Or we keep:
Turiaf, timofey, gallo, Chandler, fields, dang.

Let's just say I'd rather wait until the summer and see what we have and where we stand.

Carmelo shoots .429 from the field

23 year old Wilson Chandler shoots .462

you do the math

Melo2NYK wrote:

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:Money Can't Buy You Love

or Chemistry

umynot and oldfan - you both are on it.

This entire slurpfest over Carmelo is driven by amateur GM bed-wetters who are never happy with what they have, and the media, who is always looking to drum up the next juicy headline.

Neither of those two have anything to do with building a championship rotation of complimentary skills. The former is always poring over the next perceived fantasy and the latter is more concerned with making a deadline than any serious effort towards sports journalism. The stone cold truth is the new Knicks don't need Carmelo to grow as a team. He stunts that process by commanding more attention. Carmelo is Al Harrington with a slightly better shooting percentage.

The new Knicks are set at every position except lead guard and center. If Mozgov ever recovers from his jet lag, center becomes less an issue. The next person who dares mention Landry Fields, Gallo or The Mayor in any (cough) "trade package" will face the unbridled wrath of The Answer Man.

Al Harrington has never carried a team, that much is for sure. Melo is a bonafide star and has dealt with that pressure. Their games are similar but OJ Mayo also has a similar game to Kobe Bryant. I don't think anyone is going to get the two confused.

And you criticize "Melo to NY" supporters for not being concerned with building a championship rotation; that "we don't need Carmelo to grow as a team." You mean to tell me that you honestly think that this is a championship caliber team in the making, without upgrades?

First we dont really know what we have YET my dude.......

But that being said we do know this....... We are 14-9....... WOW after losing six in a row in first 11
We have won 10 of 11

We are 4th ranked offense in NBA not in East in NBA..... We know that we are playing as well as I'll say generously 6 teams in NBA....

Mavs Heat Lakers San Antonio and the Celtis have been playing as well or better ball then us!!

We know we can SCORE with anyone in the WORLD!.....

So with what we Know what does Melo offer us?

More scoring? Just doesn't make sense unless its for Chandler AR Walker and Loose ends .....

Then you bring Gallo of Bench as go to guy in relief of Melo Fields and Amare......

Other then that waiting to see what we really need is the smart move...... Melo is just STARFUKCING

I love Melo and His game don't get me wrong and if we had already made trade I would be excited he was here
But the way we are playing it's too HUGE a risk to give up too much to get him is my honest opinion

Dude, look at the teams we been playing. There might only be two teams (Bulls, Hornets) that were above .500. Even more unraveling is the fact that all of thoe teams sucked defensively, allowing our offense to score at will. All we have proved is that we are no longer bottom-feeders. But what happens when we play the big boy's? We need Melo because he adds that bona-fide stud that helps legitimize our roster.

San Antonio lost to the Clippers last week.....

Golden State was UNDEFEATED at home till we showed up.....

Miami has won six in a row and only Utah was a good team .....

Wins are WIns.......

I'm not saying we are a finished product......

I'm saying Melo for the farm DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!

Mayo is def more a need then Melo...... As is a Center PF type who stays healthy and bangs the boards
like reggie evans.....

Marc Gasol and Mayo and then you could trade Curry AR CHANDLER TD Walker and Mozgov and we would have
a solid rotation and a contending team

Felton / Mayo
Mayo/ Fields
Gallo/ Fields/ Williams
Amare/ Gallo / Williams
Gasol / Turiaf

That trade helps us better then Melo 10 fold!!

Oh and Mayo in this offense would be sicker then Melo IMO

misterearl wrote:What It Is Is What It Is

Carmelo shoots .429 from the field

23 year old Wilson Chandler shoots .462

you do the math

When Wilson Chandler starts drawing double/triple teams, give me a call. Kyle Korver is shooting 46% from the field. I wouldn't be dumb enough to take him over Kobe Bryant because Kobe is shooting 44% fom the field.

