earthmansurfer wrote:Like him or hate him, we all should watch him on 60 minutes. I haven't finished yet, just throwing it out there to see the New President.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

jrodmc wrote:It's so nice. The whining level here is approaching near hysterical levels. Trump is now responsible for all racism and sexist attitudes extant in the country. Including any idiot rednecks in Florida.

I did not support or vote for or even think Trump was worth anything more than truly cynical remarks.

I can't remember if the hanging chads group was this petulantly whiney, all those years ago, but man, get over it and move on.

We just emerged from 8 years of hope and change, where we elected a junior, practically no-show senator who made one great convention speech. Apparently, a TV reality show clown freak with absolutely no political experience was all it took to end any possible immediate continuation of that. Ponder that while you're whining.

I'm just concerned that the Donald is going to waste government funds tearing down Obama's White House basketball court...

meloshouldgo wrote:

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arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Seriously, look at the bright side and give this a chance.

voting for someone running on a platform of racism and sexism makes one complicit with it. at the very core...people that voted for trump said loud and clear..."racism and sexism does not matter b/c it does not effect me". both sides can talk policy all they want but it does not change that.

i don't mean to personally insult anybody here but that's how i feel. people of color and women have been suppressed for so long and to right the wrongs of history, there needs to be change and evolution and that includes making sure people of color and women are lifted to a higher status. that's not entitlement - that's paying for your sins. there is systematic racism and sexism still highly prevalent and this election set back the slight progress that's been made.

i debated whether to post this opinion of mine but i'm still trying to make sense of things and this forum has provided me a place to release thoughts and feelings - even if they are incoherent.

Keep posing this stuff..Many of us agree with you..I'm still trying to process it myself..I'm just too frustrated to put down any thought out response...

My kids were shocked at the results and hurt to be honest...I had to have a talk with them about the outcome the following morning before they went to school..I had to explain that nothing has changed outside our doors..That the things I have told them over the years about honesty and having respect for others still hold true and is still a virtue..We have to work hard and take care of our own...

So keep it coming, it reinforces that fact that there are still sane people out there...

I get your pain. The worst part is there's a million more of us than Trump voters. We're just not strategically located in swing states.

For some reason we blame person who said what he think and not people who think like he said and elected him to represent them.
Trump see people as they are - for the most part still not very civilized.
And he used his knowledge of people to get elected and have an ability to influence how the country and world will move forward.
Now we will start finding out what Trump really thinks not what he says.
I will judge him by his deeds not by his pre-election propaganda.

What bothers me is you Trump supporters do the same thing he does, invent your own narratives minus context and all of the facts.

Trump ran such a "great campaign" YET he received fewer total votes than Mitt Romney in 2012 (who he called a terrible candidate) and he received over a 1/2 million fewer votes than his opponent. This in spite of voter suppression efforts, FBI interference, foreign entities impacting the election (wikileaks), and running against one of the most flawed democrat candidates in recent political history.

And you want to portray him as a genius? Give me a break! This election was basically the Browns vs the Jaguars in the super bowl and the winner was going to be who was the less bad team. And all you folks who voted for Trump because he going to "shake up" Washington, watch how many Washington insiders he appoints to key decision making positions. Mike Flynn, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, and Reince Priebus is "change?" Wow you guys got conned!

I am not Trump supporter.
It does not make sense to support or reject the storm or earthquake.
They just are.
Trump get elected by 50% of population and represent majority of States.
Just accept the reality.
Win is win. And America is a county of winners. Losers just vine.
He still can make himself a loser by letting country down.
Then it will the time to blow the horn.

States aren't people. Again, facts matter, he got LESS than 50% of the vote (47.3%) meaning more than 50% of the electorate opposed him. Hillary would've had to deal with the same dynamic. By contrast, Obama got OVER 50% in both elections. THAT is the reality that needs to be accepted. We all know he's going to be president.

And your storm/earthquake analogy is pretty weak because there's nothing you can do prevent either. There's certainly things you can do to make this election process more fair in the future from the extreme i.e. tanking this outdated electoral college system (though it will never happen) to the basics i.e. make easier NOT harder for "certain" people to vote (i.e. state issued gun license is acceptable to vote or a college id from a state school is not?).

And to go with your storm analogy, do you wait until the hurricane hits before you blow the horn and warn people to get prepared? Or do you wait until the roof is blown off your house and think "hmmm...maybe I need to do something?"

Based on what he has said before, as long as he was assured the hurricane would leave his own house intact, he wouldn't blow the horn at all. He would shrug his shoulders at the misery of others and say **** happens. That's him in a nutshell.

