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2/16/2010  5:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/16/2010  5:13 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

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JayNYC wrote:why are so many NYK Fans hung up on this 2012 pick? let alone jordan hill?

there were people up in arms about us including the pick we're giving up in 2010 in the Marbury trade & we should have listened to them... we should have also listened to those people who were up in arms over us including the swap rights to our 1st round pick with no lottery protection in the Curry trade.

I understand.. but my question is directly related to the Ultimate Goal.. Attain two max players in 2010. Does anyone have any Idea of who is coming out in 2012?.. Moreover, does anyone actually believe that A SUPERSTAR PLAYER will sign with us in the off season and not be assured of our team creating a winning environment?

Two MAX Free agent signings, puts us in better position to win... Assuming we get one MAX contract next year, would said player be willing to wait TWO MORE YEARS BEYOND That for a pick that would otherwise be an unknown anyway?

I dunno.. but I'd pull the trigger on the deal, even if it is at the expense of Jordan Hill and a 2012 1st

bro believe me u don't have to preach to me about the importance of having cap space this summer... i was in favor of us trading down 10 slots in the lottery 2 years ago to dump Zach's contract & to trade D Lee last year for a lottery pick for the specific purpose of setting ourselves up with the cap space to sign 2 max FA's this summer.

that said, however, i simply can't justify giving up all these assets just to dump a $7 million dollar contract... there has to be another way... there were rumors about the Kings taking Jeffries & Nate last summer... there were rumors about the Wizards taking him straight up for Mike James... yes, these are all just rumors, but so is this one until something actually gets done... it just reeks of complete & utter desperation on the part of Donnie Walsh which was a direct result of his lack of vision a year or 2 ago... if he goes & makes this trade it's scrambling to give up a ton of our future assets in order to correct the mistakes that should have been corrected a long time ago.

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Trade Deadline Buzz (UPDATE)
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After acquiring Marcus Camby from the Clippers for Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw and cash, the Trail Blazers may just be getting started. A
person familiar with the team's thinking told CBSSports.com that Portland remains active in trade discussions and has targeted Tyrus Thomas in a secretive bid to acquire a second frontcourt player for the stretch run.

The Blazers have kept in close contact with Bulls officials regarding Thomas, and the acquisition of Camby has not dampened their interest, a source said. They may need a third team to facilitate a deal since they sent their two most significant expiring contracts to the Clippers for Camby.

Adding a second big man would not only numerically atone for the loss of Greg Oden and Joel Pryzbilla, it would also give the Blazers the best of both worlds with those acquisitions. Camby will help them this season, but his $7.7 million expiring contract wouldn't cloud their future plans. With Thomas, who will be a restricted free agent this summer, the Blazers could take a look at him for the rest of the season and decide whether they want to tender him the $6.3 million offer sheet or let him walk.

The Knicks and Spurs also are engaged in discussions about Thomas. The Nuggets are still trying, but sources say they're not optimistic they'll be willing to pay the price to get a deal done.

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While LeBron James is sold on Amar'e Stoudemire as the piece he needs to win a championship, the same feelings may not exist in the Cleveland front office. That, according to a person who has been in touch with the parties, could be what's keeping GM Danny Ferry from moving more quickly on a deal.

According to the source, LeBron sees Stoudemire's ability as a no-brainer of a complement to his own abilities, but there are concerns on Ferry's and coach Mike Brown's part about breaking up the chemistry of a team that has been on a roll and begins the post-All-Star break push with the best record in the league.

"The chemistry of that team is really firing on all cylinders right now, and they're looking for someone to seamlessly fit that team chemistry," the person said. "And that’s not Amar'e, and Amar'e doesn't defend. That’s why they haven’t pulled triigger yet."

The Suns, hamstrung by uncertainty over whether Stoudemire will exercise his early termination option after the season, are weighing whether to take a chance on retaining him or securing assets they can build with in his absence. When Suns owner Robert Sarver told CBSSports.com Sunday night, “It’s definitely an important decision,” he wasn’t kidding.

