3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Rose is prolonging his career. Why rush back and play like trash.

Why is Noah playing?

So I guess Shump is shortening his and when it came time to trade him for Dudley it wasn't acceptable? Rubio is shortening his career too?

You seriously comparing plantar fasciitis to tearing your ACL.

Rose's game is built on his elite athleticism.

Shumpert has looked like a shell of his former self. Shumpert has been attempting to do things his body cant.

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Rose is prolonging his career. Why rush back and play like trash.

Why is Noah playing?

So I guess Shump is shortening his and when it came time to trade him for Dudley it wasn't acceptable? Rubio is shortening his career too?

You seriously comparing plantar fasciitis to tearing your ACL.

Rose's game is built on his elite athleticism.

Shumpert has looked like a shell of his former self. Shumpert has been attempting to do things his body cant.

Shump should sit before he ruins his career or do you like seeing him play right now since it's the playoffs?

Rubio was getting triple doubles off a tore ACL and Rose can't play 10-15min based on inspiration alone? So it gets back to what I said...since he can't trampoline in gms he'd rather sit. Weak sorry.

That's why I've been hard on him since he entered the league. If he played more like a POINT GUARD instead of a SHOOTING GUARD his injury wouldn't be such a culture shock to him.

It's not about degrees of injuries if it feels like you're stepping on a knife compared to your mind lacking confidence although healthy not sure there's a difference. It's not like Rose admits he has high pain sensations in his knee. Matter of fact he's gone on record when he was practicing full contact he's experiencing no swelling in the knee, he's been cleared by doctors. Stop making excuses. Now if he came back played a few minutes here and there and came to the conclusion he'd rather sit I can respect that but to take the whole year off and not try is unacceptable.

But when basketball is your life, your career, what brings support to your family and more than simply playing for a championship, you put things in perspective. We don't know the full extent of Rose's injury, its effect on him psychologically and how does he feel in his recovery. I think its a very personal process and if Rose doesn't feel capable of playing the way he does, its his right to stay.

You can compare him to Shump and others. You can say him trying would be big for the team. Right now the team is so well coached that they don't need any motivation from him to succeed. They have already exceeded expectations. They would need Rose the star to up their game and if he personally doesn't feel he can give that, it has to be understood. I think an injury and recovery is too personal an issue to judge.

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

martin wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Rose is prolonging his career. Why rush back and play like trash.

Why is Noah playing?

So I guess Shump is shortening his and when it came time to trade him for Dudley it wasn't acceptable? Rubio is shortening his career too?

3G4G, it's like you've never had a major injury before.

Every injury and every recovery are different. Please first let us know what you know about ACL/meniscus recovery (and perhaps the details of Rose v Shump v Rubio) and Plantar fasciitis.

And then let us know the details of each player's recovery. Usually it takes a player at least a month or so of training camp to get into playing shape to be effective.... See Amare and his curve this past year, his first weeks were caca.

Why would Rose risk any of this? Has anyone seen the likes of Allan Houston and his return? Seems as if he came back too early and possibly ruined his career. Why risk it if you are Rose or the Bulls?

I have... broke ankle. Tough recovery but no athlete and not under the best medical care known to humans either.

I personally thought Amar'e should have sat out the whole season "considering his injury history"...possibly the reason he had to have the second debridement. Maybe over compensation and the doctors recommended limiting his minutes. Of course he wanted to play more. Amar'e was very efficient(defensively still suspect) once he got into a consistent rotation. At the same time I'd gather fans respect Amar'e a little more(singular action) for attempting to come back. One thing I am leaving without consideration Derrick Rose does play/has played regularly with knee braces.... prior to his ACL injury, which I find odd for a player of his young stature but I still feel he should have tried, that's all I'm saying.

If Rose was high risk to re-injure himself.... under the most professional examinations those doctors would recommend he sit the year out.

perhaps that is exactly what is happening.

BTW, broken bones and torn ligaments are completely different.

I've mentioned this a few times

He's been cleared to play by their medical staff and doctors....

Derrick Rose's doctor has cleared the Chicago Bulls' star to play, a team source said, but his long-awaited return to the lineup won't occur until he can confidently dunk off his left foot, Rose has told the team.

Rose, who had surgery to repair a tear to the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee on May 12, has been videotaped dunking off each foot, but more casually than he would during a game. A source said that although he has been practicing and scrimmaging hard, he told the Bulls that until he feels "in his mind" he can confidently dunk off his left foot in a game situation, he is not 100 percent mentally ready to return to competition.

The team is not pressuring Rose, the source said, but the Bulls are confident he will return this season and are still hoping for a mid-March return, which would mark 10 months after his surgery. The Bulls play at Golden State on March 15.

"He's been cleared to do everything that there is, but before he makes the final step, everyone has to get together and sign off and that hasn't happened yet," Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said before the game. "As I said, the most important part of this is that we have to trust Derrick and I trust him."

The source said the team has been assured by Rose's doctor that there is no more chance of the former MVP getting injured upon his return than anyone else and that the doctor told the Bulls that physically "he can play now." Rose is now dealing with the psychological side of trusting his body.

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"He's doing everything there is to do in practice, so he's been cleared from that standpoint," Thibodeau said.

When asked whether Rose would be able to play in a game if he says he is able to, Thibodeau said: "We'll cross that bridge when we get there. We're just going day by day. Just keep improving."

"Definitely getting stronger and stronger every day," guard Nate Robinson said. "Hopefully, he's right on time and right on schedule. He'll be back when he's ready."

Thibodeau said the decision for Rose to play will be made by several people.

"There's a lot of people that got to sign [off]," Thibodeau said. "Obviously, he's the most important piece. But from Jerry [Reinsdorf, Bulls owner] on down, everyone has to sign off on it."

