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Philc1
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6/24/2022  12:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2022  12:08 AM
Keels had an excellent game against Kentucky at MSG 7 months ago. That’s why they drafted him
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6/24/2022  1:04 AM

Yet another strike for not trying to tank when we had no chance for the playoffs. By the time the 11th pick came everyone they thought was worth drafting was gone. So now we kick the can down the road with multiple even worst picks. Situations like this will be forgotten by the anti tank group the next time we in the midst of a lost season and other fans want the Knicks to tank. Pistons tank and come out with a team packed with good young talent. We got rid of 8 to 9 mil of an already expiring contract and draft picks that are likely to turn into 2nd rounders in the far future. You have to be willing to be the butt of jokes for you to be bad enough to get real talent. We always go half way and end up the butt of jokes anyway without the talent after it. Now that I got that off my chest I am done complaining. Like I said before this is my coping mechanisms with being extremely disappointed by this team. Lets see what this FO does to maybe change our fortunes for the better during the off season.
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6/24/2022  1:19 AM
So we didn't draft ANYONE? That just kinda blows.
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6/24/2022  2:22 AM

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6/24/2022  4:32 AM
Detroit getting Jalen During makes it slightly less likely they she'd out big money for Robinson in free agency.
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6/24/2022  4:35 AM
Dallas drafting Jaden Hardy also means that maybe they don't want to pay the luxury tax for Brunson.
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6/24/2022  5:01 AM
What time is the press conference today announcing the firing of Leon Rose for incompetence? We can't just keep rewarding failures.
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6/24/2022  5:03 AM
Philc1 wrote:Seems like Knicks were expecting Chandler to fall to 42 and didn’t

The Knick brass expect the are the smartest in the NBA, they are not ..
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6/24/2022  5:40 AM
Clean wrote:

and we got to drop an already expiring Kemba. Tanking wins again.

Sheesh, have some self respect Woj- this is client 'journalism' in action where in exchange for them supplying the writer info, the writer then returns the favor by essentially writing whatever the source wants them to. It is a good job by Detroit, but it's just lame the way Shams and Woj rent themselves out for info.
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6/24/2022  5:46 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Remember that time we traded the 21 pick for the Charlotte pick and then traded the Charlotte pick for Reddish only to not play Reddish. That was fun.

Reminds me of that time we passed on Jalen Duren with the 11 pick for unknown with the idea we were getting the 13 pick and then Detroit swooped in and took the 13 pick instead and then felt sorry so they took Kemba off our hands.

I couldn’t be more unsatisfied.

And then tried to trade Reddish 2 weeks later to try and dump Burkes, to free up playing time for... Reddish. It's at that point I realized there is no ingenious 4d master plan. They simply craft Plan A, Plan B, Plan C and Plan B in every case by case situation, set their price for each and then methodically/tediously work their way down through each failing plan until they get to the contingency plan that they can execute. Sure, they 'hope' ultimately a star becomes available, but that's a hope not a master plan
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6/24/2022  5:55 AM
KnickDanger wrote:Haters are zoom bombing the draft thread -- enough for me -- I'm going to bed and will form some opinions when the dust settles.

Enjoy your misery gang!

I learnt from last years draft and din't watch the draft live- much less frustrating when you see it when it's done rather than trying to fathom out all the anal micro transactions of Brock Aller and the Knicks live.

Now the dust has settled it makes sense. We dumped Kemba, we plan on clearing space to make an offer for Brunson, but there's no guarantee he'll sign (we'll probably fail).

In addition we picked up 3 future firsts to add to the Mavs first, so now we have 4 extra firsts in the next 3 or 4 years, in addition to all our own, for trades if D Mitch or whoever ever becomes available and obtainable.

Of course after praising OKC for landing these firsts for years, now we have exactly the same first round picks (they were literally the same firsts OKC got praised for having), writers will laugh at us and say how useless these picks are and how heavily protected they are and undesirable they are and how we're idiots. Until we trade them to another team at which point he other team will be praised for landing first round picks.

I'll wait until after free agency to pass judgement, because this front office does just wrk through several competing plans until ne can be implemented on a case by case basis. Landing Brunson and 3 first for a future trade is okay. But we could just as easily end up pivoting to suddenly trading for Brogdon if we miss out on Brunson, which would be stupid.
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6/24/2022  5:58 AM
Clean wrote:

I am no draft expert but these picks seem crappy.

Well OKC have been praised as geniuses for having them all this time. They are literally the same picks. Not sure why they're great and ingenious if OKC have them, but as soon as we get them they're trash.
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6/24/2022  6:54 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:

I am no draft expert but these picks seem crappy.