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:What It Is Is What It Is

Carmelo shoots .429 from the field

23 year old Wilson Chandler shoots .462

you do the math

When Wilson Chandler starts drawing double/triple teams, give me a call. Kyle Korver is shooting 46% from the field. I wouldn't be dumb enough to take him over Kobe Bryant because Kobe is shooting 44% fom the field.

Kobe has 5 rings ......

Melo 0

Melo even was best Player on LOSING Olympic and World Championship teams Kobe never lost anything!!

So like you say don't compare the 2

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:Money Can't Buy You Love

or Chemistry

umynot and oldfan - you both are on it.

This entire slurpfest over Carmelo is driven by amateur GM bed-wetters who are never happy with what they have, and the media, who is always looking to drum up the next juicy headline.

Neither of those two have anything to do with building a championship rotation of complimentary skills. The former is always poring over the next perceived fantasy and the latter is more concerned with making a deadline than any serious effort towards sports journalism. The stone cold truth is the new Knicks don't need Carmelo to grow as a team. He stunts that process by commanding more attention. Carmelo is Al Harrington with a slightly better shooting percentage.

The new Knicks are set at every position except lead guard and center. If Mozgov ever recovers from his jet lag, center becomes less an issue. The next person who dares mention Landry Fields, Gallo or The Mayor in any (cough) "trade package" will face the unbridled wrath of The Answer Man.

Al Harrington has never carried a team, that much is for sure. Melo is a bonafide star and has dealt with that pressure. Their games are similar but OJ Mayo also has a similar game to Kobe Bryant. I don't think anyone is going to get the two confused.

And you criticize "Melo to NY" supporters for not being concerned with building a championship rotation; that "we don't need Carmelo to grow as a team." You mean to tell me that you honestly think that this is a championship caliber team in the making, without upgrades?

First we dont really know what we have YET my dude.......

But that being said we do know this....... We are 14-9....... WOW after losing six in a row in first 11
We have won 10 of 11

We are 4th ranked offense in NBA not in East in NBA..... We know that we are playing as well as I'll say generously 6 teams in NBA....

Mavs Heat Lakers San Antonio and the Celtis have been playing as well or better ball then us!!

We know we can SCORE with anyone in the WORLD!.....

So with what we Know what does Melo offer us?

More scoring? Just doesn't make sense unless its for Chandler AR Walker and Loose ends .....

Then you bring Gallo of Bench as go to guy in relief of Melo Fields and Amare......

Other then that waiting to see what we really need is the smart move...... Melo is just STARFUKCING

I love Melo and His game don't get me wrong and if we had already made trade I would be excited he was here
But the way we are playing it's too HUGE a risk to give up too much to get him is my honest opinion

Dude, look at the teams we been playing. There might only be two teams (Bulls, Hornets) that were above .500. Even more unraveling is the fact that all of thoe teams sucked defensively, allowing our offense to score at will. All we have proved is that we are no longer bottom-feeders. But what happens when we play the big boy's? We need Melo because he adds that bona-fide stud that helps legitimize our roster.

San Antonio lost to the Clippers last week.....

Golden State was UNDEFEATED at home till we showed up.....

Miami has won six in a row and only Utah was a good team .....

Wins are WIns.......

I'm not saying we are a finished product......

I'm saying Melo for the farm DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!

Mayo is def more a need then Melo...... As is a Center PF type who stays healthy and bangs the boards
like reggie evans.....

Marc Gasol and Mayo and then you could trade Curry AR CHANDLER TD Walker and Mozgov and we would have
a solid rotation and a contending team

Felton / Mayo
Mayo/ Fields
Gallo/ Fields/ Williams
Amare/ Gallo / Williams
Gasol / Turiaf

That trade helps us better then Melo 10 fold!!

