BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:And I told you that almost all of the polls were rigged too. Many of you are so easily manipulated by leftists and the media. Think for yourselves.

The polls were closer this year than in 2012. I posted an article on this earlier today. When all the votes are counted, the polls will have been off by about 2 points.

This is the trick of the leftist propaganda machine. They tell you all along that Hillary is up by double digits to cause voter suppression and then at the very last second they narrow the polls to something more realistic so that they can claim credibility. They do this every election to help their political party. Don't be fooled!

That's not what happened at all. The polls expanded up to a 3 point Hillary lead in the week before the election, and she'll win the popular vote by about 1.5%. The aggregate polling was never remotely close to 10 points. You're just making things up. You're in conspiracy overdrive.

Bonn--how many different ways can you crybaby about the loss? You're a sports fan---there are rules in the game. Trump won fair and square--won many more states which is why the electoral process is in place. Why doesnt everyone give the man 6-9 months and than lets talk about it? The country was going in the wrong direction. We have accumulated 20 trillion in debt and the real unemployment # is very high. We have some serious issues with Russia North Korea the ME and we are the highest tax nation in the world. From my computer desk race relations to me seem to be the worst since Ive been alive--47 years now. I dont think Obama did anything here and this is the one area that I wouldve liked to see him change--yet it was MUCH worse on his watch. We have out of control healthcare costs we have immense immigration issues we have crumbling infrastructure low morale in the military. Obama helped watch over the fed pump and dump us out of oblivion but other than that--other than being a good guy--I dont think he was an effective President if you take a hard look. Hillary was just a continuation of this and voters said no. All these people screaming raqacism and sexism will shut up in a year --believe me.

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Seriously, look at the bright side and give this a chance.

voting for someone running on a platform of racism and sexism makes one complicit with it. at the very core...people that voted for trump said loud and clear..."racism and sexism does not matter b/c it does not effect me". both sides can talk policy all they want but it does not change that.

i don't mean to personally insult anybody here but that's how i feel. people of color and women have been suppressed for so long and to right the wrongs of history, there needs to be change and evolution and that includes making sure people of color and women are lifted to a higher status. that's not entitlement - that's paying for your sins. there is systematic racism and sexism still highly prevalent and this election set back the slight progress that's been made.

i debated whether to post this opinion of mine but i'm still trying to make sense of things and this forum has provided me a place to release thoughts and feelings - even if they are incoherent.

Keep posing this stuff..Many of us agree with you..I'm still trying to process it myself..I'm just too frustrated to put down any thought out response...

My kids were shocked at the results and hurt to be honest...I had to have a talk with them about the outcome the following morning before they went to school..I had to explain that nothing has changed outside our doors..That the things I have told them over the years about honesty and having respect for others still hold true and is still a virtue..We have to work hard and take care of our own...

So keep it coming, it reinforces that fact that there are still sane people out there...

I get your pain. The worst part is there's a million more of us than Trump voters. We're just not strategically located in swing states.

For some reason we blame person who said what he think and not people who think like he said and elected him to represent them.
Trump see people as they are - for the most part still not very civilized.
And he used his knowledge of people to get elected and have an ability to influence how the country and world will move forward.
Now we will start finding out what Trump really thinks not what he says.
I will judge him by his deeds not by his pre-election propaganda.

What bothers me is you Trump supporters do the same thing he does, invent your own narratives minus context and all of the facts.

Trump ran such a "great campaign" YET he received fewer total votes than Mitt Romney in 2012 (who he called a terrible candidate) and he received over a 1/2 million fewer votes than his opponent. This in spite of voter suppression efforts, FBI interference, foreign entities impacting the election (wikileaks), and running against one of the most flawed democrat candidates in recent political history.

And you want to portray him as a genius? Give me a break! This election was basically the Browns vs the Jaguars in the super bowl and the winner was going to be who was the less bad team. And all you folks who voted for Trump because he going to "shake up" Washington, watch how many Washington insiders he appoints to key decision making positions. Mike Flynn, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, and Reince Priebus is "change?" Wow you guys got conned!

I am not Trump supporter.
It does not make sense to support or reject the storm or earthquake.
They just are.
Trump get elected by 50% of population and represent majority of States.
Just accept the reality.
Win is win. And America is a county of winners. Losers just vine.
He still can make himself a loser by letting country down.
Then it will the time to blow the horn.

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Starting to hit mainstream now...

Fox & Friends calls out George Soros for funding riots!

