NumberTwoPencil wrote:I should know to never click on this thread but, sigh, I did. My bad.

I used to smile when I saw politics discussed on UK. I'd think, well, some people think rather differently than I do. Some people are completely hoodwinked. Some people just aren't paying attention. But . . . but . . . overall, as a group, Ultimate Knicks folks are a bit more sensible than the rest of the country--maybe just because they are New Yorkers, but I'll take it--and sometimes it sounds to me like people here listen to each other once in a while and maybe, just maybe, in the long run, it will all be okay. Politics that showed up in UK once in a while made me happier than running into politics elsewhere. (And, whoa, since I basically work in politics, I try pretty hard to ignore politics when I'm not on the clock.)

But, okay, I just read the last 50 pages here and . . . I'm not sure I'm going to do that again any time soon. I just waded through some pretty crazy s**t, stuff that makes wonder if anyone in the whole city has a clue about how the city, the state, the nation run. I mean, yeah, okay, we can argue about Trump but, yo!, the level of complaint here makes me wonder if anyone knows, oh, who's on their community board, what the NY state senate voted on this year, or who our lt. governor might be. I mean so, so, so much energy is spent here on the crazy that I wonder if any is left over for the day-to-day politics that effect our lives (well, at least effect mine) in very direct ways. I mean, yeah, okay, we vote every couple of years for president, senator, and congresspersons but that takes, what?, an hour or two of our time every year?

From my point of view, all this extra energy spent arguing over national politics is a waste all around. Spend even a fraction of that energy on local politics . . . and you'll make a difference in a direct way. Yeah, sure, I get wound up over Trump but beyond voting what can I do about him? Protest, yes. Write letters, yes. But . . . if you feel that what's going on with Trump (for or against) is worth days of your time getting bend out of shape about then . . . spend those days getting appointed to a community board and fight him or help him. Campaign for a congressperson who will help him or fight him. I care--I'd fight Trump--but, whew, my energy, what I have left over outside of the office, is spent on politics and politicians and institutions that I can see and hear, at least once in a while, with my own eyes and ears.

Carry on. Just my two cents. I'm sticking with Knicks ball. As sad as the Knicks are, they aren't quite as sad as reading through this thread :)

Excellent advice. Thankfully Trump won so I don't have to join any community boards at the moment

gunsnewing wrote:I think its silly to be making such a huge fuss over 1mil extra votes out of 150mil votes. Again thank the lord for electorate. Thank you to our forefathers for having the incredible level of foresight to make sure All of America is represented. Not just Bonn but Dean out in Wyoming who is barely just getting by and can't provide for his family. The Electorate and the level of foresight is one of the reasons why we the United States of America are what we are. And why everyone around the globe wants to be here. It sure isn't to spend quality time with Bonn

The figure is actually closer 1.5 million votes which is 1.1% of the 124.4 million who voted..

Again, suppose the delegates decided Trump was a "man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications" and didn't honor the results of the electoral college. Wouldn't that be totally in line with what the "forefathers" intended to prevent?

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

markvmc wrote:So the proof that Clinton rigged the polls is that she lost, and that she hasn't asked for a recount.

I've heard it all now.

No, more this regarding the fraud:

Expert of voter fraud in Bev Harris says Hillary tried to steal election but lost. Start at 3:30 mark:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is5GrQwevhg
Votes were held back in Detroit, Wisconson, Michigan and Milwaukee, PE, and a bit more.
13% of illegals admit they vote, and quite a few were caught this election. http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/poll-13-of-illegal-aliens-admit-they-vote/
Soros connected to voting machine in 16 States.
5 or so States are still not releasing the scanned images of the ballots as required by law. (Indiana, Virginia, Washington st., Utah, Kansas)
There is evidence Hillary Stole 5 States but still lost (and yeah, MSM is dying now -The NY Times have issued and apology for their coverage)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqZvzGZuCo

I asked you if you were illegal on a sports site hidden behind anonymity and you basically accused me of being reckless and asked me why would you incriminate yourself like that and if I was a cop?

