foosballnick wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Nalod wrote:
OG is a great fit for what Knicks are wanting to do.

What are the Knicks wanting to do? Win a chip with the Big Three of Randle-Brunson-Anunoby?

It's like me wanting to become a billionaire by operating a falafel shop.

Knicks wanted to improve the defense and felt maybe open up the talent they already had on offense.

You should make the best falafel you can. so good the line is out the door. Then you get a bigger place. if succeeding, open more locations and standardize the process so food quality does not decline. It takes time and hard work. No starphuching the Falafel.
Good locations sometimes have higher rents. its a trade off.

If RJ was to stay the same, and We paid IQ and kept him off the bench, would we be better?
Then we have to pay others and due them raises too. Do we get better?

Not like we broke up a contending team. Its a work in progress. I don't think we win a chip with these three. one has to ask ones self "what don't I know?"
To me, our ceiling is higher and cap flexible. No guarantee.

To me, once the other shoe drops and we sign OG to the contract he wants, we lose flexibility for good. You could argue that with IQ we would have faced the same issue, but I rather think that trading a younger dynamic scoring PG on a $20m/yr contract would have been easier than trading an older defensive specialist at the SF spot on a $35m/yr contract.
Yes, we have kept our stockpile of first rounders, but how much are they really worth? Given our FO's reluctance to add a rookie from the lower tiers of the first round, probably not much.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't OG's salary essentially replacing RJ's salary slot? When you compare tradeability, that should be your comparison. IQ salary would be on top of that.

Yes! This is the key number- not how much OG will make but how much more than RJ. With RJ Randle and a center on the floor, spacing will always be an issue. Moving OG for RJ isn't just about the individual numbers. I think Knicks have got their core guys of Brunson Randle Hart and DDV and OG will be added to that group. Robinson/ iHart, Grimes and Deuce are also almost there. There's still a lot of season left- the biggest draw back I see so far are the big minutes played by our starters- sustainable in the playoffs but not really over the season. I wonder if Fournier for Burks is worth exploring as a short term fix to bring some scoring to the bench.

Nalod wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:RJ is shooting 54% and 53% in 4 games with Raptors.

You believing those #s or the 42% and 34% shot over 4.5 years?

Too early to say. But if he sustains his percentages like this, it would be incontrovertible proof that our offensive schemes suck and he was not used here properly.

I think that was pretty much established when it was said he and Randle don't have chemistry and one had to go.
RJ succeeding in Toronto does not mean knicks failed with him. Knicks success hinges on OG fitting in. RJ and IQ will do well in Toronto.

Good way to put it

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Sorry. I f—-ing love this trade. I hate the headline on this and think folks should be welcoming OG with open arms.

1) Guy is a perennial All-NBA defense contender. He guards 4 positions. You basically took a mediocre defender and replaced it with a 7’2 wingspan above average efficiency shooter TS% .598

2) This is not the same situation as Toronto for OG. He basically can have some combination of IQ and Barrett’s shots straight up.

3) IQ and Barrett were likely to make 50mm combined next season. I have OG at 35mm. We will see if this is a net savings.

4) His 37% from 3 will result in more point per possession. Huge wingspan, can release much higher. Will spread the floor better than RJ.

I am gonna miss Quick. We may really regret moving him. For sure. But he deserves to start somewhere and I just don’t see us moving Brunson.

I think that Murray trade is coming soon too.

I'm in this kool aid drinking boat.

Pretty sure this kool aid earned out.

I’m drunk on the kool aid

martin wrote:Deep fried crow. Sauteed crow. Crow pie.

Some of my favs.

Crow kebab. Forgot that one.

It might just be my perception, but it feels like an absurdly high % of his shots have been assisted.

I think this sort of play is contagious. When players think they'll actually be on the receiving end, I think players cut harder and more crisply. Prior to the trade, I think the Knicks had a lot of phases where our stars would get into hero ball/isolation mode.

KnickDanger wrote:RJ and IQ had good games for the Raptors again last night in 1 point loss to Lakers. Will “Adulting” be the next big NBA trend?

Just for the smart FO's

SergioNYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:I like to keep coming back here and to this thread to read about just how BAD this trade and this player are. Thanks again MS!

You're not batting 100% either man.

MS doesnt like the FO, doesnt like Thibs, doesnt like Randle and will mention our low ceilings because of this every chance he gets. Im super comfortable with gloating when the Knicks are on the winning side of whatever.

Bottom line is this FO shows patience once again. Not only did they wait and get a very team friendly OG deal (who's an amazing fit) but they seemed to know exactly what they had w/ McBride and extended/elevated him immediately post trade and that's also looking GREAT.

We still dont have Jokic, Giannis, Curry or Luka so who cares right?

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Deep fried crow. Sauteed crow. Crow pie.

Some of my favs.

Crow kebab. Forgot that one.

Favorite Bird: Crow
Favorite Dessert: Crow Pie
Favorite Country: Crowatia
Favorite Tool: CrowBar
Favorite Hominid: CrowMagnum Man
Favorite Crustacean: CrowDaddy
Favorite Syndication: CrowFunding
Favorite Celestial Event: CrowTal Eclipse
Favorite Player: Crow G Anunoby

Sorry. Got carried away. By a crow.

Wait for the playoffs and the summer FA market.