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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() smackeddog wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Maybe the Senate will be able to stop some of this. We will have 48 or 49 Dems, which means we need a couple of principled Republicans to join us. |
Welpee
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/22/2016 Member: #6239 |
![]() smackeddog wrote:Duke knows what he is. Earthmansurfer? Not so much.Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: |
holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
![]() Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: And they wonder why minorities are afraid... |
Welpee
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![]() Bonn1997 wrote:And the Trump supporters have no concern that racist are overwhelmingly supporting their candidate. As if they just pretend that David Duke doesn't exist. And before they throw the Robert Byrd talking point out there, dude was a KKK member in the 1940s when he was in his 20s and in his 30s he turned away from it and has repeatedly apologized and denounced his past views. Duke is an active racist in 2016. Slight difference.smackeddog wrote:Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: |
DrAlphaeus
Posts: 23751 Alba Posts: 10 Joined: 12/19/2007 Member: #1781 |
![]() earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:So the proof that Clinton rigged the polls is that she lost, and that she hasn't asked for a recount. And there you go again. More cute image macros and a flurry of Reddit tangents. Instead of addressing my specific questions about data and the assumptions made. If you are tired of the mainstream media, why are you copying their game book? Just because you've lied to by them doesn't mean you have license to lie to me and think I'm gonna put butter on it and eat it. Baba Booey 2016 — "It's Silly Season"
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markvmc
Posts: 21996 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2008 Member: #1797 |
![]() earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/ Why didn't I notice the story from the webpage with the big picture of Clinton as a puppet on strings? Why didn't I notice the site that says "here is the proof "(where proof is hyperlinked), and says this: "Smartmatic, the troubled Venezuelan-linked voting company recent partnered up (late 2014) with a firm called SGO. SGO is headed up by one Lord Mark Malloch-Brown. Brown, as it turns out, is a rather curious and troubling figure. Brown, you should know, has close ties to George Soros and rents a Soros owned house in New York. Brown gets a sweetheart deal at only $10,000 a month. He also serves as the VP of Soros’ hedge fund the Quantum Fund. In the US, Smartmatic has offered technology and support services to the Electoral Commissions of 307 counties in 16 States: But when you click on the link to see the source of this information, you just get sent to other right wing sites running the same story, with no documentation for these claims. Are they true? I have no idea. But you're willing to believe them just because some non-mainstream right wing website says they are. Why didn't I notice these? Because they present zero actual evidence for their preconceived views, and because they spread claims without checking them for truth, once those claims fit their agenda. |
earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
![]() markvmc wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/ Well, looking at Hillary's connections (only partly due to Wikileaks), I can see how she is a puppet on a string for the corporate world. Getting 250,000 USD an hour to speak (or something crazy like that). Getting donations of 25 million from States that fund terrorism. And Hillary's buddy George Soros being trending on Twitter because of "possible" ties to the riots. The problem with Mainstream media is they lure you in with (some) respectability, but rarely speak out against something (important) when it hurts their parent company, or shareholders, or politicians they favor, etc. Looks like MILLIONS are looking for new sources of information, because we are tired of the lies. Now, if any false information hurt Hillary, they basically created the problem. And that is no admission of guilt here. The Wikileaks are interesting facts and they are probably the straw that broke Clintons back. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
![]() markvmc wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/ There's a language barrier here. Some people have no appreciation for what "facts" and "evidence" truly mean. You are talking to a person whose single biggest issue was Hillary declaring war on Russia!!!! Facts be damned. I mean once they see something on Fox it must be true. Go back a couple of pages and see him making the case against Hillary where he can't even articulate what she did wrong but he is convinced of her guilt. HILARIOUS. And if you ask for evidence you'll get youtube links and then he'll ask you to do the research. I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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DrAlphaeus
Posts: 23751 Alba Posts: 10 Joined: 12/19/2007 Member: #1781 |
![]() earthmansurfer wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:So the proof that Clinton rigged the polls is that she lost, and that she hasn't asked for a recount. I think "preaching to the choir" is the idiom you are grasping for. We reap what we sow... So you are punishing U.K. posters for the sins of the mainstream media by posting crappy articles that reference Heritage Foundation funded hit jobs that reference polls funded by wineries in 2013 to help explain how illegal aliens (i.e. Hispanics) and George Soros are corrupting the vote in 2016? But regardless of this widespread corruption, we should all accept the result and marvel in the prowess of the President-Elect. The MSM traffics in BS to your mind, and you are gonna give as good as you got it. But when I challenge one of your claims to fact, I've missed the bigger point based on the aforementioned "fact", or need to do my own research and find some other click farm article based on the same shoddy assumptions... and failing that, you can't actually be bothered to answer the question, and can't ever say "wow I didn't notice that, you are right" so you'll say it was a joke or bombard us with cute memes from Reddit that made you chuckle in your other browser tab. Because mainstream media! Anyway... have fun with all that. Say hi to Clint Eastwood for us. To BRIGGS' original observation of Where (was) Hillary... a critique from the far left: Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Baba Booey 2016 — "It's Silly Season"
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Welpee
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/22/2016 Member: #6239 |
![]() meloshouldgo wrote:Yeah, his M.O. is prove his info wrong versus him proving what he posts is accurate. Basically prove the martians haven't invaded the earth.markvmc wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/ |
djsunyc
Posts: 44929 Alba Posts: 42 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #536 |
![]() Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: coming together, stronger than ever. |
meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
![]() Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Yeah, his M.O. is prove his info wrong versus him proving what he posts is accurate. Basically prove the martians haven't invaded the earth.markvmc wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/ Very elegantly stated!! I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
![]() meloshouldgo wrote:markvmc wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/ Is this pic below accurate? I know it is hindsight. Is it fake news? This is the kind of stuff we got to see from Mainstream for months, in one way or another. Imagine if MSM was Pro Trump in their polls, that would have motivated more people as it was an expressive movement. Hillary, like her or not, she just came across as more of the same, another politician. Her strongest point was being the first woman president. That isn't anything to rest your laurels on, she needed to show people something special and there were just the Wikileaks. That is her defining moment. Years of politics and you go out as the woman who Wikileaks took down. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
![]() "Head of Household" provision in danger as Trump try to justify tax cut for the rich...
