martin wrote:

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That's the Randle I remember being very happy trading. There is also the other Randle that shows up on contract year and right after being traded.

BlueKnickers wrote:

Nalod wrote:Curious about Jules and minny hate: WE talk about how bad they are, but not credit SAS who kicked their asses? Wolves had a good season. They got this far.

Wemby on defense is some next level **** we can't fathom yet. Him and the Spur get no credit for making Jules look bad?

That is not relevant. SAS is the better team overall and the fact that Minny won any games at all considering their depleted state is actually kind of impressive.

But it has zero correlation with criticisms of a player known for plunging into deep wells of despair when their shot is not falling and who is very well known for quitting on his team when those funks occur.

That Randle's moods are so firmly fixed to his own personal offensive stats and that he barely even qualifies as a street pylon on defense is the issue.

Randle is a loser and Minnesota has players with real fight in them, but Randle is not one of them. You don't see anyone calling out Naz Reid instead of Randle for a reason. It is not just that Randle is a former Knick, it is that his history of failure to give two sh1ts about his team when under pressure is well established.

Apprecite the effort!
Jules does have some bad looks!
and......In the end KAT for DDV was a hell of a trade for us! Took time to sort it out as both teams have faired well.
Jules might have a personality issue? Depression? BiPolar? He is very inconsistent. The talent is there but the effort is varialbe. Maybe I have a hard time demonizing him into absolute labels because of it?
THis has plagued him his career and why he has not been able to stay at a certain level. His contracts are often seen as "sacrifice" but perhaps his teams understand this and he is paid accordingly.

Nalod wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Nalod wrote:Curious about Jules and minny hate: WE talk about how bad they are, but not credit SAS who kicked their asses? Wolves had a good season. They got this far.

Wemby on defense is some next level **** we can't fathom yet. Him and the Spur get no credit for making Jules look bad?

That is not relevant. SAS is the better team overall and the fact that Minny won any games at all considering their depleted state is actually kind of impressive.

But it has zero correlation with criticisms of a player known for plunging into deep wells of despair when their shot is not falling and who is very well known for quitting on his team when those funks occur.

That Randle's moods are so firmly fixed to his own personal offensive stats and that he barely even qualifies as a street pylon on defense is the issue.

Randle is a loser and Minnesota has players with real fight in them, but Randle is not one of them. You don't see anyone calling out Naz Reid instead of Randle for a reason. It is not just that Randle is a former Knick, it is that his history of failure to give two sh1ts about his team when under pressure is well established.

Apprecite the effort!
Jules does have some bad looks!
and......In the end KAT for DDV was a hell of a trade for us! Took time to sort it out as both teams have faired well.
Jules might have a personality issue? Depression? BiPolar? He is very inconsistent. The talent is there but the effort is varialbe. Maybe I have a hard time demonizing him into absolute labels because of it?
THis has plagued him his career and why he has not been able to stay at a certain level. His contracts are often seen as "sacrifice" but perhaps his teams understand this and he is paid accordingly.

Man I really like Randal, it’s one thing to be super talented in another to be constantly a star.

He’s also a really great guy always donating money for charity and things … he would be a stud 6th man .

He has a lot of tales of two half’s . Great rebounder and court vision sometimes is fantastic… will always be grateful as he was a big reason we became relevant again.

Wish him all the best once a Knick always a Knick .

Anyone else catch that abc sent said cavs vs Knicks this Tuesday ? It would be really weird if the Cavs win game 7 lol. The conspiracy theorist will have a field day !!

Nalod wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Nalod wrote:Curious about Jules and minny hate: WE talk about how bad they are, but not credit SAS who kicked their asses? Wolves had a good season. They got this far.

Wemby on defense is some next level **** we can't fathom yet. Him and the Spur get no credit for making Jules look bad?

That is not relevant. SAS is the better team overall and the fact that Minny won any games at all considering their depleted state is actually kind of impressive.

But it has zero correlation with criticisms of a player known for plunging into deep wells of despair when their shot is not falling and who is very well known for quitting on his team when those funks occur.

That Randle's moods are so firmly fixed to his own personal offensive stats and that he barely even qualifies as a street pylon on defense is the issue.

Randle is a loser and Minnesota has players with real fight in them, but Randle is not one of them. You don't see anyone calling out Naz Reid instead of Randle for a reason. It is not just that Randle is a former Knick, it is that his history of failure to give two sh1ts about his team when under pressure is well established.

Apprecite the effort!
Jules does have some bad looks!
and......In the end KAT for DDV was a hell of a trade for us! Took time to sort it out as both teams have faired well.
Jules might have a personality issue? Depression? BiPolar? He is very inconsistent. The talent is there but the effort is varialbe. Maybe I have a hard time demonizing him into absolute labels because of it?
THis has plagued him his career and why he has not been able to stay at a certain level. His contracts are often seen as "sacrifice" but perhaps his teams understand this and he is paid accordingly.

Yes, it was a great trade despite losing Donte.

Yes, Julius has some kind of mental health issue. The swings are very extreme so it does appear bipolar in nature. I cannot blame a player for their chemical imbalances, but I can speak of their effort and demeanor on court and their tendencies to stand around arms down on defense and to quit on the team.

His imbalances are likely the cause and I criticize the effect for two reasons:

(1) He has gotten professional help in the past apparently so if he is not pursuing it now or if he was on his meds and went off them then that is something relatively within his control; and (2) coaching and management need to step in and bench a player who is quitting on his team and get to the root of it.

His kind of depression is scary to watch live in a sports arena. He obviously feels like garbage and tens of millions of eyes are on him when he's in that state. It must be a living hell.

Which is why he should not even be suited up if that is his state. He clearly needs professional help.

As a fan I cannot tolerate watching that level of resignation on a court. It is not my job to fix Randle. He and his team need to take care of that. Until then, get off my TV screen with that level of loser behavior.

As far as his character on the court goes (he may be a decent man with his family, donating to charities, etc.), that every mood swing and eventual descent into depression is so clearly triggered by his failure to score, I think his priorities as a player are inherently me first and quite selfish. There were countless games as a Knick where we won and he walked off the court despondent because he had a poor game himself. The only time I saw him celebrating a victory with his teammates was when he played a major role in getting the win. AFAIK, Randall is only concerned about his stats, not about his team's destiny. Anyone who has watched hundreds of his games has to know this about him.

I'm glad he's someone elses problem and I hope he gets help. I don't think he's a bad person even if I question his character in terms of basketball priorities, but he is toxic to his teammates when his mood swings kick in. When he is locked into his depressions his coping skills are of a young child and it genuinely scary to witness. I'll never forget his rages on the court as a Knick. I think even Thibs was afraid of him and he let him wander off down the court during huddles instead of telling him to join his team during timeouts.

martin wrote:

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All of which is the result of locking in defensively for easier buckets.

This may not be a team that has to prioritize pace as much as other clubs as long as they bring their A game on D. Then they'll be up on the charts like that.

Pace-wise, I do think we're getting it over the half-court line a little sooner in general. And with less ISO from Brunson and going through KAT more, the ball movement has been maximized which tends to up the pace. Guys will run upcourt faster and find open spots on the floor with more vigor when they know their teammates will find them.

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Philc1 wrote:I don;t know if I want Cavs over pistons. They have guys like Strus and Schroeder who historically have killed the Knicks.

I agree. I'd rather play the pistons