crzymdups wrote:ric bucher also broke the amar'e stoudamire to the warriors deal live on TV at the NBA draft. he's not infallible.

i thought the deal was agreed to until don nelson got curry and totally backed out of it.

djsunyc wrote:

crzymdups wrote:ric bucher also broke the amar'e stoudamire to the warriors deal live on TV at the NBA draft. he's not infallible.

i thought the deal was agreed to until don nelson got curry and totally backed out of it.

...so maybe that's why he's not putting any of this tmac stuff in writing? surely bucher must know everyone is lying to him at this point until something gets done.

A trade might be "dead" until Wednesday/Thursday when one side gets desperate enough to concede the necessary amount to make a deal. Morey could come down on his demands and/or Walsh could decide that giving up a first round pick on top of Hill is worth it.

Of course, there is also the possibility that these two teams realize there is no match between them...

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:i've talked myself into this trade

ABSOLUTE best case scenario...we sign two awesome free agents and make the playoffs next season.

the picks aren't really that great and when Curry comes off the books our promising playoff Knicks sign an awesome pg or center or whatever we need to supplement the 2 guys we get from LBJ, Wade, Bosh, Amare, etc.

and the 2012 pick is a wack pick too

and Jordan Hill never develops into anything

then this is totally a great trade for us....

within the next 5 seasons we win a championship that makes up for any great young players (including Hill) that we gave up. Even if the draft picks and Hill develop into awesome players it'll be worth it if this gamble pays off.

One day the Celtic may regret trading Al Jefferson away but I'll take the championship.

dude, the Celtics got back Kevin Garnett in that deal... huge difference to a broken down Tracy McGrady coming off microfracture surgery.

not THAT big of a difference..theoretically we're trading blablabla for a broken down Tracy McGrady and the opportunity to sign big FA XYZ this offseason. so it's really trading a promising young player (Hill..i think) and draft picks for a big name star who we sign with the extra $9 M cap space from Jefferies.

how is it not THAT big of a difference??? KG was nowhere near a broken down ex-Allstar when the Celtics traded for him like T-Mac is... he was the main cog in their championship run dude! they did not trade Al Jefferson so they could sign a FA, they traded him so they could get Kevin Garnett.

the trade is essentially youth (Al Jefferson = Jordan Hill + draft picks) for established talent (KG = whoever we sign with the cap space when T-Mac comes off the books).

This would be different if T-Mac still had multiple years left on his contract. But he doesn't. We're not trading for T-Mac really...we're trading for cap space to sign a max FA.

Get it? Am I missing something?

djsunyc wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:This would be different if T-Mac still had multiple years left on his contract. But he doesn't. We're not trading for T-Mac really...we're trading for cap space to sign a max FA.

Get it? Am I missing something?

you can probably get ray allen for this same deal. the knicks ARE trading for tmac b/c if he plays well, i think they would consider bringing him back. i think he's a fall back of sorts.

yeah, i agree with that. i think tmac and arenas will be the last ditch fall backs if bron, wade and joe johnson all land elsewhere.

but, the real coup of this deal is dumping jeffries and hill to create enough cap space to sign two max guys. i really think that is the difference between getting bron or wade this summer. one guy isn't enough. they need two studs. it's the way of the league.

TMS wrote:

JayNYC wrote:why are so many NYK Fans hung up on this 2012 pick? let alone jordan hill?

there were people up in arms about us including the pick we're giving up in 2010 in the Marbury trade & we should have listened to them... we should have also listened to those people who were up in arms over us including the swap rights to our 1st round pick with no lottery protection in the Curry trade.

I understand.. but my question is directly related to the Ultimate Goal.. Attain two max players in 2010. Does anyone have any Idea of who is coming out in 2012?.. Moreover, does anyone actually believe that A SUPERSTAR PLAYER will sign with us in the off season and not be assured of our team creating a winning environment?

Two MAX Free agent signings, puts us in better position to win... Assuming we get one MAX contract next year, would said player be willing to wait TWO MORE YEARS BEYOND That for a pick that would otherwise be an unknown anyway?

I dunno.. but I'd pull the trigger on the deal, even if it is at the expense of Jordan Hill and a 2012 1st

crzymdups wrote:here's what bucher supposedly said on ESPN radio via Realgm:

" Everything I've heard is that Tracy McGrady is not ready to play, and wont be this season, despite whatever other advertising there may be, actually the latest I've heard is that the conversation with the Houston Rockets has gone away with the Knicks. It's probably not going to happen. I've heard that from a number of sources, it was a number of pieces, Jordan Hill, Jared Jeffries, Al Harrington, a swap of next years first round picks, and the Knicks PROTECTED 2012 1st round pick. That sound to me like a deal that was forwarded by the Houston Rockets, if you want Tracy McGrady and really too rich for the Knicks blood."

Well that makes sense...

djsunyc wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:This would be different if T-Mac still had multiple years left on his contract. But he doesn't. We're not trading for T-Mac really...we're trading for cap space to sign a max FA.

Get it? Am I missing something?

you can probably get ray allen for this same deal. the knicks ARE trading for tmac b/c if he plays well, i think they would consider bringing him back. i think he's a fall back of sorts.

What send Boston, JHill and draft picks? Excuse me while I hurl.