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earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2005 Member: #858 Germany |
![]() DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:So the proof that Clinton rigged the polls is that she lost, and that she hasn't asked for a recount. LOL, I know "Preaching to the choir" but I was being creative. Give another credit. LOL, Really, you got me laughing out loud. Man, I don't want to punish UK posters! Really, I wanted to look deeper into things and for a time I felt like a Hillary antagonist (in part because of the Trump bashing) and then I thought to start looking at what Trump was saying. Was actually implied by someone here to me and I took that advice to heart, so to speak. When I looked into a lot of Trump, I felt hope, like there was a chance. We need a big change, we are in a rough situation in many peoples minds. IT is like the Collective conscience (or the like) is doing something. The Brexit, the problems in the EU, banking crisis all over, Trump victory and all the intense things happening in the world lately. I can't chalk this Trump thing up to chance. We "had this coming". The corruption was just getting too heavy. I have no evidence of it, but I wouldn't be shocked to hear that the CIA leaked those emails to Wikileaks to save the country from what they saw as a danger. I mean those weeks up to the election were like Watergate. That was intense for everyone, like a soap opera. But no, I honestly was not trying to give bull****. No way. I may have my moments like any human of not being... at the top of my game, but I don't intentionally lie. To find an article, read it and get something useful from it is nice. Then to read what people are saying and look at the different opinions. I did that on Reddit and got to experience Hillaries "Correct the Record" take place on the r/politics sub forum. (http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/correct-the-record/) Correct the Record literally changes things to their narrative if need be and targets Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and Instagram. That was when it hit me, how much of an influence the political system can have on information. If you care to there are tons of stories on this, but I experienced it, more blatantly than one can imagine. New moderators were deleting anything anti-Hillary or pro-Trump. I mean to the point where the front page was ALL pro Hillary and Anti trump. The stats showed that forum had more deleted posts than any other on reddit subforum. That was/is a well funded social campaign and it is admitted to. It is a Super Pac driven thing. That experience was a turning point. They literally closed down politics forum (Reddit is the #3 largest social site behind Facebook and Youtube). I think this time right now will go down big in American History, perhaps beautifully or not. Whomever came in right now has to take over a huge debt and a broken economy and a kind of or almost insolvent banking system (lol). Just seems like we are in a special time, I don't lost sight of that. Through the arguing/talks, it seems like something much much bigger is going on and we all are in the middle of it. I honestly feel, as do many others, relieved that we avoided war, a big one. The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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DrAlphaeus
Posts: 23751 Alba Posts: 10 Joined: 12/19/2007 Member: #1781 |
![]() earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:DrAlphaeus wrote:earthmansurfer wrote:markvmc wrote:So the proof that Clinton rigged the polls is that she lost, and that she hasn't asked for a recount. I get that you are excited about the possibilities of Trump. I understand your issues with Reddit moderation and don't doubt Clinton supporters would do some heavy-handed nonsense like that. Remember, I supported Sanders. By the way, you know Reddit is owned by Advance Publications, the same company that owns the Staten Island Advance and Conde Nast — Vogue, The New Yorker, GQ, etc. I reckon Reddit is itself part of the mainstream media. The Daily Signal was created in 2014 by the Heritage Foundation, a right wing DC think tank. Its bias was evident in that 13% article. That Daily Signal article seems legit — like your MSM tactic — linking to that poll while referencing "13%" — but he doesn't show how he got that data, and does he have to? Is any average Joe or Jill Reader really going to go through 60-something pages of charts to figure out how this guy came up with it? Then that article gets referred to by another article, and that article gets tweeted or put on Facebook and Reddit with a headline that doesn't have anything to do with the poll it is now 4 degrees away from. UK however is a passion project by average citizens. You don't have to be the Trump version of Correct the Record with us. You really don't seem to be taking my critique to heart. It's not about you not being "at the top of [your] game". It's obvious you have a serious confirmation bias. Sure, most everyone suffers from it, I have one as well. But we should all struggle against it and try to have a critical eye to all sorts of information, especially when using it in arguments and discussions. That 13% I keep harping about I'm sure you see as just one cracked brick, and you want me to look at the whole house — the "big picture". I'm saying maybe your house is built with a bunch of cracked bricks and has a faulty foundation. Equating "Hispanics" with "immigrants" and extrapolating 800 people into representing a population no one even knows the real number of reveals some very poor thinking and bad assumptions. An occasional occurrence or the very foundation of your beliefs? That's for you to examine. Baba Booey 2016 — "It's Silly Season"
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