trade kicker -- is a major sticking point for Houston's front office.

Acquiring Jeffries would effectively kill any chance Houston would have of signing a top free agent in the offseason.

Childs2Dudley wrote:I don't think this trade will be made. the rockets are apparently more interested in other offers, mainly from the bulls. the bulls are offering a combination of tyrus thomas, deng, heinrich, james johnson and expiring deals of brad miller an jerome to the rockets for tmac.