Oh and Mayo in this offense would be sicker then Melo IMO

Dude, if you want to debate with someone you got to frst read what they say. I, nor anyone else, has suggested giving up the farm for Melo. My standing offer would be Curry, Gallo and Randolph (Walker if need be). That is pennies on the dollar for one of the league's best. We don't even play Curry, Randolph or Walker.

And what exactly makes you think Marc Gasol would work in our system? I thought we learned our lesson that conventional big men don't work in SSOL.

As for the first of your article:
1.) The Warriors didn't have David Lee when we played them. They only won something like 1-9 without him.

2.) When the Clippers consistently beat upper-echelon teams, get back to me. Hell, we beat the Celtics last year and that didn't mean much of anything.

3.) Miami has the same concerns as our team about whether they can legitimately compete against the best. The difference between us and them is the fact that they have the best player in the world surrounded by 2 of the 10 best players in the league.

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:What It Is Is What It Is

Carmelo shoots .429 from the field

23 year old Wilson Chandler shoots .462

you do the math

When Wilson Chandler starts drawing double/triple teams, give me a call. Kyle Korver is shooting 46% from the field. I wouldn't be dumb enough to take him over Kobe Bryant because Kobe is shooting 44% fom the field.

Kobe has 5 rings ......

Melo 0

Melo even was best Player on LOSING Olympic and World Championship teams Kobe never lost anything!!

So like you say don't compare the 2

My bad, I forgot Al Harrington has rings. Wait a minute...

And last I checked, Melo was the primer scorer on both the bronze-medal and gold-medal Olympic teams. Don't know what standard you're using to determine the best player for that team but it is moot in either case; Melo's role was still the same for both teams.

Melo2NYK wrote:

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:What It Is Is What It Is

Carmelo shoots .429 from the field

23 year old Wilson Chandler shoots .462

you do the math

When Wilson Chandler starts drawing double/triple teams, give me a call. Kyle Korver is shooting 46% from the field. I wouldn't be dumb enough to take him over Kobe Bryant because Kobe is shooting 44% fom the field.

And if Melo would take lets say 3 times what Chandler makes to play for us you can give me a call

You're not a sports agent and not a Knick exec, so I doubt you know the parameters of Chandler's contract. And whatever Melo will be paid will be worth every penny as it has been in the past.

Chandler makes 3 mil...... Melo 17 mil Don't need to be an agent to know that

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Godfather

“Using the word stars, that’s getting to be vogue, because three guys went down to Miami,” said that man, the team president Donnie Walsh. “But I’m not accepting that’s the only way to build a team.”

“It does come down to, how good a team do you have?” (Walsh) said.

The point is not to find a player who can do what James does (which is impossible), but someone who can throttle him in the fourth quarter. Walsh is looking for players who can disrupt Rondo and Pierce on the perimeter and harass Orlando’s Dwight Howard in the paint.

“That’s why all of this year is very important,” Walsh said. “Who do we have on this team right now who can match up with those kind of guys?”

“Derrick McKey was not an All-Star,” Walsh said of the tough-minded forward, “but he could guard every one of them and stop them.”

Walsh added: “I had Mark Jackson. Did he make the All-Star team? No. But we couldn’t have won games without him.”

Most important, they all fit well with Stoudemire. Six Knicks have had at least one 20-point game this season. There are players on the roster who may yet emerge as the second-tier stars the team is seeking.

- Jonathan Abrams, NYT

It seems like your defense is rooted in what the Knicks might become and not necessarily what they are. The problem I have with that is the fact that there is little to no certainty in that. How many teams have been burned by the "potential players." Hell, we got one of those types on our team right now: Eddy Curry. We ended up surrending two lottery picks that turned into all-stars (Brandon Roy/LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah) to get him. I think if your waiting for Gallo/Chandler to become that "second-tier star," I think you'll be sadly mistaken. There hasn't been a European all-star drafted since Pau Gasol in 2001 and that dude was 20-10 by his 3rd season whereas Gallo is struggling to shoot better than 40% from the field. Wilson Chandler is a good role player but he is at his ceiling.

