martin wrote:Wow, GOP Senator:

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Exactly what is needed. Money directly to the people. Can’t trust anything else

NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.

The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.

Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.

There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.

Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.

We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.

Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"

It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.

Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that

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martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.

The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.

Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.

There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.

Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.

We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.

Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"

It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.

Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that

It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."

If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.

NotInMyHouse wrote:

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.

The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.

Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.

There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.

Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.

We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.

Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"

It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.

Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that

It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."

If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.

Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.

You are not getting the underlying facts right.

martin wrote:

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The federal govt which typically bureaucracy weighted down is a $hit show right now because incompetency at the top and a Has been hollowed out with many of the govt infrastructure not with staff or have been cut entirely and what is left is bootlickers and *** kissers

Florida has folks waiting on line for 3 to 4 hours to file paper claims....ridiculous

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.

The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.

Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.

There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.

Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.

We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.

Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"

It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.

Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that

It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."

If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.

Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.

You are not getting the underlying facts right.

Trump is definitely whack for suggesting people start taking this drug.

That said there is a new study or two by the Chinese showing a different hypothesis for the how the virus works. Previously everyone thought it makes it harder for people to breathe, their lungs get damaged and stop working. Meaning they can't take air in anymore. The new study shows that the virus doesn't directly attack the lungs at all. Instead it attacks red blood cell in our blood because it needs a type of organic compound called porphyrins to carry out it's own life cycle. In human blood red blood cells carry porphryins which combine with Iron ions to form Haeme a pigment which combines with beta-globin(a protein) to form hemoglobin. This virus is releasing the iron ions from hemoglobin and rendering the red blood cells incapable of carrying oxygen to the tissues and organs from the lungs. As a secondary impact the liberated free radicals (iron ions) can cause oxidative damage to your body and especially the lungs. The body has some built in mechanisms to capture these ions and deal with them (in the lungs) but those get overwhelmed as the level of free iron ions in the blood rise. The ensuing damage to the lungs is what is responsible for the ground glass like opacity shown by the lungs x-rays of terminal COVID-19 patients. Previously it was being treated as proof of pneumonia in the lungs which creates similar opacity but it's usually limited to one side of the lungs. The COVID19 damage is bilateral (both sides) and not caused by pneumonia - according to this study.

If this study is proved right by peer review, then Trump in all his ****-brained ignorance may accidentally be proved right. Because chloroquine does helps the absorptions of zinc into body cells and increases the intra-cellular ph levels both of which a detrimental to the release of viral DNA. Also if the study proves right intubation to increase air flow to the lungs has zero-impact until almost at he end, when in most cases it's already too late.

ekstarks94 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:

martin wrote:

NotInMyHouse wrote:Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.

The MSM is not vilifying the drug, they are vilifying the snake oil salesman messenger who is telling you to take the drug for no apparent good reason.

Dr Fauci and Dr Brix are not telling anyone to take the drug. Generally, scientists are not telling you to take the drug or that it is a suitable for covid patients.

There is a clear and very purposeful protocol - path - to making sure a drug is AOK for patients. Just because a drug is OK for one purpose does not mean it should be used willy nilly for other purposes, ask your doctor about that and the risks involved. This is science and drugs 101 and people like Dr Fauci and others know this, have lived it their entire lives, because they are not snake oil salesman.

Trump keeps rhetorically asking while touting the drug, "What have you got to loose"? Your life. There are known side effects - deadly ones - which are never simultaneously discusses. When you are prescribed a drug or when you and your doctor discuss possible drugs to take with any affliction, side effects are and should ALWAYS be discussed, and they are particular from patient to patient.

We have a lot of dumb dumbs in American. They ingest Tide pods. No need to rush the airwaves on something that is not FDA and Dr Fauci approved. Listen to him.

Again, would you take financial advice from your family physician? I know some good uses for vegetable oil from cooking (plus I'm an engineer!) but would never recommend you put it in your car and ask you "What have you got to lose?"

It's not the drug itself, it's the message and messenger.

Wash you hands, wear a mask and gloves while going out, keep your distance, don't gather, don't eat Tide pods, drink lots of water with Vitamin C, keep breathing deep, and know that when you have that morning coffee and it smells like heaven, it's another day you likely don't have symptoms. Like that

It all comes down to a doctor Martin. No one is saying to do anything.
It is not MSM's job to tell us what to take. They are not doctors.
Niether is Trump's. But both have the right to say "You can speak to your doctor about this."

If my physician told me about a stock and said "Why don't you speak to your financial advisor about it if it interests you." I might, but I'm not going to listen to him about buying stock anymore than CNN or The President about taking or not taking a drug treatment. But I might speak to my doctor about it.

Trump keeps saying that you should take the drug, what have you got to lose. MSM keeps saying that Trump is whack for saying it. That’s the bottom line.

You are not getting the underlying facts right.

Trump is definitely whack for suggesting people start taking this drug.

That said there is a new study or two by the Chinese showing a different hypothesis for the how the virus works. Previously everyone thought it makes it harder for people to breathe, their lungs get damaged and stop working. Meaning they can't take air in anymore. The new study shows that the virus doesn't directly attack the lungs at all. Instead it attacks red blood cell in our blood because it needs a type of organic compound called porphyrins to carry out it's own life cycle. In human blood red blood cells carry porphryins which combine with Iron ions to form Haeme a pigment which combines with beta-globin(a protein) to form hemoglobin. This virus is releasing the iron ions from hemoglobin and rendering the red blood cells incapable of carrying oxygen to the tissues and organs from the lungs. As a secondary impact the liberated free radicals (iron ions) can cause oxidative damage to your body and especially the lungs. The body has some built in mechanisms to capture these ions and deal with them (in the lungs) but those get overwhelmed as the level of free iron ions in the blood rise. The ensuing damage to the lungs is what is responsible for the ground glass like opacity shown by the lungs x-rays of terminal COVID-19 patients. Previously it was being treated as proof of pneumonia in the lungs which creates similar opacity but it's usually limited to one side of the lungs. The COVID19 damage is bilateral (both sides) and not caused by pneumonia - according to this study.

If this study is proved right by peer review, then Trump in all his ****-brained ignorance may accidentally be proved right. Because chloroquine does helps the absorptions of zinc into body cells and increases the intra-cellular ph levels both of which a detrimental to the release of viral DNA. Also if the study proves right intubation to increase air flow to the lungs has zero-impact until almost at he end, when in most cases it's already too late.

Can you post a link to the study?

direct link to a pdf file

https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/pstorage-chemrxiv-899408398289/22129965/covid19202000328EN1.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1HVOW5V0CpoeR3sbf0vMqBi_xqIkqcr_6rHCLwZaXrT6wGGkt5DUeLzUM