While Miami, and to a lesser extent Philadelphia, still had viable offers on the table for Stoudemire early Tuesday, a union of Stoudemire, James, and Shaquille O'Neal in Cleveland was realistic enough for Stoudemire to issue a Twitter smackdown Monday to those asserting that Stoudemire and Shaq didn't mesh in Phoenix.

"I play very well w/Shaq," Amar'e wrote via his Twitter account. "I averaged more pts last year WITH him & played better D. You guys can stop saying we don't play well together."

But given that the Suns are telling rival executives that retaining Stoudemire remains on the table as an option, Cleveland has maintained contact with the Wizards amid strong indications that Washington is now committed to moving Antawn Jamison for a package that will yield not only financial flexibility, but also a young asset. Jamison's mid-range game and his personality are viewed by some as a better fit for the Cavs.

Sources say chances remain strong that the Cavs land either Jamison or Stoudemire by Thursday as they try to add one more piece to fortify James for a championship run. Speaking after the All-Star Game Sunday night, Stoudemire fondly recalled having played with James on the 2004 Olympic team, and the possibility of a reunion with James and O'Neal -- Stoudemire's former teammate in Phoenix -- dominated the All-Star story lines.

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Tracy McGrady's chances of being traded to the Knicks have improved to "50-50," according to a source, as team executives returned home from All-Star weekend Monday to strategize before Thursday's trade deadline.

The Knicks and Rockets are engaged in active discussions that would send McGrady, a former All-Star trying to come back from microfracture surgery, to New York as part of a package that could include the deal-maker for the Knicks -- Jared Jeffries, whose $6.9 million contract in 2010-11 has been clogging the team's cap-clearing efforts. Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni is said to be in favor of taking a chance on McGrady, whom he believes would give the struggling Knicks a boost as they try to get back into the playoff hunt.

Due to McGrady’s massive, $23 million expiring contract, efforts are under way to recruit a third team to complete the deal. Those teams include Cleveland, Miami, and Philadelphia -- all franchises that are engaged in discussions with the Suns for Stoudemire.

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What sweetened the Camby deal for the Clippers is something that owner Donald Sterling watches very closely: cash, about $3 million of it. Otherwise, why would a team trade its best defensive player -- on an expiring contract, no less -- for two backups? Blake ($4.9 million) and Outlaw ($4 million) also come off the books July 1, so it's a cap-neutral deal for both teams.

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2/16/2010  5:15 PM
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

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2/16/2010  5:15 PM
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Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

agreed. i'm starting to believe the only way we get bron or wade is if we can bring a second max with them.

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2/16/2010  5:16 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

...except we'll still have max cap room for two max guys in 2011 so long as they don't waste the space?

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2/16/2010  5:17 PM
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GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:This would be different if T-Mac still had multiple years left on his contract. But he doesn't. We're not trading for T-Mac really...we're trading for cap space to sign a max FA.

Get it? Am I missing something?

you can probably get ray allen for this same deal. the knicks ARE trading for tmac b/c if he plays well, i think they would consider bringing him back. i think he's a fall back of sorts.

yeah, i agree with that. i think tmac and arenas will be the last ditch fall backs if bron, wade and joe johnson all land elsewhere.

but, the real coup of this deal is dumping jeffries and hill to create enough cap space to sign two max guys. i really think that is the difference between getting bron or wade this summer. one guy isn't enough. they need two studs. it's the way of the league.

if we could get ray allen as a 1 year rental without giving up the picks and getting rid of Jefferies I am 100% ok with that.

only diff. is T-Mac supposedly WANTS to play here and may want to stay long term. Obviously NY is preferable to Houston for T-mac this season because he'll get minutes here.