I am always prepared in the first place.
And I always worn others to prepare.
But if they don't I wont do it for them.
Every person caring his own responsibility.
If it is taken from him it is corruption.
My analogy was not about event that will come but already happened.

If you want US federation to dissolve in multiple countries changing the voting system is a good first step.
If cultural divide and cultural racism will became intolerable for some this will be the only solution anyways.
The people who elected Trump feel that they are victims of cultural racism from elites and new emigrants who will be soon a majority.
Forget about Trump. What is important are tens of millions people who made him the President.

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Very good chance Assange is going to a be free man. Thank you Trump

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/798110156336676864

Found this online, if you are not familiar with how Assange ended up in the situation he is in.

Sweden was in a plot with the US to get Assange to Sweden to give a statement on made up allegations, once it Sweden it is much easier to extradite him to the US for face espionage charges.
That is why he is in the embassy to start with, he was tipped off about what was going to go down.
Because of the tip off, he sought asylum with Ecuador. He offered to give a statement to the Swedish police from the embassy, as there is no case against him, this would mean the case was closed but of course, this rejected by Sweden.
Because of the arrest warrant Sweden put out, if Assange left the embassy he would be arrested and shipped from the UK to Sweden so he was imprisoned in the embassy. The UN rightly declared this unlawful imprisonment.
Now Obama has is going and Clinton lost, Sweden are trying to bring their made up case to a close, which means the arrest warrant is cancelled and Assange can leave his imprisonment in the embassy.

Note - Sweden's immigration policy (very open) is causing extreme problems in the country, bringing it down.

Bringing what down?

Sweden. It is in a tough spot from having such and open door policy. Here in Germany it is somewhat difficult but the country is pretty wealthy, it can withstand it so far.

Exactly what damage was caused to Sweden?

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Very good chance Assange is going to a be free man. Thank you Trump

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/798110156336676864

Found this online, if you are not familiar with how Assange ended up in the situation he is in.

Sweden was in a plot with the US to get Assange to Sweden to give a statement on made up allegations, once it Sweden it is much easier to extradite him to the US for face espionage charges.
That is why he is in the embassy to start with, he was tipped off about what was going to go down.
Because of the tip off, he sought asylum with Ecuador. He offered to give a statement to the Swedish police from the embassy, as there is no case against him, this would mean the case was closed but of course, this rejected by Sweden.
Because of the arrest warrant Sweden put out, if Assange left the embassy he would be arrested and shipped from the UK to Sweden so he was imprisoned in the embassy. The UN rightly declared this unlawful imprisonment.
Now Obama has is going and Clinton lost, Sweden are trying to bring their made up case to a close, which means the arrest warrant is cancelled and Assange can leave his imprisonment in the embassy.

Note - Sweden's immigration policy (very open) is causing extreme problems in the country, bringing it down.

Bringing what down?

Sweden. It is in a tough spot from having such and open door policy. Here in Germany it is somewhat difficult but the country is pretty wealthy, it can withstand it so far.

Exactly what damage was caused to Sweden?

From people here in Germany with family/friends there, I hear there is an economic weight, which is nothing shocking but a growing problem is a lack of the Muslim cultures blending with Swedish culture (again, not a big shock).
This article is kind of light but gets into the economic points. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430633/refugees-economic-impact-sweden-not-light

I have friends in Italy and the immigration going on there, is really a much bigger problem and in more ways (e.g. violence). There is now talk of Italy leaving the EU. First Britain and my guess more will follow.

You know, you can just Google this all, it is a pretty talked about thing. I mostly say that as you don't agree with anything I say.

What seems to get lost in all this talk of muslim refugees is the role of the west in creating them. Cant just tell them to stop fleeing war zones that we helped create. No to mention our support of terrorist groups like Al Qaeda in these wars. As well as supporting countries like Saudi Arabia who are slaughtering thousands of civilians in Yemen with our help. Cause and effect.

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Very good chance Assange is going to a be free man. Thank you Trump

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/798110156336676864

Found this online, if you are not familiar with how Assange ended up in the situation he is in.

Sweden was in a plot with the US to get Assange to Sweden to give a statement on made up allegations, once it Sweden it is much easier to extradite him to the US for face espionage charges.
That is why he is in the embassy to start with, he was tipped off about what was going to go down.
Because of the tip off, he sought asylum with Ecuador. He offered to give a statement to the Swedish police from the embassy, as there is no case against him, this would mean the case was closed but of course, this rejected by Sweden.
Because of the arrest warrant Sweden put out, if Assange left the embassy he would be arrested and shipped from the UK to Sweden so he was imprisoned in the embassy. The UN rightly declared this unlawful imprisonment.
Now Obama has is going and Clinton lost, Sweden are trying to bring their made up case to a close, which means the arrest warrant is cancelled and Assange can leave his imprisonment in the embassy.

