TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:Still not seeing more than another Frank yet. We’ll see.

You don't see more than Frank? Seriously?
You don't see a comfort on the court that Frank NEVER had?
You don't see speed that he never had? Spring? Decisiveness? Passing skill?

Right now he’s in the boat of what is he contributing on offense if his shot ain’t falling? I don’t buy his passing game yet. I don’t see him getting to the rim. Both are very good defenders. McBride is slightly better than Frank but I need more to consider him as part of the core. Right now the definitive core is IQ RJ and Mitch.

Ok, if you cannot see the difference, I'm sorry for you, because to me Deuce's potential is exciting.
To me, there is no comparison between the two players.
Even that they both play good defense is not comparable, because even the way they play defense is completely different.
Frank disrupted with his length, Deuce with his speed and energy.
We can agree to disagree on this and check back in at the end of his rookie deal and compare again.

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:Still not seeing more than another Frank yet. We’ll see.

You don't see more than Frank? Seriously?
You don't see a comfort on the court that Frank NEVER had?
You don't see speed that he never had? Spring? Decisiveness? Passing skill?

Right now he’s in the boat of what is he contributing on offense if his shot ain’t falling? I don’t buy his passing game yet. I don’t see him getting to the rim. Both are very good defenders. McBride is slightly better than Frank but I need more to consider him as part of the core. Right now the definitive core is IQ RJ and Mitch.

Ok, if you cannot see the difference, I'm sorry for you, because to me Deuce's potential is exciting.
To me, there is no comparison between the two players.
Even that they both play good defense is not comparable, because even the way they play defense is completely different.
Frank disrupted with his length, Deuce with his speed and energy.
We can agree to disagree on this and check back in at the end of his rookie deal and compare again.

I was the one who said on draft night, after the pick. Deuce is INSTANTLY the best PG defender on the team. All you have to do is watch a persons footwork. Also when he played against the top picks in the draft, during the tournament. He dominated his matchup, like out playing Cade. So all of that woke me up and I just focused on deuce and his highlights and low lights. I’ve also played ball with guys that eventually got drafted and some killed it in the league and other didn’t do shet like our one pick who later played for the lakers and now he’s out the league. Tall forward type. I forgot his name but I’m barely 6 ft and I was boxing him out and he’s legit 6’10. I told my boy after the game, he going to be terrible in the league. And he was. Played with Gilbert arenas and said they going to call carry on him every play. And he became an nba star player.

Deuce has all the nba level intangles and agility for his size. Football player so I knew he was tough. Coached by a respected defensive coach. Well liked and humble. I did my work in this kid. So it was obvious he could’ve contributed on defense alone from day 1. What surprised me was his 3 pt shot and ability to lead a team on offense and defense on the gleague. Certain players skill set can translate very easy. But I’ve also been wrong before like agent zero who turned into a star. That’s the fun part that Briggs and I enjoy. Now Briggs takes it too far and will list 20 players in the draft and say they all stars or solid. When one of them becomes a star, he starts a thread of “I told u so”. I’m similar but on a smaller scale for mostly knick players. I did say Lebron was going to be a super star when I saw him play in HS. But that was easy. Did t think kyrie was going to be kyrie. But deuce, grimes (killed in on per draft full court games), and sims since I was living in texas I had my texas connections. Saw him hit his head on the rim and I’m like sold. Second round rim runner. That’s a win.

But deuce is exactly what I thought he would be. And now it looks like his potential is even higher since he had thibs eye and looks like a stable rotation player. Thibs will turn him into a better version of marcus smart. In my opinion. Can’t wait to see how the FO rebuilds this team. That a dream job of mine. Putting together s championship team. I don’t know shet about salaries or the cap. But I’m good at seeing certain skills and how they mesh together.

Randle and RJ don’t compliment each other. It’s like driving a fast car that’s not efficient. Wasted unnecessary energy with Randles iso Kobe imitation. His problem is Kobe was his mentor and he’s not on Kobe level. I rather have the humble players that are good vs the vets that are over confident. Even though is is technically still young. But his game hasn’t change or evolved. He still does it all when he’s not skilled enough to do it all.

But back to deuce. It was clear how he would impact a team that’s the polar opposite of him at the guard position. Kemba and EF on defense hurts my eyes sometimes. EF has been better but inconsistent. He’s a solid offensive punch off the bench.

TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:Still not seeing more than another Frank yet. We'll see.

You don't see more than Frank? Seriously?
You don't see a comfort on the court that Frank NEVER had?
You don't see speed that he never had? Spring? Decisiveness? Passing skill?

Right now hes in the boat of what is he contributing on offense if his shot ain;t falling? I don;t buy his passing game yet. I dont see him getting to the rim. Both are very good defenders. McBride is slightly better than Frank but I need more to consider him as part of the core. Right now the definitive core is IQ RJ and Mitch.

Ok, if you cannot see the difference, I'm sorry for you, because to me Deuce's potential is exciting.
To me, there is no comparison between the two players.
Even that they both play good defense is not comparable, because even the way they play defense is completely different.
Frank disrupted with his length, Deuce with his speed and energy.
We can agree to disagree on this and check back in at the end of his rookie deal and compare again.

