O.T Imus call Rutgers womens team NAPPY HEADED HOES
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BlueSeats
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4/12/2007 7:43 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:Posted by BlueSeats:Posted by Pharzeone: I'm not sugar coating anything. My point is that there is an obvious double standard on the issue. Black entertainers are given far greater permissiveness to be profane and derogatory. I'm not even talking about racial stereotyping, I'm talking profanity and misogyny. Why? I've already put out a theory or two. Now you. |
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bitty41
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4/12/2007 7:44 PM
Black entertainment and this incident with Don Imus are loosely related in that these comments were directed a particular group of young women. I haven't read every post in this thread but it seems that the one aspect of Imus' comments that are lost is that a women's look can still be a role in how the public judges her.
Hey what about hate rock? Or record companies that promote this particular type of music such as Panzerfaust Records? Or white supermacist websites aren't these equally if not more abhorrent? So before everyone goes on their usual rant that has been relayed ad-nauseam by talking heads on TV and the radio lets go for some actual orginal thoughts on the topic. On the media's responsibility to society. |
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Pharzeone
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4/12/2007 8:05 PM
Blue, I don't know what else to say to show you that it is not true. I posted the Tsuami song article. At least Solace was aware of that. The article had the outcome. I posted the DJ Star incident a while back on this thread showing that he was not only fired for his profane actions, he was arrested in a sting operation and charged with a Hate Crime. You are giving me Chris Rock. Then I give you Lenny Bruce. You give me Eddie Murphy, I give you Don Rickles. Dave Chappelle. Richard Lewis. 50 cent and his friend Emenim. I guess I said instead of saying what's your point. I should have said do you really think it is accurate.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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BlueSeats
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4/12/2007 8:11 PM
Posted by bitty41: That's good stuff bitty, you should stay in the conversation and keep pushing us forward. That hate rock was one of the first things to be implicated in the Columbine shootings, as well as absentee parenting. I think there are parallels. |
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oohah
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4/12/2007 8:25 PM
I like 2 Live Crew. They are funny. You have to take it for what it is. But it loses its charm when everybody does it as a matter of routine.
Imus is similar. He just ran the shock jock routine routine (Which he invented) into the ground. The real line he crossed was referring to a bunch of young girls as nappy headed hoes. If he was talking about Lil' Kim and Foxy Brown, it probably would not have been such a big deal. Hopefully, Shock Jock is coming to an end. Stern already got booted and he is no longer relevant, Starr got the boot for his R. Kelly "piss on your kid" comment, now Imus got fired, really for racist talk, but for aiming racist talk at young girls who did not deserve it. I look forward to the days when these bastards are off the radio, and maybe some real humor will take their place, not tired shock value nonsense. oohah Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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oohah
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4/12/2007 8:29 PM
Posted by eViL: The gatekeepers have to make that decision. When NWA made Gangsta Rap huge, conscious rap was done for. There are still artists that want to do that stuff, but the records companies want to promote and promulgate what is hot. They don't have any agenda but money. And that is why Tribe could never make it today, and why you have regular kids posing as pimps and gangsters and so many running into trouble because they feel they have to back it up. Gangsta rap will end when people get tired of buying it, but the record companies and the other gatekeepers will never do it out of responsible behavior. oohah Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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Pharzeone
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4/12/2007 8:33 PM
LOL, watching the O'Riley factor and Michelle Makin is filling in for him. She actually suggested that Imus learned the N word, nappy and ho from rap music. I told you it wouldn't be long. Fox News has just confirmed that rap music is responsible for Jim Crow. Her take was that it wasn't that bad.