As far as what Rose is doing in practice, Thibodeau said: "He's doing everything. He's participating in every part of practice."

Thibodeau also said the Bulls are prepared to move on with or without Rose. "We'll see what happens," he said.

The perception that Rose wouldn't return this season was enhanced on Feb. 22, when his brother Reggie Rose told ESPNChicago.com that the Bulls' lack of activity before the trade deadline would be a "big factor" in whether his brother would return.

"It's frustrating to see my brother play his heart and soul out for the team and them not put anything around him," Reggie Rose said at the time.

Then a couple weeks after this report teammates said he can dunk like he used to. Sounds like....

"It could be tomorrow and I feel like I could play the next game," said Rose, who tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his knee during the playoffs last year. "Nobody knows but God."

Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said Rose was most likely out for Thursday night's game against the Portland Trail Blazers.

Rose said in a February interview with USA Today that he was in the "high 80s" as far as being back to 100 percent healthy, but he did not want to put a percentage on his health after Thursday's shootaround.

"I really don't know right now," Rose said. "I don't want to place no percentage on it, but I just know that I'm close and I'm taking every day serious and just becoming a professional."

Rose, 24, reiterated that he had no date in mind after which he would consider it too late to come back this season. He tore his left ACL on April 28 and underwent surgery on May 12.

"Not at all," he said. "I feel like when I'm ready to come back I'll be ready no matter what it is. ... Whenever I'm ready, I'm going to be out there."

Rose said that he can feel the explosion coming back into his game.

"It's coming," he said. "I'm not panicking or anything. If anything, I think I'm going to be a better player.

"I'm not panicking or anything. If anything, I think I'm going to be a better player. I'm just taking my time. I'm just being patient, doing all the right things and really eating right and getting rest."

Rose does believe that he has gotten stronger with the constant rehab he has been doing over the past 10 months since his surgery.

"I'm way stronger," Rose said. "Way stronger. I'm just seeing how I'm going to put that in my game. I don't know yet. But when we're playing 5-on-5, just trying to pick the right spots and really just trying to find out how strong I am."

Rose also acknowledged that he is still fighting through the same general soreness and pain that he has been dealing with throughout the process.

"It's still about the same," he said. "Where when you warm up a little bit [the knee] will be loose then the activity will pick up then it will get back sore. [I'm] just fighting through that."

Rose said his support staff, including his teammates, has played a huge role in overcoming the mental obstacles.

"It's tough, definitely challenging, but having my teammates behind me and my team behind me, with [agent] B.J. [Armstrong], my brother [Reggie] and my family, they made everything smooth," Rose said. "I'm just trying to ride this wave, and hopefully I'll be out there.

"It's big, man. When I've got my teammates behind me and they see how hard I'm pushing in practice and I'm seeing how hard their fighting for me on the court, it makes me want to go harder. It makes me want to be out there more, but you've got to look at the big picture."

He said he wants to return, but he framed it in a larger context.

"[I want to return] bad," he said. "But knowing my health is the biggest key, where I'm only 24 years old, I've got the whole future in front of me. I'm just trying to take my time."

Although some point to other athletes who have returned from ACL surgery in a shorter amount of time and wonder if Rose has suffered a setback, Rose said that's not the case.

"Not at all," he said. "It's just getting used to -- my activity picked up a little bit, so just getting used to running, playing 5-on-5. Just doing everything like how I used to do it."

When you say stuff like "Nobody Knows But God" it's more mental than physical. He's practicing just fine.... go out and play a few minutes to pass another test. For crying out loud half our roster got injured in practices so really if it's about risk maybe just maybe he shouldn't be practicing. He lacks confidence and courage...Bawk Bawk Bawk Chicken POINT BLANK PERIOD!!!!

Nobody is suggesting he try and jump from the free throw line and dunk(although that's what he wants to mentally get himself to do to his hearts desire)...but when I think of Willis Reed and see Kobe do what he did, and with his big mouth brother talkin, and Noah limping in the playoffs, while he's getting paid 100 mio to be patient and rest without trying for real....naaah I lose respect.

Andrew wrote:How about this for an alternative explanation to the Bulls/Rose scenario? Rose is lukewarm on coming back, and the Bulls have told him to take the season off. Insurance pays his salary if he misses the entire year. Coming back for a handful of games costs the Bulls 16M?

Knowing how cheap the Bulls are you are probably correct. Highly likely that Chicago management feels no need to pressure Rose to come back if they can pocket 16 million. Pretty sure they werent getting by Miami with a gimpy Rose anyway.

Andrew wrote:How about this for an alternative explanation to the Bulls/Rose scenario? Rose is lukewarm on coming back, and the Bulls have told him to take the season off. Insurance pays his salary if he misses the entire year. Coming back for a handful of games costs the Bulls 16M?

I think that's the most likely explanation, but like I said, if I'm the insurance company I'd despute the payment. Otherwise what's stopping any team from keeping a player out all season after an injury to cash in on the insurance?

Now his teammates are being real cool about it and big up to them if their comments are genuine but real talk I'm sorry I don't know if I could talk to him right now.....

holfresh wrote:How do u question Rose's commitment, let alone his readiness???..This guy plays at a very elite level and who can judge where he is now, not even the doctors can do that...Maybe only LeBron plays at that physical level now and maybe only MJ or Kobe before him....The guy probably has at least another 12/14 years ahead of him, what does he have to prove now??...These comments are more naive than substantive...

Players shouldn't talk to him???...Rose can probably have them traded!!!!

Questioning his toughness may stem from this....

Don't sell him to the masses prematurely in this manner. Shame on Adidas, His Brother, D-Rose, and The Bulls....Whoever pushed their chips to the table and went ALL-IN lost.

You make this commercial when he's told you for a certainty he's coming back and provided a date.