Ray Allen...don't know if he would even wanna sign for a discount here..probably not. He seems to be in the stage of his career where he'd be ok with playing cheap for rings not babysitting a rebuilding project. his window is much shorter than LBJ, Wade, Johnson etc.

my main point was..yes we are technically trading for T-mac but we have the option of just letting him walk if it's clear he has nothing left in the tank or is asking for too much..so it's not like we'll be stuck with Allan Houston on our hands.

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2/16/2010  5:21 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

...except we'll still have max cap room for two max guys in 2011 so long as they don't waste the space?

Donnie would not be here to do that in 2011. You think Dolan would allow Donnie back in the building after giving up what he did for what eventually would have happened anyway in 2011. Another GM may want to go in another direction with trades maybe.

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2/16/2010  5:29 PM
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WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

True the risk was always there.. and up until the mention of Jared Jeffries inclusion into the deal; I probably would be in agreement with most regarding swapping picks in 2011 and mortgaging our future by trading away the one in 2012. Heck, I'd probably even sour on dealing away Jordan Hill.. because I couldnt justify the belief that Lebron, Wade or Bosh would do anything other than sign with their respective clubs. That said, opportunity has presented itself.. A NEW!!! Truth is.. with the cap space NYK's odds greatly increase in achieving the 2010 Goal! If we dont have the space for 2 max players, we are gonna need a heck of a selling job by Donnie Walsh and crew to attract MARQUEE TALENT to MSG. Lets Face it the NYK Lure of playing in the Garden, so called basketball mecca of the world has lost its luster around the league.. Players just dont carry the same sentiment! That pained me to say that

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2/16/2010  5:30 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

exactly. What would be absolutely hilarious (in a coming home and finding your wife banging some guy in a clown suit kinda way) is if we pull the trigger on this trade and then:

- Cavs pull off a trade for Amare/Jamison/Murphy and LBJ decides to stay put even if he falls short of a championship. Obviously if they win and they resign Amare he stays put.

- If Cavs get Jamison/Murphy, Heat get Amare. Wade stays put.

Say we do get Joe Johnson and Bosh..was that worth giving up Hill and the 2012 pick?

It's a tough call. We get JJ/Bosh we at least make the playoffs with TD/JJ/Chandler/Gallo/Lee and the pick in 2012 probably not top 10 or anything.

Not an easy call but I'm leaning towards not doing the deal and maintaining flexibility and keeping Hill and the picks.

If you feel passionately about pulling the trigger on this deal, that's definitely understandable.

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2/16/2010  5:35 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

exactly. What would be absolutely hilarious (in a coming home and finding your wife banging some guy in a clown suit kinda way) is if we pull the trigger on this trade and then:

- Cavs pull off a trade for Amare/Jamison/Murphy and LBJ decides to stay put even if he falls short of a championship. Obviously if they win and they resign Amare he stays put.

- If Cavs get Jamison/Murphy, Heat get Amare. Wade stays put.

Say we do get Joe Johnson and Bosh..was that worth giving up Hill and the 2012 pick?

It's a tough call. We get JJ/Bosh we at least make the playoffs with TD/JJ/Chandler/Gallo/Lee and the pick in 2012 probably not top 10 or anything.

Not an easy call but I'm leaning towards not doing the deal and maintaining flexibility and keeping Hill and the picks.

If you feel passionately about pulling the trigger on this deal, that's definitely understandable.

We don't have any flexibility. We were building towards 2010. We have no assets on this roster besides Gallinari and Chandler. Hooray for draft picks. That's the only thing we'll have going for us. I'd rather trade Hill and go for that gamble in 2010 rather than hold onto Hill, sign nobody and then wait till 2012 and hope for better days.

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2/16/2010  5:38 PM
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Say we do get Joe Johnson and Bosh..was that worth giving up Hill and the 2012 pick?

It's a tough call. We get JJ/Bosh we at least make the playoffs with TD/JJ/Chandler/Gallo/Lee and the pick in 2012 probably not top 10 or anything.

Not an easy call but I'm leaning towards not doing the deal and maintaining flexibility and keeping Hill and the picks.