Not fair to compare Gallo to Gasol

Gasol was his teams first option and played C....... Gallo @ best the way the year has been going is our fourth
option!....

Has 5th most attempts on team .......

His coach has him as a wing player....

Last year was his first real year like Griffen is still a rookie this year!

After trades last year Gallo proved he could average 20 plus easy

And 9 or more boards as well ..... Gallo also plays REALLY GOOD D

He plays his role and doesnt cry about it...... You think Melo would be cool
being even second option on this team?..... He would need double Gallo's shots
to avg 8 more points and thats just facts.........

And why do you think Gallo is only our 4th option? You don't think we'd run more plays for him if he was capable of hhandling the responsibility? And please don't mention Griffin and Gallo in the same sentence. Griffin is one of the league's best PF's already. Gallo on the other hand is a role player and has had the advantage of a 2nd healthy season.

"He (Melo) would need double Gallo's shots to avg 8 more points and thats just facts." Funny thing about that is that Melo is a shooting 43% on the year (record low). Gallinari with his only complete season shot just 42% on the year. Might want to rethink your position.

First I compared Gallo missing his rookie year to Griffen missing his......

Second Melo is his teams first option cause they need him to be.....

Like Gallo was second half of last year......

I'm not saying Gallo is better then Melo by no means!!

But he is a Knick !....... And like Melo wants to be a Knick!!

Spreads floor Better then Melo and thats his role...... This offense is
about spreading floor......

Melo is a slasher like Chandler..... Not a 3 point threat like Gallo....

If you don't have a 3 point threat this system DOES NOT WORK!!!!

So why would you trade Gallo for Melo?.... What do u gain?

Ohhh 14 extra mil a year my bad!!

First, you comparing Gallo and Griffin in that respect is still irrelevant to the conversation.

Second, we need Gallo to be our 2nd option but he is only shooting better 39%.

Third, I don't care what Gallo did for 15 games last seson. We need 82 games from a supposed centerpiece on our team. You can talk all day about floor spacing but there is no better floor spacer than someone who draws a double team like Melo. Why? Because then someone is left open. Gallo has only recently been getting his shot contested by a player, hence the 39% from the field. He couldn't draw a double team if he was even the only guy on the court.

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:What It Is Is What It Is

Carmelo shoots .429 from the field

23 year old Wilson Chandler shoots .462

you do the math

When Wilson Chandler starts drawing double/triple teams, give me a call. Kyle Korver is shooting 46% from the field. I wouldn't be dumb enough to take him over Kobe Bryant because Kobe is shooting 44% fom the field.

Kobe has 5 rings ......

Melo 0

Melo even was best Player on LOSING Olympic and World Championship teams Kobe never lost anything!!

So like you say don't compare the 2

My bad, I forgot Al Harrington has rings. Wait a minute...

And last I checked, Melo was the primer scorer on both the bronze-medal and gold-medal Olympic teams. Don't know what standard you're using to determine the best player for that team but it is moot in either case; Melo's role was still the same for both teams.

Melo won only when Kobe and the rest joined him....

The games we didn't even Medal Melo was our go to scorer..... Facts my friend

Maybe I didn't make myself clear before: "And last I checked, Melo was the primer scorer on both the bronze-medal and gold-medal Olympic teams. Don't know what standard you're using to determine the best player for that team but it is moot in either case; Melo's role was still the same for both teams." I'm not sure what "rest," you are talking about but the heart of the team (Dwayne Wade, LeBron James, etc.) were on both teams. Melo's role never changed even with the addition of Kobe.

Melo2NYK wrote:

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

umynot wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Godfather

“Using the word stars, that’s getting to be vogue, because three guys went down to Miami,” said that man, the team president Donnie Walsh. “But I’m not accepting that’s the only way to build a team.”

“It does come down to, how good a team do you have?” (Walsh) said.

The point is not to find a player who can do what James does (which is impossible), but someone who can throttle him in the fourth quarter. Walsh is looking for players who can disrupt Rondo and Pierce on the perimeter and harass Orlando’s Dwight Howard in the paint.

