nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

blkexec wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:i think its easier to find a cauley stein than a mudiay like pg, you can get a biyombo or a omer asik , mudiay is an exceptional pg with passing , rebounding and quickness skills, just needs to work on his shooting

I think its easier to find a Mudiay type because big guards are in.....defensive bigs with a touch like wcs is rare.....especially with a combination of rim protection and pg defense. Im back on the stein wagon after watching his latest video.

What I would give to find a way to come out of this draft with WCS and C.Payne......oh my goodness that would be awesome.

Oh I can imagine that Phil would also love to be able to make that happen too. That would be an AWESOME draft.

BRIGGS wrote:This reminds me a lot of Channing Frye when we drafted him. We bypassed Andrew Bynum. Isiah Thomas felt Channing Frye was the best player in the draft--ah Isiah not close on that one. He was a win now guy who had a few real good workouts--but like Stein came with a stigma of not really playing all that well in the actual game itself. I think there are some guys who can practice better and others who just seem to be gamers.
The correlation of Frye-Bynum Stein-Porzingis is there--same thing and I think same result.

Kaminsky reminds me of Channing Frye too

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This reminds me a lot of Channing Frye when we drafted him. We bypassed Andrew Bynum. Isiah Thomas felt Channing Frye was the best player in the draft--ah Isiah not close on that one. He was a win now guy who had a few real good workouts--but like Stein came with a stigma of not really playing all that well in the actual game itself. I think there are some guys who can practice better and others who just seem to be gamers.
The correlation of Frye-Bynum Stein-Porzingis is there--same thing and I think same result.

Kaminsky reminds me of Channing Frye too

Blocking some shots isn't the same as being able and willing to guard some smaller quicker player for 94 feet or being used to shut down the other teams best player. That's how WCS has been used. It's why I want him for this team. He will concentrate on D because he loves it and not just cuz someone wants him to try and be a defensive anchor. He relishes that role. Teams need players like that to be elite defensively.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This reminds me a lot of Channing Frye when we drafted him. We bypassed Andrew Bynum. Isiah Thomas felt Channing Frye was the best player in the draft--ah Isiah not close on that one. He was a win now guy who had a few real good workouts--but like Stein came with a stigma of not really playing all that well in the actual game itself. I think there are some guys who can practice better and others who just seem to be gamers.
The correlation of Frye-Bynum Stein-Porzingis is there--same thing and I think same result.

Kaminsky reminds me of Channing Frye too

kaminsky is more versatile and can drive and pass than frye

jbeachboy wrote:enny Payne, associate head coach of Kentucky, received glowing reviews from the New York Knicks on the workout of Willie Cauley-Stein.

Cauley-Stein worked out for the Knicks on Sunday.

“They were floored,’’ Payne told The Post. “I forwarded the text to Willie. He said, ‘It’s amazing people are shocked I can shoot the ball.’ I told him, ‘You never showed it — only in spurts.’ ”

Cauley-Stein is known for being an excellent defensive player.
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“Very rarely do you find 7-1 guys with his size and length who can move the way he moves,’’ Payne said. “Not quite at his level, but he’s John Wall-ish at 7-1. That kind of speed and athleticism. When you have a kid like that, the potential is there, talent is there. It’s just getting it where it’s shown.

“Willie can end up being an All-Star.”

I like Stein a lot, but that quote is not about his Knicks workout, which hasn't happened yet, it's likely from his Sacramento workout over the weekend, which we saw video of.

Kentucky associate coach Kenny Payne got a text from an NBA organization Sunday raving about how well Wildcats defensive center Willie Cauley-Stein shot during his workout there.

“They were floored,’’ Payne told The Post. “I forwarded the text to Willie. He said, ‘It’s amazing people are shocked I can shoot the ball.’ I told him, ‘You never showed it — only in spurts.’ ”

crzymdups wrote:

jbeachboy wrote:enny Payne, associate head coach of Kentucky, received glowing reviews from the New York Knicks on the workout of Willie Cauley-Stein.

Cauley-Stein worked out for the Knicks on Sunday.

“They were floored,’’ Payne told The Post. “I forwarded the text to Willie. He said, ‘It’s amazing people are shocked I can shoot the ball.’ I told him, ‘You never showed it — only in spurts.’ ”

Cauley-Stein is known for being an excellent defensive player.
impre
“Very rarely do you find 7-1 guys with his size and length who can move the way he moves,’’ Payne said. “Not quite at his level, but he’s John Wall-ish at 7-1. That kind of speed and athleticism. When you have a kid like that, the potential is there, talent is there. It’s just getting it where it’s shown.