So I don't understand this 13% of illegals vote stat. What does it have to do with the 2016 presidential election? The figure assumes you first of all know the number of illegals to begin with, and then these illegals are admitting to pollsters that they not only are here illegally but voted illegally on top of that? I don't get why they would even do that.

The URL you posted refers to this article from the Daily Signal where he asserts this 13% figure: http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/02/poll-shows-noncitizens-can-shape-elections/

In that article there is a link to the poll: http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/lib/sitefiles/National_Hispanic_Presentation_06-21-13_-_FOR_RELEASE.pdf The methodology of this poll says: "This bi-lingual national survey of 800 Hispanics was conducted from June 5th through June 16th, 2013."

As I've said before, I'm not a stats guy. But I don't understand how the Daily Signal writer is getting this 13% figure. Can you look through that poll data and show me how he's getting that?

So to recap: I'm not sure how an article from 2015 about a poll from 2013 of 800 people can lead you to say with confidence "13% of illegals admit they vote". Because of what 800 Hispanics said on the phone to someone in 2013?

You know that "illegal immigrants" isn't synonymous with "Hispanics".

I'm honestly confused. Help me out earthmansurfer.

I've had too many people in this thread suddenly get friendly and then try to corner me, lol. It started getting old and then you ask me if I'm here legally? lol, seriously?
Hidden behind anonymity? They have my email. I'm not on TOR. Childs play easy; I think you know that...

The point with that article was that if they voted in the past (and since some were caught this last election - Was a video feed on the news online though I don't know which one now, it was live.) that it is likely to continue. There are many many articles out there on illegals voting. I'm not going to do stats now as it is bedtime.

Another quote, but different article and also from the past(but there are many many more.) If it is a concern to you, really, just do a search, the result list is long.

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden­tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen­sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691

The big deal is Bev Harris and the voting machines. Even though it is Alex Jones interviewing her, as I told Martin, listen to her words. Don't let the Alex part stop the message. This is a bit of a problem with Mainstream, they have certain boundries due to their deep ties with the establishment. Some things they won't touch till they have to.

So you didn't answer my questions about that 13% stat. I can't figure how a poll of 800 Hispanics in 2013 gives you any insight on the illegal immigrant population as a whole. Do you still want to stand behind it? I'm not going to waste my time following your links until you answer what I think are fair queries about that 13% stat. Did you even take the time to glance at the poll data like I did?

You want me to go through a 63 page study and answer a question for you? I'm not a stats guy either. That stuff burns me out. The original article makes sense and is not anything really shocking. They extrapolated out, is all it looks like, regarding polling 800 hispanics in 2013 and applying it to a larger sample. If you want answers on stats, really, ask a stats guy.

If you want your standard of judging me and my posts, to be based on that one article, that is fine. No offense taken.

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

markvmc wrote:So the proof that Clinton rigged the polls is that she lost, and that she hasn't asked for a recount.

I've heard it all now.

No, more this regarding the fraud:

Expert of voter fraud in Bev Harris says Hillary tried to steal election but lost. Start at 3:30 mark:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is5GrQwevhg
Votes were held back in Detroit, Wisconson, Michigan and Milwaukee, PE, and a bit more.
13% of illegals admit they vote, and quite a few were caught this election. http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/poll-13-of-illegal-aliens-admit-they-vote/
Soros connected to voting machine in 16 States.
5 or so States are still not releasing the scanned images of the ballots as required by law. (Indiana, Virginia, Washington st., Utah, Kansas)
There is evidence Hillary Stole 5 States but still lost (and yeah, MSM is dying now -The NY Times have issued and apology for their coverage)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqZvzGZuCo

You are concerned about Hillary's phantom voter fraud as Wall Street bankers are turning the revolving doors at Trump Tower hourly today...