P.S., on the next segment, she had on the leader of the New Black Panther Party discussing the Duke players and shouldn't he apologize. He called a her political whore for Bill O'Reily and she was very offended. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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BlueSeats
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4/12/2007 8:39 PM
Posted by Pharzeone: I did, but then I'm not the best informed person in popular culture, so maybe I'm wrong and maybe you're teaching me something. So how many of the white entertainers you speak of where banned and boycotted for misogyny? The reason I ask is that is another very prominent theme in black comedy. Yet the audience typically appears to be close to 50% women and the guys get standing ovations. I don't recall the specifics of his HBO comedy show, but I do remember being disappointed in Martin Lawrence's show. I used to like his sitcom and had high expectations for his standup, but it was pretty unfunny and I remember being left with a bad taste in my mouth at the end cause I think he left on a really bad note, with an unfunny joke about women's vaginal odors. But there came the standing ovation. I totally get that blacks should have the right to say things about each other that outsiders can't. I support that, though I do think there needs to be some guidelines for the outsiders to understand where the boundaries lie. But I'm not sure how misogyny is tied to race and why it should be, if it is, better tolerated from blacks than whites. You know, I'm not trying to say whites are clean and blacks are dirty. I'm trying to say that we have to stop seeing ourselves as so separate. Both races contribute greatly to the American culture and we need to look at how the cultures interact and the whole they create. And hispanics/latinos, and Asians aren't far behind. It wont be long before whites hold less than 50% of the population. We're all in this together. For all we know the next presidential administration might be the union of a white woman and a black man. Can you imagine the jokes that will precede and follow? BTW, what's the deal with Richard Lewis? I never caught a whole show, I just remember a lot of pretty tame Jewish humor. |
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oohah
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4/12/2007 8:55 PM
So how many of the white entertainers you speak of where banned and boycotted for misogyny? Maybe he wasn't banned or boycotted, but George Carlin faced a lot trouble because of the Seven Words. The Beatles and Elvis were both banned and boycotted by various groups and media organizations. oohah Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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BlueSeats
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4/12/2007 8:57 PM
Posted by oohah:So how many of the white entertainers you speak of where banned and boycotted for misogyny? |
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bitty41
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4/12/2007 8:59 PM
Okay at what point does "Freedom of Speech" fall under Government regulation? Really Don Imus is almost incidental in all of this because the brunt of the pressure is going to be brought on the corporate bosses. If Imus owned his the radio show and had his own sponsors that supported his views than at that point all we can do is turn off the radio. But a major company like NBC, CBS, they are the ones that should be held responsible for this sort of nonesense. Because I've listened to Evil Star on Hot 97 (which btw I absolutely hate that station now) and he was really over the top. I remember one time I was either in college or high school at the time and I was in the car with my father and Evil Star came on all I could do was cringe as my father had a look of complete disgust.
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Pharzeone
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4/12/2007 9:03 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:Posted by Pharzeone: None. I fail to mention more popular comedians such as Robin Williams who if you watch his last stand up act on HBO spent 5 minutes demonstrating oral sex given to a woman. Its funny that you mention Martin Lawrence because at the time I said Williams must have caught his stand up act. He got an applause for that bit. Showtime has a show call "White Boyz in the Hood" where white comedian do racial and raunchy jokes. These are pay channels. You know what you are getting so there is no outcry. Richard Lewis does jewish jokes, black jokes, sexist jokes, etc. One funny bit of his is that before he start a joke, he says it ok my friend is black... or its ok I'm jewish. I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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Pharzeone
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4/12/2007 9:11 PM
Posted by bitty41: I posted the article about DJ Star being fired and then arrested for a Hate Crime by NYC police for profane remarks that he address at a rival dj's child. DJ Star was a black "shock jock" but there was no outcry to save his job. Only outrage about his profane comments. btw, as I previously mentioned both Stern and Imus said they were fans of his.  I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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oohah
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4/12/2007 9:17 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:Posted by oohah:So how many of the white entertainers you speak of where banned and boycotted for misogyny? Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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oohah
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4/12/2007 9:24 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:Posted by oohah:So how many of the white entertainers you speak of where banned and boycotted for misogyny? Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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Marv
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4/12/2007 9:32 PM
[b]Posted by oohah: Most of my examples are notthat recent because I started tuning out a lot of the pop culture 5-8 years ago. |
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eViL
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4/12/2007 9:33 PM
Posted by oohah:Posted by eViL: check out my latest hip hop project: https://soundcloud.com/michaelcro http://youtu.be/scNXshrpyZo
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oohah
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4/12/2007 9:42 PM
Posted by Marv:[b]Posted by oohah: Most of my examples are notthat recent because I started tuning out a lot of the pop culture 5-8 years ago. Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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O.T Imus call Rutgers womens team NAPPY HEADED HOES