“Willie can end up being an All-Star.”

I like Stein a lot, but that quote is not about his Knicks workout, which hasn't happened yet, it's likely from his Sacramento workout over the weekend, which we saw video of.

Kentucky associate coach Kenny Payne got a text from an NBA organization Sunday raving about how well Wildcats defensive center Willie Cauley-Stein shot during his workout there.

“They were floored,’’ Payne told The Post. “I forwarded the text to Willie. He said, ‘It’s amazing people are shocked I can shoot the ball.’ I told him, ‘You never showed it — only in spurts.’ ”

knicks1248 wrote:just don't understand how you can determine a potential star by him shooting in a empty, why don't they have scrimmages?

I can easily see him being able to put some of this to use in game action. Let's remember we're not asking him to be Tim Duncan. He's mostly going to be a player that has impact without the ball. What we want is for him to also be able to function in the flow of the offense when he does get the ball in scoring situations. He's still going to score a lot using his size and athletic ability to get Fast break dunks, Put Backs, Dump Offs, Alleyoops and Straight line drives to the basket. Being able to post and use his Jump Hook or Face Up and hit a mid range jumper would make him an even more potent player. He's got a very quick 1st step which people are underestimating.

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:just don't understand how you can determine a potential star by him shooting in a empty, why don't they have scrimmages?

I understand your point. I always thought teams did actually do some type of 3 on 3 scrimmaging, but apparently it's not something teams are doing now. In any event you can still gain a lot of info on the player even just doing the drills. Like I was very pleased to notice that WCS was just as smooth going with his left hand as he is with his right. If you want his Kings workout he moves great going left or right on his jump hook and layups. It's clear he's got actual talent that has gone untapped. Let's remember that he was focused on Football and that somewhat stunted his development. He's now putting in the time to fully focus on his offense and the results are showing IMO.

I can easily see him being able to put some of this to use in game action. Let's remember we're not asking him to be Tim Duncan. He's mostly going to be a player that has impact without the ball. What we want is for him to also be able to function in the flow of the offense when he does get the ball in scoring situations. He's still going to score a lot using his size and athletic ability to get Fast break dunks, Put Backs, Dump Offs, Alleyoops and Straight line drives to the basket. Being able to post and use his Jump Hook or Face Up and hit a mid range jumper would make him an even more potent player. He's got a very quick 1st step which people are underestimating.

He will have the same problems as Porzingis with back to the basket moves. But as his lower body gets stronger, that should change.....But if he's playing along side Melo and Monroe, then he will play the exact role he played at Kentucky. Hit open jumpers in half court, score in transition, and be our cleanup man.....Thats just his impact on offense. There's no need to discuss his defense.

nixluva wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This reminds me a lot of Channing Frye when we drafted him. We bypassed Andrew Bynum. Isiah Thomas felt Channing Frye was the best player in the draft--ah Isiah not close on that one. He was a win now guy who had a few real good workouts--but like Stein came with a stigma of not really playing all that well in the actual game itself. I think there are some guys who can practice better and others who just seem to be gamers.
The correlation of Frye-Bynum Stein-Porzingis is there--same thing and I think same result.

Kaminsky reminds me of Channing Frye too

Frye was an OK player once he found a role. The comparison is silly since Frye would never have a shot to be considered a possible DPOY. WCS has that kind of defensive talent. It's the same with Kaminsky. WCS is a defensive stud with some ability on offense, whereas Frye and Kaminsky are the complete opposite. KrisP is a little of both but not quite the defender that WCS is. It's not clear that KrisP will have that kind of defensive aggression.

Blocking some shots isn't the same as being able and willing to guard some smaller quicker player for 94 feet or being used to shut down the other teams best player. That's how WCS has been used. It's why I want him for this team. He will concentrate on D because he loves it and not just cuz someone wants him to try and be a defensive anchor. He relishes that role. Teams need players like that to be elite defensively.

knicks1248 wrote:just don't understand how you can determine a potential star by him shooting in a empty, why don't they have scrimmages?

You don't have scrimmages because nobody wants a player to get hurt in a scrimmage.

You can use game tape to figure out a lot of what a player has and a workout shows how athletic the guy is and can show you things that you don't see on film.