If you feel passionately about pulling the trigger on this deal, that's definitely understandable.

You are right, its a judgement call.. BUT KEEP IN MIND, as presently constructed NYK will not likely sign Bosh and Johnson (If available).. Its likely 1 or the other... If the latter, we'd likely OVERPAY. Be stuck with a player that will not get us over the top.. Joe Johnson is an allstar but not someone that can carry a team by himself. So in effect, you'd have to rely on those future picks.. and keep hope alive! More mediocrity.. I dont know about you or any other of our fans, but 2010 is make or break for me (ok im lying) but it'll certainly be disheartening if AFTER allllllll the hype about the looming 2010 free agency period we'd have to settle for another year of inconsistent NYK Basketball.

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If you do this deal and get the two free agents, it's worth it. However, giving up two picks, as I have said on many occasions in this thread, cripples you down to hell and even further below, if you strike out and miss. You have no pillow to fall on. You crippled the franchise and got nothing to help you until 20-freaking-13 and that's when rebuilding can begin, AGAIN. If you feel that's worth it, I feel you're sadly mistaken.

Please don't do it Donnie.

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JayNYC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

exactly. What would be absolutely hilarious (in a coming home and finding your wife banging some guy in a clown suit kinda way) is if we pull the trigger on this trade and then:

- Cavs pull off a trade for Amare/Jamison/Murphy and LBJ decides to stay put even if he falls short of a championship. Obviously if they win and they resign Amare he stays put.

- If Cavs get Jamison/Murphy, Heat get Amare. Wade stays put.

Say we do get Joe Johnson and Bosh..was that worth giving up Hill and the 2012 pick?

It's a tough call. We get JJ/Bosh we at least make the playoffs with TD/JJ/Chandler/Gallo/Lee and the pick in 2012 probably not top 10 or anything.

Not an easy call but I'm leaning towards not doing the deal and maintaining flexibility and keeping Hill and the picks.

If you feel passionately about pulling the trigger on this deal, that's definitely understandable.

We don't have any flexibility. We were building towards 2010. We have no assets on this roster besides Gallinari and Chandler. Hooray for draft picks. That's the only thing we'll have going for us. I'd rather trade Hill and go for that gamble in 2010 rather than hold onto Hill, sign nobody and then wait till 2012 and hope for better days.

You're assuming that unless we have cap space for 2 max FAs this offseason we get 0..I dunno if that's true

Doesn't:

- $ coming off the books this offseason...
- Curry and Jefferies $ coming off after next season..
- Hill/Gallo/Chandler/TD..
- and draft picks

= flexibility?

even if we do this trade we'll still have

- Gallo/Chandler/TD to trade
- Curry coming off the books

for flexibility.

The way I see it no matter what happens things will get better for the Knicks and we'll have more flexibility than we've had in the last decade. Just a matter of degrees.

Before this trade came up, did you feel like we were just screwed for the next 3 seasons regardless? Because it sounds like you're saying if we don't do this trade we're screwed.

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2/16/2010  5:43 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:If you do this deal and get the two free agents, it's worth it. However, giving up two picks, as I have said on many occasions in this thread, cripples you down to hell and even further below, if you strike out and miss. You have no pillow to fall on. You crippled the franchise and got nothing to help you until 20-freaking-13 and that's when rebuilding can begin, AGAIN. If you feel that's worth it, I feel you're sadly mistaken.

Please don't do it Donnie.

Hey the same arguement can be made if you keep the picks, dont make the trade, do not free up additional cap room.. and lose out on the MARQUEE talents, be stuck with a 2nd tier player that we'd pair w/ our current ecclectic bunch.. and wait for draft picks that in all honesty likely wouldnt play much in their respective draft years 2011, and 2012. So now that signing from this 2010 offseason, supposedly our "BIG Acquisition" is now made to wait it out.