Note - Sweden's immigration policy (very open) is causing extreme problems in the country, bringing it down.

Bringing what down?

Sweden. It is in a tough spot from having such and open door policy. Here in Germany it is somewhat difficult but the country is pretty wealthy, it can withstand it so far.

Exactly what damage was caused to Sweden?

From people here in Germany with family/friends there, I hear there is an economic weight, which is nothing shocking but a growing problem is a lack of the Muslim cultures blending with Swedish culture (again, not a big shock).
This article is kind of light but gets into the economic points. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430633/refugees-economic-impact-sweden-not-light

I have friends in Italy and the immigration going on there, is really a much bigger problem and in more ways (e.g. violence). There is now talk of Italy leaving the EU. First Britain and my guess more will follow.

You know, you can just Google this all, it is a pretty talked about thing. I mostly say that as you don't agree with anything I say.

You're an immigrant, so can you stop your passive aggressive agenda of demonizing Muslim refugees who are fleeing a horrific war that we helped create. Thanks.

The truth is a lot of European countries have aging populations and their future will depend on a large influx of immigrants to make up the shortfall. The irony is that all these anti-immigrant inbreds who complain about immigrants ruining their country and stealing their jobs and benefits will be reliant on them in their old age.

https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1227-new-world-next-week-with-james-evan-pilato/

Of interest, is the last segment. Online investigation happening with Podesta and Pedophile ring.

earthmansurfer wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Very good chance Assange is going to a be free man. Thank you Trump

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/798110156336676864

Found this online, if you are not familiar with how Assange ended up in the situation he is in.

Sweden was in a plot with the US to get Assange to Sweden to give a statement on made up allegations, once it Sweden it is much easier to extradite him to the US for face espionage charges.
That is why he is in the embassy to start with, he was tipped off about what was going to go down.
Because of the tip off, he sought asylum with Ecuador. He offered to give a statement to the Swedish police from the embassy, as there is no case against him, this would mean the case was closed but of course, this rejected by Sweden.
Because of the arrest warrant Sweden put out, if Assange left the embassy he would be arrested and shipped from the UK to Sweden so he was imprisoned in the embassy. The UN rightly declared this unlawful imprisonment.
Now Obama has is going and Clinton lost, Sweden are trying to bring their made up case to a close, which means the arrest warrant is cancelled and Assange can leave his imprisonment in the embassy.

Note - Sweden's immigration policy (very open) is causing extreme problems in the country, bringing it down.

Bringing what down?

Sweden. It is in a tough spot from having such and open door policy. Here in Germany it is somewhat difficult but the country is pretty wealthy, it can withstand it so far.

Exactly what damage was caused to Sweden?

From people here in Germany with family/friends there, I hear there is an economic weight, which is nothing shocking but a growing problem is a lack of the Muslim cultures blending with Swedish culture (again, not a big shock).
This article is kind of light but gets into the economic points. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430633/refugees-economic-impact-sweden-not-light

I have friends in Italy and the immigration going on there, is really a much bigger problem and in more ways (e.g. violence). There is now talk of Italy leaving the EU. First Britain and my guess more will follow.

You know, you can just Google this all, it is a pretty talked about thing. I mostly say that as you don't agree with anything I say.

You're an immigrant, so can you stop your passive aggressive agenda of demonizing Muslim refugees who are fleeing a horrific war that we helped create. Thanks.

The truth is a lot of European countries have aging populations and their future will depend on a large influx of immigrants to make up the shortfall. The irony is that all these anti-immigrant inbreds who complain about immigrants ruining their country and stealing their jobs and benefits will be reliant on them in their old age.

Huh? I'm an American living in Europe temporarily. By definition, I'm not an immigrant. Regardless, no reason to take that tone and name call. Passive agenda? Hey, want to guess what my ancestry is?

You do realize that not all countries in the EU are receiving immigrants right? When Sweden, Italy and Germany get the brunt of them, it is going to create problems.

But you hit the nail on the head, these same policies of bombing that Hillary voted across the board for, created this tragedy.

I also understand Germany needs people, but having an open door policy from a country your ally is bombing, that does have terrorists, is a recipe for disaster.
Please, don't make this about me via your guilt by association.

So "immigrant" now qualifies as name calling? Guess we have very different standards for the spoken language as well.