nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Only one team had more than one all nba player on their roster in 2005-6 and that was the Suns. I would expect a team like that to make a run and get into the conference finals especially if one of the players was the MVP,
They h ad multiple all nba players because MDA got the most out of them. It's not like they were all nba players before joining MDA. If you look at that roster, it's definitely not a championship level roster. It has too many weaknesses. I don't think anyone could have gotten more out of it than MDA did.
Both Nash and Marion were very good players before and after D'Antoni. His style certainly helped their numbers and they were in their prime age wise so that helped also. Both guys are still very good players. Nash is carrying the Suns and Marion is an outside canidate for DPY. I wouldn't minimize the value of having an mvp and all nba player on your team. I think the expectations are definitely to go deep into the playoffs in that scenario.
The 50-40-90 club - 50pct-fg, 40pct-3pt-fg, 90pct-ft
Steve Nash is on pace to get this for the 5th time. The only other player to do this more than once was Larry Bird (twice)! It was only once done by a PG (Mark Price).
I wonder if this helped MDA out a bit. Now I believe that MDA did a good job with that team but when your PG is possibly the best player in the league and as Bruce Bowen stated on ESPN "the best playmaker he has ever seen", it does make the coach look really good. Now Phil Jackson obviously had the all world stars but his shear number of rings just puts him in a league of his own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50%E2%80%9340%E2%80%9390_Club
You name me one NBA expert or even a fan who thought Nash was NBA MVP material before he played for MDA? Go and find me one article where they suggested he should be the MVP when he was in Dallas. Then explain why the Mavs who were desperate to win a title would let a potential TWO TIME NBA MVP go!!! Nash himself admits that MDA helped him to achieve a higher level of play at a time when most players start to go the other way in their careers. MDA showed Nash the way to reach his full potential. You have to admit that if Nash feels this way then you have to accept it.
Being that you are so into quotes and literals, can you read between the lines with this Steve Nash quote about Jeremy Lin?
“I think he’s a good player,” Nash said. “I think everybody makes a big deal about the system when the guy’s finishing on Bynum and Gasol and he’s making game-winning threes. He’s a good player. I think he’d be successful in most systems.”
Nixluva, who do you think Nash was really talking about?
You have to admit that if Nash feels this way then you have to accept it.
You're missing the point as usual. This is not about whether Lin or Nash or any player is good or not. This is about how Nash was helped by his coach to reach his maximum potential as a player at an age when no one has ever improved to the degree that Nash did and become a 2x MVP. All you have to do is look at how Nash improved when he played for MDA and reached his peak after he mastered the style of play that MDA taught him. If it was only Nash that had this kind of improvement in their career then you could say it was a fluke, but many role players that never excelled before also made major jumps in their production under MDA. Your quote doesn't go against the statiscal proof of MDA's effect on his players nor what Nash himself has said about MDA's effect on his game. Nash was already a good player. MDA helped him get to MVP level.
It's funny that you can give credit to Phil Jackson for helping to improve players like MJ and Kobe and yet you want to make it seem like MDA has never helped his players to improve despite the statistical proof that he has.
Nash was an excellent player in Dallas. He became even better in PHX with the open floor and PnR etc ... It was the perfect fit for him and no one is denying that. It was also a far better team than what he had in Dallas.
Nobody is denying that MDA is a good offensive mind that had the perfect PG for his system. They helped each other. Tex Winters has an excellent offensive system too that maximized many many many players. That does not make him a good HC.
Again, since this is falling on deaf ears. MDA did a good job in PHX. He also had the perfect team with many stallions that fit his system perfectly. The team was put together to match the coaching style which is good GM-ing but I am not sure if it was the right makeup to make the championship runs. Though, signing/trading-for a defensive center stud might not have fit well into the style / system.
And please lets not forget how great Marion was in his prime. He was another example of a better PF than an SF.
Nash's first year:
Stat
Marion 19.4 / 11.3!
Joe Johnson
Q
Nash
Jim Jackson
Barbosa
Pretty un-guardable
"MDA has never helped his players to improve despite the statistical proof that he has"
uh ... I never said that he did not help players improve! He certainly helped Felton. Nobody helped players improve more than Tex Winters.
I give Jackson credit for winning 11 rings. And juggling Diva's with the best of them. It was Tex's system but PJax had to manage all those nutcases and thats what makes him great.
And, Phil Jackson never had a player not always giving MAX effort. There was no excuses for players that they just don't got it defensively.
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