If thats the case I'd rather not sign anyone in 2010... wait until 2010 and go after the next game changer ie. CP3

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2/16/2010  5:47 PM
bucher hasn't put anything in writing about the trade being dead, for what it's worth. i'm thinking we won't know anything for sure until a few hours after the deadline.
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Allanfan20 wrote:If you do this deal and get the two free agents, it's worth it. However, giving up two picks, as I have said on many occasions in this thread, cripples you down to hell and even further below, if you strike out and miss. You have no pillow to fall on. You crippled the franchise and got nothing to help you until 20-freaking-13 and that's when rebuilding can begin, AGAIN. If you feel that's worth it, I feel you're sadly mistaken.

Please don't do it Donnie.

i agree... it's a panic move when we don't really need to panic right now... we already got the cap space to make an offer to Lebron & another impact FA... if u can free up the rest of the cap space to sign another max guy, that's the best case scenario, but u don't completely mortgage your entire future to do so... if DW trades Jordan Hill he needs to make sure he gets back a future pick, or he needs to take one of those other picks he's giving up off the table, either or... the swap rights is also too much to risk... 1 young future asset should be enough to dump Fishlips' contract IMHO.

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2/16/2010  5:51 PM
for once i agree with frankie ice

McGrady's agent keeping trade talks alive »
BY FRANK ISOLA

Arn Tellem is the like the Scott Boras of the NBA only not as pompous or accessible.

Tellem, the league's most powerful agent, likes to work behind the scenes and right now he's the best thing the Knicks have going for them.

Tellem wants the Houston Rockets to trade Tracy McGrady and he wants them to trade his client to the Knicks, like yesterday if not sooner. And when Tellem talks, NBA executives listen. Teams don't want to cross him since Tellem has a deep roster of clients. It's kinda like the mafia but without any bloodshed.

If the Knicks can acquire McGrady's $23 million contract and also remove Jared Jeffries' contract from their cap, Donnie Walsh should be the executive of the year ... with a lot of help from Tellem, his long-time friend.

I don't believe for a minute that Walsh was or is reluctant to include rookie Jordan Hill in any trade for McGrady. This is all about the summer of 2010 and if the Knicks can trade Jeffries, Walsh would include Hill, his personal secretary and James Dolan's helicopter.

Trading Jeffries gives the Knicks flexibility to sign LeBron James plus either Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh.

This is all about the Rockets GM Daryl Morey, the Billy Beane-type "Moneyball" guy of the NBA, taking on Jeffries' contract. I don't have any clue why Morey would even consider such a thing, unless he is feeling pressure from Tellem. (Did I happen to mention that Tellem and Walsh are good friends?)

The Rockets blew it big time by banishing McGrady from the team. He's still better than Trevor Ariza and if Houston had played McGrady, assuming he's healthy, they could have increased his trade value. If they want to get anything for him they may have to make the deal with the Knicks.

If I'm the Rockets, I just allow McGrady's contract to expire this summer. It's got to be better than taking on Jeffries' contract. If Tellem, I mean Walsh, can pull this off more power to him.

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Nate Robinson has come down with a case of slam dunkitis. The three-time champ did not travel to Chicago with the Knicks because of the flu and he might not be available for tomorrow's game at the Garden.

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Pharzeone wrote:
JayNYC wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Chris Broussard on ESPN 1050: Chances of Knicks landing marquee free agents will improve significantly if they clear more cap room.

exactly what i've been saying... basically if we dont do this trade, after tanking 2 seasons.. and not getting two MAX FREE AGENTS.. We could get shut out from signing anybody. Everybody is mentioning Joe Johnson, but he could end up resigning in ATL.. THEN WHAT????

WE NEED THE CAP SPACE IN THIS TRADE.. DO IT, TRADE HILL AND 2012 PICK

That was always the risk in Donnie's plan. But without doing this type of insane trade, you can go to 2011. If you do this deal, ther is no 2011 fallback.

exactly. What would be absolutely hilarious (in a coming home and finding your wife banging some guy in a clown suit kinda way) is if we pull the trigger on this trade and then:

- Cavs pull off a trade for Amare/Jamison/Murphy and LBJ decides to stay put even if he falls short of a championship. Obviously if they win and they resign Amare he stays put.

