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earthmansurfer
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smackeddog wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:smackeddog wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:smackeddog wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:smackeddog wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:smackeddog wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock againJust sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job! In your postings in the past you've revealed you are homophobic, racist and that you put your hands round your wife's throat when youve argued ('just to show her you cared' or some such crap was your justification) so I'm not surprised you're excited about Trump's reign. Mr Ad Hominem with a little guilt by association thrown in, nice example there of attacking the messenger and ignoring the message. Why do you want to attack him as a person? Is what he says sort of true? Yeah, it is. It is pretty clear that what Briggs said is Trumps plan. The guy has a better idea on how to fix this country and in part a lot of respectable people got behind him. You are witnessing it and will continue to. Give him a chance. Answer me this, what are your honest views on LGBT rights, racism and misogyny? Im genuinely curious First, answer my point above instead of getting me to answer you. That is fair. You attacked him. I'm not sure about what he said and there was no context given. But instead of talking about his points on Trump, you attacked his person. And I'm curious why. If Briggs is such a bad guy I think I would have been seeing it a lot and I've been on this board for years. Mostly people would complain because he made too many new threads, never heard him name called like you just did (At least I don't remember that). At the moment it's all guess work/faith that he'll make the economy great- history would show what he's proposing won't help, but then again he was also lying so it's hard to fathom what he will actually end up doing. My issue is with the complete silence you and BRIGGs and co have regarding the bigotry. I can only assume it's because you either agree with trump, or simply don't care. As for BRIGGs, he called for the nuclear inhalation of the Middle East, in a thread about domestic violence said what he does to his wife, in a thread about gay players said he wouldn't want to change in a locker room with them, etc etc. I've no interest in what Briggs is like as a person, he might be a nice guy, and he's done some very nice things for these boards and it's members, but I will always challenge his views. It might be a bit of guess work and faith, but look at where we are at right now. The banking system is broken, unemployment is high and things just don't look that good. 2008 is catching up to us. The only thing that will get us out of here is some smart thinking. I really don't know if Trumps plan can soften the fall that we are continually getting closer to happening. But, I don't think the US Dollar fails before the Euro. If Trump can create some jobs and I think his plans idea is solid. But we need something drastically different as things are broken. I see Brigg's reply to you, so I'll just keep out for now, but thanks for answering me there. Maybe you guys can clear things up. If I can say, if he put out personal stuff and wasn't bragging about it, and if he knew it wasn't the right thing but changed enough to share it, don't judge the guy. I don't mean that against you. Regarding "what are your honest views on LGBT rights, racism and misogyny?"
I really don't separate people based on sexual preference, gender preference, etc. I grew up in Brooklyn and I never understood the hate for people that were different in that way. Never in my life. Likewise, I didn't understand why my good (black) friend at school wanted to be white (Cause the local guys threatened me to kill him if I brought the N*** back to the neighborhood.) That was a bit rough on me. They did end up killing some other black guys about a year later. That is when we left Brooklyn. I'm sure inside me there are some uncomfortable parts relating to people who are different, but I genuinely treat people like people, not based on anything about them that society doesn't accept. Everyone is in a different position though, with their experiences, culture and family, etc. guiding them along the way. I really don't feel like hating on people who are racist, just as I don't hate on people of a different race. I actually met a Neo Nazi here and actually was super open and nice to him. Think it made him uncomfortable at times (as he was kind of bound up in a certain way, traditional, wearing the lederhosen, lol) I felt like he needed some love, so to speak. I take that over trying to fix someone (outright). Not making excuses either. Regarding the hatred of women. See above, I really don't see separation of people(s) like that. I may say policeman out of habit, instead of policewoman. I don't get all the hate in the world. This thread, by far, is the most amount of hate that I experience - receive and "give". (Not that I hate something or somebody, but it gets testy at times, a bit personal it seems.)
I'm a bit tired of that, so will do my part to reduce it, and I hope others look in the mirror and do something too. None of us are perfect. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone sort of thing... I don't have a problem with Trump, I'm gonna give him a chance. I have never taken issue with your fed up-ness with corruption, and dislike of Hilary Clinton's relationship with Wall Street etc (I'm a Bernie Sanders man), on that side of things though I think you've been conned by trump, but we'll see (I'd love it if he did 'drain the swamp'- I just don't think he will). The emotive bit for me has been the other side- the kind of people he'll give power to. A lot of his supporters are likely very similar to you- we'd get on fine in person, but I'd struggle to get how they can go to holding views of basic decency to voting for someone who stands for the opposite, and that's something I've always struggled with in politics. Ugly stuff can hide behind good manners. I have been getting increasingly worked up on this thread, because I've read your posts on how everything's going great, and then also read the other side of that and the real fear there is amongst black people, muslims, LGBT folk, etc, and I guess it's felt very antagonistic (and I know I've responded by being very antagonistic). I'm worried and I'm angry, man. Probably ended up directing more of it at you than is fair, maybe not (I don't actually know you so I can't determine that). I think sometimes you make posts that are actually quite antagonistic (whether that is your intent or not), and then rather than own it, you retreat to 'hey, whoa there, I'm a nice guy!", and don't seem to get why people have responded to you with antagonism (it's because they felt your post was antagonistic). I guess time will tell if we've been conned by Trump. For the sake of everyone, I really hope not. I don't think one man can change anything, but one man can inspire and then the rest of us can take care of quite a bit. We will see. At times I was being an antagonist against Hillary. But it was a chicken or egg thing, who started it? I think the collective right now shows division, anger, etc. I am a bit tired of it so want to do things in a more productive way. If someone attacks something Trump did like it is the end all, I might reply in like. But even that is getting tiring for me. I think this will burn out of its own accord and then hopefully we can work on things in a more productive way, Trump or no Trump. The Republican vs Democrat thing was old for me when I was a kid almost, hard to believe it has continued for so long. It's not about assigning blame or who started it for me- all relationships and exchanges are co-created (it's a case of what do they do, what do I do, rather than 'it's your fault!'), so if each side understands what their intentions are and have awareness of how that's being received then both sides have a chance to connect or at least understand, rather than re-living the same argument over and over again. I guess the example that comes to mind is me and my sister used to always row about the money I lent her, and each time I'd try and sensitively broach the issue of when she was going to repay me, I didn't get why she flew off the handle. Took me a while to realize that although I was spending hours trying to think up ways to 'sensitively' raise the issue, I was basically coming from a place of "GIVE ME MY F****G MONEY!", and thats what she was picking up on and responding to! lol and well said! The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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