I hate to keep making facts a sticking point...FIX News Anchor Bret Bair said during a broadcast that he has a treasure trove of evidence that Hillary committed a crime in her emails just a few weeks ago..He apologies a week later for lying when called on it...So you may regard FIX News as mainstream media, I'll actually debate it's not in the news business...

So, you are bringing up a past mistake and that means this information is wrong and that FOX is not mainstream?

How about this: Mainstream had been saying for 8 weeks that Hillary had leads of 5 points, sometimes 10. They were ALL wrong. (As well as the professional Brexit polls. Hmmmm.)
Does that mean everything they say now is false?

It's not a mistake, it's a pattern of what they do..No one will be fired much like what NBC did with Brian Williams..It's not a news station, it's a political public service station for the Republican Party..For example, they had no reporter in Iraq covering that war during Bush's invasion..All others who considered themselves a news station had such coverage..

You said time and time again that you were afraid Hillary would go to war...Ryan just confirmed this morning the US will be going on offense against ISIS like the American people want..That's the mandate they got from supporters like you..

Go both sides, mention the corruption coming from all over in the establishment. Don't make it seem like (the king of corruption in) Hillary out on the sidelines seeing some big bad Media attacking her. They were all on her side, the corporate world was, etc. She blew it, she wanted Trump as her opponent, got it and lost. She went and had a private email server and it got hacked by probably every nation out there, talk about National Security. Look at Trumps rallies, with 10,000 to 20,000 people and hers with 200-500 with cameras trying to get the angles right to make it seem full. Right or Wrong, there was nothing exciting in her campaign in some pretty bad times imo. Her strategy was wrong. Hillary lost this election in almost every possible way.

I'm talking war with Russia, WWIII, not some isolated war where we are fighting terrorists, whom Hillaries donators (e.g. Saudi Arabia) are funding. And perhaps Hillary armed.
I will not go for everything Trump does, I was clear there from the beginning, actually then I was a Hillary antagonist, but actually started to like a lot of what Trump was going to do.
I am not one to step into voting for something, if people vote for war, then that is just sad to me. But thus far they have voted against the biggest war in our history by not Voting for Hillary.

Oh, ok..Isolated war where only a few thousand die is ok..So you too are now changing your tune..I knew you were lying all along...Prince Alwaleed of Saudi Arabia was on CNBC on Friday with glee about the Trump win..He said the US will be more involved in the middle east...We will go back to fighting their wars for them..Saudi Arabia is happy with this victory...

No, I'm against war and said I won't get involved in a democratic process.

Do you have any issues you want to talk about with Trump or are you going to keep on going on about Hillary losing? What is the point? Take responsibility and move on.
And perhaps start addressing the reply instead of a snippet you don't agree with. (e.g. Bonn not replying to tax cuts for middle class. )

No comments too be honest, I wouldn't know where to begin...Because everything you stood for before the election victory has now changed, like most republicans...

Try it. Try to talk about going forward instead of going backwards.

BTW - I am not a republican. Growing up I would have said I was a Democrat as my grandparents told me when I was little that democrats stood for the common person. Me liking Trump had nothing to do with the party, obviously.

I don't like war and still don't, so what exactly are you talking about? We should all face the music, where we are now. Get over this loss and move forward. If there are issues, let's get to them. I mentioned the tax cuts and you and Bonn (mostly) just complained, nothing good to say. You want to stay in the past, ok, but I don't see the point.

Well you have adapted the full Republican repotoire, trickle down big spenders and all..

Look at you, you are walking away from someone wanting to have a discussion. It is an opportunity for you to move on.
And still you name call?

Come on..Don't do me that way..You know I love a spirited debate..I just can't take the fact checking of every comment..Then the reversals..The discussion becomes a moving target with no conviction..For example you say you hate war..First thing Trump will do is put boots on the ground in Iraq..Then you said you meant war with Russia..But you tell me you are afraid Hillary will engage Russia with war, something that will never happen...

Ok, I really felt like you were running from things but didn't see your perspective. No offense meant. I just see this thread is now at the complaining stage.

There is no "then", I've been worried about war with Russia since Clinton said she was going for president, or shortly there after. When Trump gets in, we can judge him for what he does.
Not sure why you are bringing up Iraq, I mean is that situation not there because of the previous wars (which Clinton voted for?) What are you meaning with "I meant war with Russia?" I thought I've been real clear on that since the get go.

Why do you think war with Russia was possible with Hillary?

We've been through this too many times.