Well OKC have been praised as geniuses for having them all this time. They are literally the same picks. Not sure why they're great and ingenious if OKC have them, but as soon as we get them they're trash.

Odds are they will be packaged ahead of time for someone.

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6/24/2022  6:59 AM
Clean wrote:

Yet another strike for not trying to tank when we had no chance for the playoffs. By the time the 11th pick came everyone they thought was worth drafting was gone. So now we kick the can down the road with multiple even worst picks. Situations like this will be forgotten by the anti tank group the next time we in the midst of a lost season and other fans want the Knicks to tank. Pistons tank and come out with a team packed with good young talent. We got rid of 8 to 9 mil of an already expiring contract and draft picks that are likely to turn into 2nd rounders in the far future. You have to be willing to be the butt of jokes for you to be bad enough to get real talent. We always go half way and end up the butt of jokes anyway without the talent after it. Now that I got that off my chest I am done complaining. Like I said before this is my coping mechanisms with being extremely disappointed by this team. Lets see what this FO does to maybe change our fortunes for the better during the off season.

I believe our front office would have said this regardless. They have been all in for Brunson, and I guess like when we shed contracts with draft assets to get played by LeBron, we're doing the same thing.

Honestly, if you have to shed assets to undo moves you made last summer in FA, you should rethink moves your about to make in FA.

I guess when you are win now, you think if Brunson is better/surer bet than what is at 11, you make that move.

This season is it for Leon Rose- if we fail to make the playoffs, he and everyone associated has to get fired. Injuries will not be an excuse.

They are going all in- they shouldn't wait to get fired- they should simply resign if we fail to make the playoffs.
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6/24/2022  7:11 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:

I am no draft expert but these picks seem crappy.

Well OKC have been praised as geniuses for having them all this time. They are literally the same picks. Not sure why they're great and ingenious if OKC have them, but as soon as we get them they're trash.


Because OKC still has picks to spare. If they wanted, they could've made an actually trade for Ivey if they wanted. We do things like waste picks on Cam Reddish, only to watch his value decrease on the bench. And they're doing the right thing in terms of talent aquisition and development. We stay running on a perpetual hamster wheel of late lottery picks.
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6/24/2022  7:33 AM
Knicks think they know basketball better than the entire league. That’s exactly how they acted— they blew up the draft after Johnny Davis was gone. Knicks smarter than Sam presti Knicks smarter than Memphis golden state Miami et al who were not out there dumping much later picks.the Knicks really made a big bet on there own as is team. That’s it
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6/24/2022  7:57 AM
Alondes Williams went undrafted,

This was a Chandler and Tyty Washington went at the end of the first l.

What a weak pg draft, and people were saying we should of drafted these guys at 11.
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6/24/2022  8:18 AM
i am clearly in the minority of reserving judgment on their moves. like most i wanted a shiny new toy, but the Knicks actions actually suggest real discipline and a plan to my eyes

they tried to get a star in Ivey but it takes two to dance. Failing that they figured cap space and assets are the next best thing. As smackeddog said, if some other team did what the Knicks did that team would be praised

Regarding tanking, i am not a fan. WHo has that worked for, Philly? Orlando? Houston? Of course one can argue you end up with a higher pick, but you also end up with a crappy team that is less good at developing its players because there is no talent to teach them, and no coach worth his salt is excited about going 20-60.

TO win, you need a solid organization from the strength and equipment guys all the way up. (BTW Pat Riley knew this better than anyone) Good drafting, smart decisions to remain flexible and take advantage of opportunities, great player development into your particular system. theyre all important

All that said, i do have concerns with this FO when it comes to FAs and the moves yesterday certainly suggest a FA move

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6/24/2022  8:29 AM
HoustonSprewell84 wrote:Alondes Williams went undrafted,

This was a Chandler and Tyty Washington went at the end of the first l.

What a weak pg draft, and people were saying we should of drafted these guys at 11.

um, don't think ANY KNICK FAN wanted these guys at 11, most mock drafts that put them at 11 were because they know the Knicks are desperate for a PG. The draft YOU NEVER draft for position of need, it best player available.
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6/24/2022  8:35 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:

I am no draft expert but these picks seem crappy.

Well OKC have been praised as geniuses for having them all this time. They are literally the same picks. Not sure why they're great and ingenious if OKC have them, but as soon as we get them they're trash.

Why do teams receiving these protected picks allow them to get converted to 2nd rounders if they have failed to convey after a few years, instead of the protection just going away? If you have to wait 5 years to get your pick, shouldn't it be a better pick, not a worse one?
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