Posted by MaTT4281:

Tough loss, especially with blatant missed calls in the mix (Jeter caught stealing, Hinske called out at 2nd).

Still, Yanks take 3 of 4 for the Jays, are 1.5 behind Boston with 6 games left before the All Star break, and are playing some great ball with ARod coming back to life at the plate.

I didn't see the Hinske play but Jeter simply f'd up in the caught stealing. Umpires almost always call you out when the throw beats you by that much. If you're trying to steal 3rd with no outs, you better make it to the base before the catcher even releases the ball. Jeter's a great base-runner. I'll cut him slack but I'm not complaining about that call.

I definitely agree with you in your 2nd paragraph though. The team is playing very well and has as good a shot as any at winning the WS. They're not miles ahead of the competition like the late '90s teams were but they're way ahead of where they were last year.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by MaTT4281:

Tough loss, especially with blatant missed calls in the mix (Jeter caught stealing, Hinske called out at 2nd).

Still, Yanks take 3 of 4 for the Jays, are 1.5 behind Boston with 6 games left before the All Star break, and are playing some great ball with ARod coming back to life at the plate.

I didn't see the Hinske play but Jeter simply f'd up in the caught stealing. Umpires almost always call you out when the throw beats you by that much. If you're trying to steal 3rd with no outs, you better make it to the base before the catcher even releases the ball. Jeter's a great base-runner. I'll cut him slack but I'm not complaining about that call.

I definitely agree with you in your 2nd paragraph though. The team is playing very well and has as good a shot as any at winning the WS. They're not miles ahead of the competition like the late '90s teams were but they're way ahead of where they were last year.

They need to figure out something with their starting pitching though. It's a problem. Wang is almost a no go. At least for this season, you can't trust him. Joba is way too inconsistent, and Andy has been quite average and also inconsistent. It's nice that Burnett is doing better and CC is doing well besides his last start. However, we're going to need more from our other starters if we're going to talk about winning world series.

ROBBIE CANO - WHADDAYA KNOW!!! the RISP streak is over!!!

any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.

Posted by TMS:

any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.

The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one

Posted by TMS:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by TMS:

any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.

The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one

let's say the price is Hughes, Melky, Jackson & Montero, do you pull the trigger then?

I'd feel a little nauseous but I'd pull the trigger, yes, if they threw in Frasor too and probably yes if not... but I think they'd throw him with that package

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-08-2009 4:21 PM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

I know you're not asking me but I'll give a resounding yes anyway. As long as superstar position players like Teix are gonna be abundant in the FA market (and I see no reason for that to change), I have no reluctance trading a position player for a Cy Young level pitcher in his prime. I like Hughes a lot and would give him up for only something very special. IMO, however, the odds are in favor of Halladay giving us more Cy Young level starting pitching seasons than Hughes. I'd rather include Cano than Hughes even if we have to eat some of Cano's salary, play Pena and potentially Hinske at 2nd base, and sign the best available FA at 2nd base, though.

I am agreement with this post

The other thing is I am a firm believer in matching the length of assets. The way the Yankees are currently built, they're at this weird level where they'll always be competitive but fail to make the post season or come up short in the post season. I'm okay with given up future production of guys that need to learn the ropes, almost or are already ready for the bigs, and not ready to contribute to a contender yet and who knows if they'll ever produce. You can do that with one or two players, but I don't like it when half the team is a bunch of vets with 150,000 miles and the other half hasn't been driven off the lot.

A playoff rotation of CC, Halladay, and Burnett does it for me in a way where I would be a one man bukkake show that makes Peter North look like an amateur

no to halladay. cost will be too much.

i'm fine going with cc + aj + hottest pitcher in the postseason...

Posted by TMS:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Posted by TMS:

any one hear about the Doc Halladay to the Yanks trade rumors? i can't possibly imagine TOR trading their ace to us, & if they did it would take such an overwhelming package of talent i doubt it would be worth it.

The Yankees are favorites to win the World Series if they pull the trigger so, yes, I'd do it. Heavy price indeed but I still regret not landing Santana. The price looked hefty at the time but who knows how prospects turn out... Sox gave up a lot for Beckett and I don't think a single fan regrets that trade. The Yanks will need to essentially completely reload within the next five years and I'd take five years of sucking after to watch Jeter, Posada, and Mo win another one

let's say the price is Hughes, Melky, Jackson & Montero, do you pull the trigger then?

I'd feel a little nauseous but I'd pull the trigger, yes, if they threw in Frasor too and probably yes if not... but I think they'd throw him with that package

[Edited by - supremecommander on 07-08-2009 4:21 PM]

speaking for myself, i love Halladay but he's 32 right now & will probably gonna start on his decline in a year or 2... i realize having him on the team would improve our chances of winning the WS this year by a wide margin, but to go all in on a 1-2 year move & give up all that in young talent is a hard pill for me to swallow, especially now w/Hughes throwing as well as he is & Melky so clutch for us all year... if we could replace Hughes w/Kennedy in that package i'd say definitely yes, but you know TOR isn't biting on anything less than a mindblowingly great offer from us, & IMO even that original package i just proposed might not even be enough... they'd probably ask for both Hughes, Cano & another top prospect like Jax or Montero for Doc.

I feel you dude, I do. It's a lot to give up. But the Santana package seemed like a lot to give up and I regret that not happening. I would regret not getting Halladay even moreso because of his proven track record in the AL East--irregardless of hwo all the other players turn out. He's got 2-3 years left maybe as many 5. Who knows. But we know he's capable of winning a Cy Young for us...

That said I totally respect not wanting to give up a lot of value...

Posted by djsunyc:

no to halladay. cost will be too much.

i'm fine going with cc + aj + hottest pitcher in the postseason...

for the next 2 or 3 years the Yanks would almost assuredly win the first round with just hose three starting and Chamberlain moved to the pen for October and would be able to get 5 or 6 games out of two aces with a borderline third. That's awesome. And when Jeter, Posada, and Mo hang it up, the team will not be contending irregardless of who replaces them. Field the best team you can while they're playing or trade them to surround these young prospects more young prospects. I do not believe you can have it both ways and think it is a grave mistake to try

BTW, the Jays released BJ Ryan. Would anyone be interested in picking him up? He's struggled mightily this year and since his injury, but if he could settle in a bit he could be a great pickup