Nah, I'm mostly concerned with the voting machines. The illegal alien part will most likely work itself out and was just part of a bigger picture. I'm not into big banks stealing from people, as they have profusely been doing since the Federal Reserve was created, but they recently kicked it into high gear (2008 ish) with QE. I'm gonna give Trump some time as he knows what he is doing. Time will tell. I just want a better America, world actually. If that happens with whomever, I'm happy. Wasn't gonna happen with Hillary though.

Trump isn't even in office and yet things are already getting better (Was it 5 hours after his election Win that TTP was dropped, then TTIP is dropping, then talks with Russia to work together, etc). And yet the hate doesn't stop. How bout him kicking out the lobbyists you complained about? Thought that would make you happy but I get the feeling this board is more about Hillary vs Trump still and not making things in America better. It has gotten personal. Such is politics I guess.

You were concerned about spending, Wall Street and wars in the past but no longer...Good.. Trump aligning with Wall Street bankers helps me personally...Repeal of Dodd-Frank and massive spending will help banks and the stock market...TPP will happen in some form is my bet, Wall Street wants it because 40% of the S&P make a big chunk their money abroad and they have to beat out China to controlling Asia, one of Trump's concerns..Just wanted to point out the your hypocrisy and the people you support...

The little people will find out that Trump can bring their coal mining jobs back soon enough because natural gas is cheaper and cleaner, it's economics...

You not only take things out of context but further you put words in my mouth (again and again). Do you work for CNN or something?

What drove me to Hillary, was my fear of her starting WWIII. Biggest issue I mentioned. (Of those things I mentioned above, the voting machines were the biggest concern - post win.)

We won, check, that worry mostly resolved. Now, talking about other issues.

I'm not sure what to think about regarding Wall St. It is a concern, but I am not sure why he is doing it and I don't understand it all.

He got rid of the lobbyists but what information did he get from them first? My point is, you can't micro manage every move as what seems like bending, might not be.

He isn't even in office yet but already has done more than any of the last few presidents had done in their first few months.
There are complaints that Trump is a racist, but all the videos I see or articles I read, regarding violence, are of people beating up Trump supporters.

Yeah, there will be a replacement for TPP and TTIP, but not one that F's us as badly (and by "us" I mean people in general.)

So, you didn't point out hypocrisy, you created it.

You kind of seem angry in general. I get it, the country is divided but where does it take us? What is your agenda? Really, you want to go with the popular vote or ?
My agenda is mostly going forward, giving the guy a chance and putting Hillary and the other crooks in jail.

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

markvmc wrote:So the proof that Clinton rigged the polls is that she lost, and that she hasn't asked for a recount.

I've heard it all now.

No, more this regarding the fraud:

Expert of voter fraud in Bev Harris says Hillary tried to steal election but lost. Start at 3:30 mark:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is5GrQwevhg
Votes were held back in Detroit, Wisconson, Michigan and Milwaukee, PE, and a bit more.
13% of illegals admit they vote, and quite a few were caught this election. http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/poll-13-of-illegal-aliens-admit-they-vote/
Soros connected to voting machine in 16 States.
5 or so States are still not releasing the scanned images of the ballots as required by law. (Indiana, Virginia, Washington st., Utah, Kansas)
There is evidence Hillary Stole 5 States but still lost (and yeah, MSM is dying now -The NY Times have issued and apology for their coverage)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqZvzGZuCo

I asked you if you were illegal on a sports site hidden behind anonymity and you basically accused me of being reckless and asked me why would you incriminate yourself like that and if I was a cop?

So I don't understand this 13% of illegals vote stat. What does it have to do with the 2016 presidential election? The figure assumes you first of all know the number of illegals to begin with, and then these illegals are admitting to pollsters that they not only are here illegally but voted illegally on top of that? I don't get why they would even do that.