Sorry but Im not falling for this trap for the Xth time. Some undersized 3rd stringer PG comes along who shows a little bit of promise only for him to be out the league in year 2/3.

Fair enough. But for me this will be the first time aside from Lin) I've been excited about a Knicks PG since Marbury.

TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:Still not seeing more than another Frank yet. We’ll see.

You don't see more than Frank? Seriously?
You don't see a comfort on the court that Frank NEVER had?
You don't see speed that he never had? Spring? Decisiveness? Passing skill?

Right now he’s in the boat of what is he contributing on offense if his shot ain’t falling? I don’t buy his passing game yet. I don’t see him getting to the rim. Both are very good defenders. McBride is slightly better than Frank but I need more to consider him as part of the core. Right now the definitive core is IQ RJ and Mitch.

Ok, if you cannot see the difference, I'm sorry for you, because to me Deuce's potential is exciting.
To me, there is no comparison between the two players.
Even that they both play good defense is not comparable, because even the way they play defense is completely different.
Frank disrupted with his length, Deuce with his speed and energy.
We can agree to disagree on this and check back in at the end of his rookie deal and compare again.

Sorry but I’m not falling for this trap for the Xth time. Some undersized 3rd stringer PG comes along who shows a little bit of promise only for him to be out the league in year 2/3.

I understand. We as knick fans have been fooled several times with these young players not reaching the fans expectations. That’s why I try to aim low.

Panos wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Panos wrote:

TPercy wrote:Still not seeing more than another Frank yet. We'll see.

You don't see more than Frank? Seriously?
You don't see a comfort on the court that Frank NEVER had?
You don't see speed that he never had? Spring? Decisiveness? Passing skill?

Right now hes in the boat of what is he contributing on offense if his shot ain;t falling? I don;t buy his passing game yet. I dont see him getting to the rim. Both are very good defenders. McBride is slightly better than Frank but I need more to consider him as part of the core. Right now the definitive core is IQ RJ and Mitch.

Ok, if you cannot see the difference, I'm sorry for you, because to me Deuce's potential is exciting.
To me, there is no comparison between the two players.
Even that they both play good defense is not comparable, because even the way they play defense is completely different.
Frank disrupted with his length, Deuce with his speed and energy.
We can agree to disagree on this and check back in at the end of his rookie deal and compare again.

Sorry but Im not falling for this trap for the Xth time. Some undersized 3rd stringer PG comes along who shows a little bit of promise only for him to be out the league in year 2/3.

Fair enough. But for me this will be the first time aside from Lin) I've been excited about a Knicks PG since Marbury.

Good to be enthusiastic! From your lips to gods ears I hope Deuce is a HOF and the steal of the decade.
Can’t imagine anyone thinking differently. Until then we really just talking about the path to get him the best opportunity and there is no real fan knowledge other than hindsight after the fact.

Frank’s defense was quite good and we forget he could change a game with it. The residual aftermath is his tentative offensive acumen. Miles is a very different player

Let's not get carried away. I never said he was HOF material. I said he potential to be an impact player.

You know who was impactful without playing many minutes? Theo! If Duece can have half the impact as Theo then he will be a draft day steal.

Panos wrote:Deuce tonight
23 pts on 70%/33%/80%, 5 RB, 5 A, 3 STL

Damn I missed the game. Plus I was just thinking about moving this thread up. Unleash the Deuce. Time to look at his highlights. I want to see how he scored. But this is a lockdown defender putting up buckets? And knick fans still don’t believe? Oh because thibs not playing him. Grimes would’ve been in the gleague as well and knick fans would say, thibs ain’t playing him for a reason. Thibs knows best.

Personally I’m waiting for thibs to fail so that we can get a coach aligned with this youth movement. Thibs is a veterans coach. I just hope Deuce understands his time will come and I hope he keeps improving. I almost want him to be traded just to see him play against nba talent for longer than a few games. I think his impact on defense alone was enough for me to say he needs a spot on this team. Don’t let his offense catchup to his defense.

smackeddog wrote:

TheGame wrote:I just have to say in watching McBride, I don't think he can be a starting NBA PG. At least, I don't think he would ever be a top-15 PG in this league. He just is not a shot facilitator and he has a slow first step. But I am also convinced that he can be an above average backup PG in the mold of a Patrick Beverly. His defense is above average, and he can consistently hit an open 3 point shot. He is never going to beat out Brunson, Rose, and Quickley for PG minutes, so he likely is going to be traded within the next year and a half unless we trade Quickley.

Remember Elfrid Payton and Burke were starting NBA PG's for us

I understand but never is a strong word. I’m sure people attached never in front of Payton’s name all the time. But I don’t think 🤔 anybody is debating that. My guess is most people feel the same way about deuce. But 2 way players especially at the PG position is hard to come by and usually cost. Hard to find someone who can guard most nba PGs on the league. For the Knicks and fans sake (assuming he’s not traded) let’s hope his offensive game improves so he can get some burn. deuce is a scoring combo guard not a facilitating floor general. Not yet. But even in college he was a scoring PG with lockdown Defense. Not bad to have ha weapon available off the bench.

If we get Donovan my guess either him or both him and rose will be gone.

If McBride continues his solid play in the next three preseason games, it may serve the Knicks well to preserve Rose for the long haul.

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