smackeddog wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Remember that time we traded the 21 pick for the Charlotte pick and then traded the Charlotte pick for Reddish only to not play Reddish. That was fun.

Reminds me of that time we passed on Jalen Duren with the 11 pick for unknown with the idea we were getting the 13 pick and then Detroit swooped in and took the 13 pick instead and then felt sorry so they took Kemba off our hands.

I couldn’t be more unsatisfied.

And then tried to trade Reddish 2 weeks later to try and dump Burkes, to free up playing time for... Reddish. It's at that point I realized there is no ingenious 4d master plan. They simply craft Plan A, Plan B, Plan C and Plan B in every case by case situation, set their price for each and then methodically/tediously work their way down through each failing plan until they get to the contingency plan that they can execute. Sure, they 'hope' ultimately a star becomes available, but that's a hope not a master plan

Actually, we included Reddish in a proposed deal for 35 yr old Goran f****** Dragic to appease this coach and chase the 10th seed

Uptown wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Remember that time we traded the 21 pick for the Charlotte pick and then traded the Charlotte pick for Reddish only to not play Reddish. That was fun.

Reminds me of that time we passed on Jalen Duren with the 11 pick for unknown with the idea we were getting the 13 pick and then Detroit swooped in and took the 13 pick instead and then felt sorry so they took Kemba off our hands.

I couldn’t be more unsatisfied.

And then tried to trade Reddish 2 weeks later to try and dump Burkes, to free up playing time for... Reddish. It's at that point I realized there is no ingenious 4d master plan. They simply craft Plan A, Plan B, Plan C and Plan B in every case by case situation, set their price for each and then methodically/tediously work their way down through each failing plan until they get to the contingency plan that they can execute. Sure, they 'hope' ultimately a star becomes available, but that's a hope not a master plan

Actually, we included Reddish in a proposed deal for 35 yr old Goran f****** Dragic to appease this coach and chase the 10th seed

Now, trade Randle and I will be happy.

In the meantime enjoy that warm damp sensation!

NYKBocker wrote:I am actually not that upset. We got some draft capital. We got some cap space. They tried to get Ivey and when that didn't happen they punted. We have a lot of youngins. Hopefully, we try to get Brunson or Donovan Mitchell.

Now, trade Randle and I will be happy.

I can't help but feel a little disappointed, the cost to dump Kemba seems like a big overpay.

Aside from that, I didn't really care much about this draft and am fine with trading out of it - we've got a good pool of youth on the roster already that we need to develop and see what we've got. Those protected 1sts still carry value in our war chest - see the "1st" we traded for Cam.

Net net, it doesn't feel like last night really impacted us positively or negatively. Tempering my expectations in Free Agency (I don't particularly want Brunson, but I guess I'd rather make a play with cap space than a sign and trade...)

BigDaddyG wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:I really did not like anyone that much after Davis was taken at 10 so trading out for 3 picks next year is not the end of the world. The 2023 draft projects to be better. I just don't like adding a 1st just to get rid of Kemba, who was an expiring contract. But now this regime HAS to come away with Brunson. No excuses. Cause there aren't any other great free agent PGs available, unless you want to take a risk on Sexton.

There's a good chance that the Milwaukee pick is the only first that conveys. I'm high on Brunson, tho I'm a bit squeamish about giving him $25M per. If they bring in Brunson, the cap situation is worse and they're still looking at a play-in...at best. I'll wait to see the next steps, but I'm not optimistic.

Anyway... we arent trading for a star. Nobody gives a phuck about collecting 4 FRPs that are all protected for years to come. Great for drafting role players.

RJ will get his big money after Brunson is signed, we resign Mitch, use the extra picks to move Noel/Burks to get Brunson in here. So we will basically be a hard capped team with some modest future draft assets and a core of:
SL: Brunson/RJ/Fournier/Randle/Mitch
Bench: Rose/IQ/Obi/Grimes/Reddish/Sims/McBride

Thibs will get them to play hard and win enough regular season games to avoid a play in maybe even before getting smoked in the first round, but we will be a playoff team and talking about how close we are to the next level bla bla bla bla

Maybe we get lucky and IQ/Obi/Grimes etc pops and we get lucky with a bigtime player.

