ToddTT wrote:

martin wrote:

shinmen wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:Thibs is like a skilled mechanic who revived an old car, but when entering the big race, he couldn’t get the car out of first gear—great at the rebuild, but never able to hit top speed when it mattered most.

Would add more context:
Who just drove us to the best result in 25 years.
And who finished 3rd in this year’s premier race and has built the race car to respectability and beat the defending champion. But gets fired after the race.
Think the only reason you fire a coach is because he failed to meet expectations or has lost his team. Nothing I feel Thibs has done.

With this type of thinking, we should release KAT, JB, OG, Bridges, Hart, MR and Deuce. Who all made many mistakes and did not play their best. Unless we want to blame Thibs for shooting percentages and many dumb unforced turnovers. While we are at it, for Rose for the incomplete roster he handed Thibs?

Some context regarding player performance mentioned above:

KAT 36% from 3pt. In foul trouble 4 out of 6 games. Deuce 33fg 313pt.
Brunson 33% 3pt, 2 5 TO games. Averaged 5 dimes including a 1 assist game vs Hali’s 10.5. APG
OG 29% 3pt including 2 14% games.
Bridges 9 total foul shot attempts for entire series as a SG = SOFT
MR No need to lookup offensive stats especially FT’s
Hart , like in Atlanta series cost us the most. 18% 3pt and -27 for series.

As always, Coach is first target.tube we can be better with another coach.
But no one is going to tell me this was dirty or well deserved.

I don't think anyone is putting all the blame on Thibs. It's his job however that his player are put in the best position to succeed. Following this year, the FO judged that it was not the case. The FO didn't feel any pressure to fire the coach after a disappointing season. As you stated, they managed to reach ECF.

Apart from KAT, Jalen, Mikal, OG and Miles had their worst 3pts shooting % of the last few years. They didn't forget how to shoot. They were not put in position for quality shots.

The roster is formidable. Far from perfect but largely superior to Detroit's whom they almost lost to. A few possessions that goes the wrong way and they lose in the first round. There's something wrong in the way they played. Not to say Thibs is bad coach but he's not the right fit for this roster.

It's a good take

Aaaannndd... we're f***ed.

Bing Bong Mutha****a!

Imagine taking Brunson, the Trainer and now Kidd...can we just chalk this up as a penalty for tanking that pick we should have gotten from them?

VDesai wrote:Kidd rumors definitely picking up steam. He coached Brunson that last year too, and obviously has some Giannis ties.

Imagine taking Brunson, the Trainer and now Kidd...can we just chalk this up as a penalty for tanking that pick we should have gotten from them?

and we won the KP trade, right?
But Dallas did go to finals last year so in a way its a win-win until they traded Luka.
Mavs then get lottery lucky.

I thought I read Bucks had no interest in Luka for Giannis and it was. We'll never really know as it was all hush hush and Nico denying other interests is proper etiquette.

shinmen wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:Thibs is like a skilled mechanic who revived an old car, but when entering the big race, he couldn’t get the car out of first gear—great at the rebuild, but never able to hit top speed when it mattered most.

Would add more context:
Who just drove us to the best result in 25 years.
And who finished 3rd in this year’s premier race and has built the race car to respectability and beat the defending champion. But gets fired after the race.
Think the only reason you fire a coach is because he failed to meet expectations or has lost his team. Nothing I feel Thibs has done.

With this type of thinking, we should release KAT, JB, OG, Bridges, Hart, MR and Deuce. Who all made many mistakes and did not play their best. Unless we want to blame Thibs for shooting percentages and many dumb unforced turnovers. While we are at it, for Rose for the incomplete roster he handed Thibs?

Some context regarding player performance mentioned above:

KAT 36% from 3pt. In foul trouble 4 out of 6 games. Deuce 33fg 313pt.
Brunson 33% 3pt, 2 5 TO games. Averaged 5 dimes including a 1 assist game vs Hali’s 10.5. APG
OG 29% 3pt including 2 14% games.
Bridges 9 total foul shot attempts for entire series as a SG = SOFT
MR No need to lookup offensive stats especially FT’s
Hart , like in Atlanta series cost us the most. 18% 3pt and -27 for series.

As always, Coach is first target.tube we can be better with another coach.
But no one is going to tell me this was dirty or well deserved.

I don't think anyone is putting all the blame on Thibs. It's his job however that his player are put in the best position to succeed. Following this year, the FO judged that it was not the case. The FO didn't feel any pressure to fire the coach after a disappointing season. As you stated, they managed to reach ECF.

Apart from KAT, Jalen, Mikal, OG and Miles had their worst 3pts shooting % of the last few years. They didn't forget how to shoot. They were not put in position for quality shots.

The roster is formidable. Far from perfect but largely superior to Detroit's whom they almost lost to. A few possessions that goes the wrong way and they lose in the first round. There's something wrong in the way they played. Not to say Thibs is bad coach but he's not the right fit for this roster.

Would disagree with the notion they missed their threes because they were in bad positions.
We all saw how Indiana hit wide open threes and we missed them. Indiana also stepped up and hit some really tough threes. Several to complete the series changing first game.
So don’t really like hearing that a coaches job is to give you gimmies.
We know how you have to play if you want to win a chip. And it’s not handed to you by coaches game calls.