The URL you posted refers to this article from the Daily Signal where he asserts this 13% figure: http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/02/poll-shows-noncitizens-can-shape-elections/

In that article there is a link to the poll: http://www.mclaughlinonline.com/lib/sitefiles/National_Hispanic_Presentation_06-21-13_-_FOR_RELEASE.pdf The methodology of this poll says: "This bi-lingual national survey of 800 Hispanics was conducted from June 5th through June 16th, 2013."

As I've said before, I'm not a stats guy. But I don't understand how the Daily Signal writer is getting this 13% figure. Can you look through that poll data and show me how he's getting that?

So to recap: I'm not sure how an article from 2015 about a poll from 2013 of 800 people can lead you to say with confidence "13% of illegals admit they vote". Because of what 800 Hispanics said on the phone to someone in 2013?

You know that "illegal immigrants" isn't synonymous with "Hispanics".

I'm honestly confused. Help me out earthmansurfer.

I've had too many people in this thread suddenly get friendly and then try to corner me, lol. It started getting old and then you ask me if I'm here legally? lol, seriously?
Hidden behind anonymity? They have my email. I'm not on TOR. Childs play easy; I think you know that...

The point with that article was that if they voted in the past (and since some were caught this last election - Was a video feed on the news online though I don't know which one now, it was live.) that it is likely to continue. There are many many articles out there on illegals voting. I'm not going to do stats now as it is bedtime.

Another quote, but different article and also from the past(but there are many many more.) If it is a concern to you, really, just do a search, the result list is long.

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden­tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen­sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=691

The big deal is Bev Harris and the voting machines. Even though it is Alex Jones interviewing her, as I told Martin, listen to her words. Don't let the Alex part stop the message. This is a bit of a problem with Mainstream, they have certain boundries due to their deep ties with the establishment. Some things they won't touch till they have to.

So you didn't answer my questions about that 13% stat. I can't figure how a poll of 800 Hispanics in 2013 gives you any insight on the illegal immigrant population as a whole. Do you still want to stand behind it? I'm not going to waste my time following your links until you answer what I think are fair queries about that 13% stat. Did you even take the time to glance at the poll data like I did?

You want me to go through a 63 page study and answer a question for you? I'm not a stats guy either. That stuff burns me out. The original article makes sense and is not anything really shocking. They extrapolated out, is all it looks like, regarding polling 800 hispanics in 2013 and applying it to a larger sample. If you want answers on stats, really, ask a stats guy.

If you want your standard of judging me and my posts, to be based on that one article, that is fine. No offense taken.

You can't take one poll of 800 Hispanics in 2013 and extrapolate out to determine what 11 million undocumented immigrants did in 2016. At least not if you're trying to make a serious argument.

That article was not a smoking gun, it was just pointing to the problem. Maybe they did something wrong. Just look to other sources.
Like many people, we can't just fully trust MSM and must look elsewhere.

Most of the illegal votes were in states with no voter ID laws such as California and New York.
It is no wonder the liberals are so against requiring voters prove that they are eligible to vote.

Milo.Yiannopoulos.Net reports:
The organization’s founder Gregg Phillips said they reached that number after analyzing a whopping 180 million voter registrations from across the country.

VoteFraud.org is reporting that more than three million illegal immigrants voted in the election. They are joining TrueTheVote in taking legal action.

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holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/

EMS, why don't you apply any of your media skepticism towards the sources you cite?

Your argument is one of semantics. I stand corrected, he doesn't outright own them, he just has influence over the owner, lol.

InSmartmatic, the troubled Venezuelan-linked voting company recent partnered up (late 2014) with a firm called SGO. SGO is headed up by one Lord Mark Malloch-Brown. Brown, as it turns out, is a rather curious and troubling figure. Brown, you should know, has close ties to George Soros and rents a Soros owned house in New York. Brown gets a sweetheart deal at only $10,000 a month. He also serves as the VP of Soros’ hedge fund the Quantum Fund. In

the US, Smartmatic has offered technology and support services to the Electoral Commissions of 307 counties in 16 States:
Arizona California Colorado District of Columbia Florida Illinois Louisiana Michigan Missouri New Jersey Nevada Oregon Pennsylvania Virginia Washington Wisconsin

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/george-soros-hillary-clinton-voter-fraud/

So, my question to you is, why didn't you notice this?