BRIGGS wrote:Knicks think they know basketball better than the entire league. That’s exactly how they acted— they blew up the draft after Johnny Davis was gone. Knicks smarter than Sam presti Knicks smarter than Memphis golden state Miami et al who were not out there dumping much later picks.the Knicks really made a big bet on there own as is team. That’s it

I almost agree- the issue is Knicks exceptionalism where we seem to think the normal rules of the nba don't apply to us. Nearly every other team knows when you have nothing you have to tank to get a high chance at a franchise changing talent multiple years- see how it bears fruits for the Rockets, Pistons, OKC. See how it paid off for the Raptors the previous season. Instead we seem to think building a winning culture is the answer. Good luck! How about you land franchise changing talent via tanking THEN establish a winning culture after you've established a development culture (the latter of which at least we seem to be doing okay). Instead we had the madness of trying to win games well after it was clear we weren't doing anything, as a result we ended up with a s*** pick and couldn't execute the trade we wanted as a result. What did we learn? To try and win again next season. Brilliant.

Chandler wrote:
can someone fill me in on the real cost of the Kemba dump

wasn't it just Denver's pick in 23 but we got Milwaukee's in 25. (plus a bunch of seconds)

Yeah, essentially it was a pick swap (the first rounder- NOT giving up a first), and 4 seconds.

This had the best explanation:

Draft night for the New York Knicks is usually pretty simple: they make a pick their fans hate, the fans boo it like crazy and the the fans' negative reaction then becomes a story of its own. Thursday night was not so straightforward, as the Knicks were the busiest team in the 2022 NBA Draft.

They pulled off three separate trades that had players and picks flying all over the place, and it took hours to figure out all of the details. Now that the dust has settled, let's take a closer look at all the moves the Knicks made on Thursday.

Knicks-Thunder trade
Knicks receive:

2023 first round pick via Detroit (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
2023 first round pick via Washington (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)
Thunder receive:

No. 11 pick (Ousmane Dieng)
The Knicks had the No. 11 pick entering the night, and there was a lot of talk about them potentially moving up. Instead, they decided to trade out of the first round by sending that pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for three future first rounders. While the Knicks do need help now, getting three first round picks in exchange for one is pretty good value.

Knicks-Hornets trade
Knicks receive:

No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)

Hornets receive:
2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)
2023 second round pick via New York
2023 second round pick via Utah
2023 second round pick (most favorable pick between Dallas and Miami)
2024 second round pick via New York
Shortly after completing the deal with the Thunder, the Knicks then got back on the phone and worked out a trade with the Charlotte Hornets. They took the 2023 first via Denver they got in the Thunder trade, and packaged it with four future seconds for the No. 13 overall pick, who would become Jalen Duren.

Knicks-Pistons trade
Knicks receive:

2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
Pistons receive:

No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)
Kemba Walker
Finally, the Knicks then flipped the No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren) and Kemba Walker to the Detroit Pistons in a third deal. In return, the Knicks got a 2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee, which the Pistons had previously acquired in the Jerami Grant trade earlier this week.

Final haul for the Knicks
2023 first round pick via Detroit (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
2023 first round pick via Washington (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4)
$18 million in cap space
After all the wheeling and dealing, the Knicks closed the night with three future first-round picks and some extra cap space. It's no secret that they're going to use that money to try and sign Jalen Brunson in free agency. They recently hired his dad as an assistant coach, and now have enough cap space to make a competitive offer. There's no guarantee that they get him, but they have a much better chance now than before the draft.

The question, though, is whether their tunnel vision for a chance to sign Brunson clouded their judgement. A lottery pick seems like a steep price to pay to jettison Walker's contract and enter the Brunson sweepstakes. It's easy to make a case that they would have been better off just making the first two trades. In that scenario, they keep Duren and walk away with two extra future firsts. As for the cap space situation, they could have figured something else out later.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-draft-breaking-down-the-knicks-three-separate-trades-after-moving-kemba-walker/

Honestly, other than not getting your sugar rush, I don't understand the fuss. Maybe it's just Knicks fans just being addicted to their misery.