“That’s why all of this year is very important,” Walsh said. “Who do we have on this team right now who can match up with those kind of guys?”

“Derrick McKey was not an All-Star,” Walsh said of the tough-minded forward, “but he could guard every one of them and stop them.”

Walsh added: “I had Mark Jackson. Did he make the All-Star team? No. But we couldn’t have won games without him.”

Most important, they all fit well with Stoudemire. Six Knicks have had at least one 20-point game this season. There are players on the roster who may yet emerge as the second-tier stars the team is seeking.

- Jonathan Abrams, NYT

It seems like your defense is rooted in what the Knicks might become and not necessarily what they are. The problem I have with that is the fact that there is little to no certainty in that. How many teams have been burned by the "potential players." Hell, we got one of those types on our team right now: Eddy Curry. We ended up surrending two lottery picks that turned into all-stars (Brandon Roy/LaMarcus Aldridge and Joakim Noah) to get him. I think if your waiting for Gallo/Chandler to become that "second-tier star," I think you'll be sadly mistaken. There hasn't been a European all-star drafted since Pau Gasol in 2001 and that dude was 20-10 by his 3rd season whereas Gallo is struggling to shoot better than 40% from the field. Wilson Chandler is a good role player but he is at his ceiling.

Not fair to compare Gallo to Gasol

Gasol was his teams first option and played C....... Gallo @ best the way the year has been going is our fourth
option!....

Has 5th most attempts on team .......

His coach has him as a wing player....

Last year was his first real year like Griffen is still a rookie this year!

After trades last year Gallo proved he could average 20 plus easy

And 9 or more boards as well ..... Gallo also plays REALLY GOOD D

He plays his role and doesnt cry about it...... You think Melo would be cool
being even second option on this team?..... He would need double Gallo's shots
to avg 8 more points and thats just facts.........

And why do you think Gallo is only our 4th option? You don't think we'd run more plays for him if he was capable of hhandling the responsibility? And please don't mention Griffin and Gallo in the same sentence. Griffin is one of the league's best PF's already. Gallo on the other hand is a role player and has had the advantage of a 2nd healthy season.

"He (Melo) would need double Gallo's shots to avg 8 more points and thats just facts." Funny thing about that is that Melo is a shooting 43% on the year (record low). Gallinari with his only complete season shot just 42% on the year. Might want to rethink your position.

First I compared Gallo missing his rookie year to Griffen missing his......

Second Melo is his teams first option cause they need him to be.....

Like Gallo was second half of last year......

I'm not saying Gallo is better then Melo by no means!!

But he is a Knick !....... And like Melo wants to be a Knick!!

Spreads floor Better then Melo and thats his role...... This offense is
about spreading floor......

Melo is a slasher like Chandler..... Not a 3 point threat like Gallo....

If you don't have a 3 point threat this system DOES NOT WORK!!!!

So why would you trade Gallo for Melo?.... What do u gain?

Ohhh 14 extra mil a year my bad!!

First, you comparing Gallo and Griffin in that respect is still irrelevant to the conversation.

Second, we need Gallo to be our 2nd option but he is only shooting better 39%.

Third, I don't care what Gallo did for 15 games last seson. We need 82 games from a supposed centerpiece on our team. You can talk all day about floor spacing but there is no better floor spacer than someone who draws a double team like Melo. Why? Because then someone is left open. Gallo has only recently been getting his shot contested by a player, hence the 39% from the field. He couldn't draw a double team if he was even the only guy on the court.

This must be TMS's ultra ego that's why you guys come off so similar!

Gallo has been in a slump..... Happens to many in their sophmore year

So lets get rid of him...... We did that with Rod Strickland how did that work?

We traded Ariza for Francis you think that was smart too?

We traded Camby and Nene for MacDysse do you consider that smart too?

We don't need Melo and it's very obvious