Did Thibs fail to push all the right buttons. Of course. That’s one of the reason why we lost.
But was he the main reason we lost? Not what the eye test says nor what the stat lines show.
Feel some of the reasons were one, having over 15 turnovers a game. Most unforced so not on the coach. Can’t win a chip with that many.
Secondly, not hitting foul shots. Which killed us in several games. Also not on the coach
But would argue the main reason was that our roster was not as good as Indianas!
We can go from position to position and we would see Indiana was better.

Has to be something bigger in the plans.

HofstraBBall wrote:

shinmen wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

blkexec wrote:Thibs is like a skilled mechanic who revived an old car, but when entering the big race, he couldn’t get the car out of first gear—great at the rebuild, but never able to hit top speed when it mattered most.

Would add more context:
Who just drove us to the best result in 25 years.
And who finished 3rd in this year’s premier race and has built the race car to respectability and beat the defending champion. But gets fired after the race.
Think the only reason you fire a coach is because he failed to meet expectations or has lost his team. Nothing I feel Thibs has done.

With this type of thinking, we should release KAT, JB, OG, Bridges, Hart, MR and Deuce. Who all made many mistakes and did not play their best. Unless we want to blame Thibs for shooting percentages and many dumb unforced turnovers. While we are at it, for Rose for the incomplete roster he handed Thibs?

Some context regarding player performance mentioned above:

KAT 36% from 3pt. In foul trouble 4 out of 6 games. Deuce 33fg 313pt.
Brunson 33% 3pt, 2 5 TO games. Averaged 5 dimes including a 1 assist game vs Hali’s 10.5. APG
OG 29% 3pt including 2 14% games.
Bridges 9 total foul shot attempts for entire series as a SG = SOFT
MR No need to lookup offensive stats especially FT’s
Hart , like in Atlanta series cost us the most. 18% 3pt and -27 for series.

As always, Coach is first target.tube we can be better with another coach.
But no one is going to tell me this was dirty or well deserved.

I don't think anyone is putting all the blame on Thibs. It's his job however that his player are put in the best position to succeed. Following this year, the FO judged that it was not the case. The FO didn't feel any pressure to fire the coach after a disappointing season. As you stated, they managed to reach ECF.

Apart from KAT, Jalen, Mikal, OG and Miles had their worst 3pts shooting % of the last few years. They didn't forget how to shoot. They were not put in position for quality shots.

The roster is formidable. Far from perfect but largely superior to Detroit's whom they almost lost to. A few possessions that goes the wrong way and they lose in the first round. There's something wrong in the way they played. Not to say Thibs is bad coach but he's not the right fit for this roster.

Would disagree with the notion they missed their threes because they were in bad positions.
We all saw how Indiana hit wide open threes and we missed them. Indiana also stepped up and hit some really tough threes. Several to complete the series changing first game.
So don’t really like hearing that a coaches job is to give you gimmies.
We know how you have to play if you want to win a chip. And it’s not handed to you by coaches game calls.

Did Thibs fail to push all the right buttons. Of course. That’s one of the reason why we lost.
But was he the main reason we lost? Not what the eye test says nor what the stat lines show.
Feel the main reason was having over 15 turnovers a game. Most unforced so not on the coach.
Can’t win a chip with that many.
Secondly, not hitting foul shots. Which killed us in several games. Also not on the coach

When it comes to being on the spot and shooting those 3's , if course it's on the player. But look at it this way, lets compare two scenarios. One where the coach prioritizes an offense designed to get open 3's and another offense that doesn't. We give a full season( or 3) for both systems and then we put them in the ECF years later. The first team feels confident and those open shots come within the flow of the game. And you take team two that has to work tooth and nail to get an open 3 because the system is not designed for it. Are you telling me that the coaches in both scenarios have no influence on the 3 ball % ? Because of the system they implemented?

HofstraBBall wrote:

VDesai wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45453816/he-got-outcoached-why-new-york-knicks-fired-tom-thibodeau-their-most-successful-coach-decades

Gues Mazzipla is next. Got out coached by Thibs.
Then Atkinson. Got out coached by Carlisle.
Adelman, Finch as well?

These media talking points make me laugh.

WE GOT OUTPLAYED!

Outplayed and out-coached. Any other take is revisionist.

martin wrote:Man, how far has this FO and team gotten.

Got an UFA in Brunson and turned him into a 1A closer while also extending him well under market value. Traded for OG, despite lawsuits and poor trade history with Toronto. Swung an impossible deal with Brooklyn to get Mikal. Still had enough to trade for KAT.

And now the likes of Durant and Giannis are fluidly being thrown into chatter as Knicks trade candidates.

Their open coaching position is probably THE most desirable get if you are a candidate.

Knicks were 3 minutes of FUBAR away from pushing the ECF to 7 games.

And Dadiet will probably show signs of Durant lite this coming season. OK maybe not but I'm just seeing if everyone reads this far down in a post.

Wild stuff.

Great points.

Pacome Da-rant-diet

martin wrote:

VDesai wrote:Kidd rumors definitely picking up steam. He coached Brunson that last year too, and obviously has some Giannis ties.

Imagine taking Brunson, the Trainer and now Kidd...can we just chalk this up as a penalty for tanking that pick we should have gotten from them?

Hell yeah forgot about the tanking thing, they owe us

Derrick F***ing Lively would look so nice here