Because fake news is the story of this election..More people spent time on fake news this election cycle than any other in history..You champion fake news sites..

Main Stream is dead. More and more people just don't trust it. Now, if everything outside of that corrupt and corporate driven network is fake, then we got bigger problems.
But that doesn't appear to be the case.

And who decides what is fake? Let's just actually investigate some of these stories. Let MSM look into it and report on it. They don't touch certain things, just too much for them.
We need to fix things and if MSM doesn't fix their part, they are gone.
Wikileaks is WAAAAAAAYYYYY more accurate than MSM, lol.

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

markvmc wrote:In case anyone is still inclined to take the Soros voting machine nonsense seriously, see here. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/31/sean-duffy/wisconsin-congressman-fuels-soros-voting-machine-r/

EMS, why don't you apply any of your media skepticism towards the sources you cite?

Your argument is one of semantics. I stand corrected, he doesn't outright own them, he just has influence over the owner, lol.

InSmartmatic, the troubled Venezuelan-linked voting company recent partnered up (late 2014) with a firm called SGO. SGO is headed up by one Lord Mark Malloch-Brown. Brown, as it turns out, is a rather curious and troubling figure. Brown, you should know, has close ties to George Soros and rents a Soros owned house in New York. Brown gets a sweetheart deal at only $10,000 a month. He also serves as the VP of Soros’ hedge fund the Quantum Fund. In

the US, Smartmatic has offered technology and support services to the Electoral Commissions of 307 counties in 16 States:
Arizona California Colorado District of Columbia Florida Illinois Louisiana Michigan Missouri New Jersey Nevada Oregon Pennsylvania Virginia Washington Wisconsin

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/george-soros-hillary-clinton-voter-fraud/

So, my question to you is, why didn't you notice this?

Because fake news is the story of this election..More people spent time on fake news this election cycle than any other in history..You champion fake news sites..

Main Stream is dead. More and more people just don't trust it. Now, if everything outside of that corrupt and corporate driven network is fake, then we got bigger problems.
But that doesn't appear to be the case.

And who decides what is fake? Let's just actually investigate some of these stories. Let MSM look into it and report on it. They don't touch certain things, just too much for them.
We need to fix things and if MSM doesn't fix their part, they are gone.
Wikileaks is WAAAAAAAYYYYY more accurate than MSM, lol.

Welpee wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I think its silly to be making such a huge fuss over 1mil extra votes out of 150mil votes. Again thank the lord for electorate. Thank you to our forefathers for having the incredible level of foresight to make sure All of America is represented. Not just Bonn but Dean out in Wyoming who is barely just getting by and can't provide for his family. The Electorate and the level of foresight is one of the reasons why we the United States of America are what we are. And why everyone around the globe wants to be here. It sure isn't to spend quality time with Bonn

So explain again why the voter in Wyoming should have their vote carry 362% more weight than the voter in California? And as far as representation, why is it that the residents of D.C. have zero voting representation in the house or senate in spite of having a larger population than Vermont or Wyoming? And finally please spare us yet another myth about "foresight" when this electoral college system was designed. The system was designed because they didn't trust the citizens and added an extra layer to the process to override the will of the people when appropriate (convenient).

Yet, nobody is trying to duplicate our presidential voting process (because it's absurd). Again, I encourage you to read about the John Quincy Adams vs Andrew Jackson election in 1824 and then lecture us about the "foresight" of the electoral college. Jackson won the popular vote and got the most electoral votes and STILL lost the election.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. Winston Churchill

Average voter absolutely should not be trusted.
Welpee - you are a good example - you are not listening to any arguments and your views is basically some kind of political fate.
gunsnewing - it is no point to debate with people who have faith. Faith is believe which do not required logic an cannot be changed.

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