- If Cavs get Jamison/Murphy, Heat get Amare. Wade stays put.

Say we do get Joe Johnson and Bosh..was that worth giving up Hill and the 2012 pick?

It's a tough call. We get JJ/Bosh we at least make the playoffs with TD/JJ/Chandler/Gallo/Lee and the pick in 2012 probably not top 10 or anything.

Not an easy call but I'm leaning towards not doing the deal and maintaining flexibility and keeping Hill and the picks.

If you feel passionately about pulling the trigger on this deal, that's definitely understandable.

We don't have any flexibility. We were building towards 2010. We have no assets on this roster besides Gallinari and Chandler. Hooray for draft picks. That's the only thing we'll have going for us. I'd rather trade Hill and go for that gamble in 2010 rather than hold onto Hill, sign nobody and then wait till 2012 and hope for better days.

You're assuming that unless we have cap space for 2 max FAs this offseason we get 0..I dunno if that's true

Doesn't:

- $ coming off the books this offseason...
- Curry and Jefferies $ coming off after next season..
- Hill/Gallo/Chandler/TD..
- and draft picks

= flexibility?

even if we do this trade we'll still have

- Gallo/Chandler/TD to trade
- Curry coming off the books

for flexibility.

The way I see it no matter what happens things will get better for the Knicks and we'll have more flexibility than we've had in the last decade. Just a matter of degrees.

Before this trade came up, did you feel like we were just screwed for the next 3 seasons regardless? Because it sounds like you're saying if we don't do this trade we're screwed.

You know what? I wasn't saying that before the trade. But now reality has hit me. We wont sign a marquee free agent if we only have room for one. The only way we can lure a guy here is if we have space for another big name guy. I guess you can say it's my assumption but it's looking more and more like a reality every time I watch a Knicks game and see them getting embarrassed.

As much as I like the options we have, there are no bigger free agents than the ones were going after right here this summer. What will be available in 2011? Carmelo wont leave. So we wait till 2012 for Howard or Paul? I highly doubt Howard is going anywhere. I don't really want to wait another 2 years so I can sign Chris Paul and some lower-tier guy. Then we'd just be the Hornets of the East.

I always felt this plan was the right one by Donnie. But the Knicks poor execution on the court and certain factors that worked against the Knicks (the cap decreasing) have put a big time wrench in those plans. This is do or die right now. If you can't clear more cap space before July, your plan sucks and your franchise is going nowhere. Unless of course the Knicks somehow draft amazingly well (have they ever? besides Ewing) in the lottery for 2 straight years. We have the potential to be shut out this summer otherwise. We can end up signing some crap like Ginobili and Brad Miller and call that a coup. I don't want that at all. It's time to lay it all on the line. The franchises' future lays in the balance.

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2/16/2010  5:53 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Before this trade came up, did you feel like we were just screwed for the next 3 seasons regardless? Because it sounds like you're saying if we don't do this trade we're screwed.

Before this season, I can say I WAS TRULY optimistic.. Then David Stern and the rumors of an NBA Salary Cap decrease occured; At which, I started waiving the white flag, because I knew that would be an end to our dream of signing TWO MAX PLAYERS! So up until this rumored trade proposal, Yeah I felt like we could potentially lose out on everything.. Semantics "Yeah I thought we were screwed"; Then the idea presented itself to shed an additional 10 mil happened.. Dump Jeffries and Hill and we can at least be in play to sign a Superstar and a complimentary player of his choosing. Dare I say 2 max talents.. and it became a NO Brainer concept for me, and hopefully should be to the NYK Braintrust as well! If we get 2 Stars in 2010.. Does 2012 even matter? Would anyone truly care about dealing away Jordan Hill? C'mon lol

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