Right and when I told you that a no fly zone was an option on the table for the pentagon before Russia got involved in Syria you never responded..Hillary said she would use that option before Russia got involved..What makes you think she would have confronted Russia after Russian involvement, when no one else indicted she would have?

As I said about 5 times before, she accused Russia or being behind the leaks. The government came out and even said they weren't. But her reaction was 911 like, she knew within hours who did it.
Her past military decisions also speak to stupidity, look what she voted for and what she pushed Obama to to in Libya.
War is her game.

You may have said it 5 times to others but you never responded when I asked that question..So you are saying you think Hillary would risk global annihilation of the human species because Russia hacked into her campaign email...And you don't believe our government when they say Russia hacked into the campaign to subterfuge our electoral process but you are willing to accept the Russian version of what has transpired..After all that, why am I surprised you would support a candidate like Trump...

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Seriously, look at the bright side and give this a chance.

voting for someone running on a platform of racism and sexism makes one complicit with it. at the very core...people that voted for trump said loud and clear..."racism and sexism does not matter b/c it does not effect me". both sides can talk policy all they want but it does not change that.

i don't mean to personally insult anybody here but that's how i feel. people of color and women have been suppressed for so long and to right the wrongs of history, there needs to be change and evolution and that includes making sure people of color and women are lifted to a higher status. that's not entitlement - that's paying for your sins. there is systematic racism and sexism still highly prevalent and this election set back the slight progress that's been made.

i debated whether to post this opinion of mine but i'm still trying to make sense of things and this forum has provided me a place to release thoughts and feelings - even if they are incoherent.

Keep posing this stuff..Many of us agree with you..I'm still trying to process it myself..I'm just too frustrated to put down any thought out response...

My kids were shocked at the results and hurt to be honest...I had to have a talk with them about the outcome the following morning before they went to school..I had to explain that nothing has changed outside our doors..That the things I have told them over the years about honesty and having respect for others still hold true and is still a virtue..We have to work hard and take care of our own...

So keep it coming, it reinforces that fact that there are still sane people out there...

I get your pain. The worst part is there's a million more of us than Trump voters. We're just not strategically located in swing states.

For some reason we blame person who said what he think and not people who think like he said and elected him to represent them.
Trump see people as they are - for the most part still not very civilized.
And he used his knowledge of people to get elected and have an ability to influence how the country and world will move forward.
Now we will start finding out what Trump really thinks not what he says.
I will judge him by his deeds not by his pre-election propaganda.

What bothers me is you Trump supporters do the same thing he does, invent your own narratives minus context and all of the facts.

Trump ran such a "great campaign" YET he received fewer total votes than Mitt Romney in 2012 (who he called a terrible candidate) and he received over a 1/2 million fewer votes than his opponent. This in spite of voter suppression efforts, FBI interference, foreign entities impacting the election (wikileaks), and running against one of the most flawed democrat candidates in recent political history.

And you want to portray him as a genius? Give me a break! This election was basically the Browns vs the Jaguars in the super bowl and the winner was going to be who was the less bad team. And all you folks who voted for Trump because he going to "shake up" Washington, watch how many Washington insiders he appoints to key decision making positions. Mike Flynn, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, and Reince Priebus is "change?" Wow you guys got conned!

I am not Trump supporter.
It does not make sense to support or reject the storm or earthquake.
They just are.
Trump get elected by 50% of population and represent majority of States.
Just accept the reality.
Win is win. And America is a county of winners. Losers just vine.
He still can make himself a loser by letting country down.
Then it will the time to blow the horn.

States aren't people. Again, facts matter, he got LESS than 50% of the vote (47.3%) meaning more than 50% of the electorate opposed him. Hillary would've had to deal with the same dynamic. By contrast, Obama got OVER 50% in both elections. THAT is the reality that needs to be accepted. We all know he's going to be president.

And your storm/earthquake analogy is pretty weak because there's nothing you can do prevent either. There's certainly things you can do to make this election process more fair in the future from the extreme i.e. tanking this outdated electoral college system (though it will never happen) to the basics i.e. make easier NOT harder for "certain" people to vote (i.e. state issued gun license is acceptable to vote or a college id from a state school is not?).

And to go with your storm analogy, do you wait until the hurricane hits before you blow the horn and warn people to get prepared? Or do you wait until the roof is blown off your house and think "hmmm...maybe I need to do something?"

Based on what he has said before, as long as he was assured the hurricane would leave his own house intact, he wouldn't blow the horn at all. He would shrug his shoulders at the misery of others and say **** happens. That's him in a nutshell.

Nalod wrote:Steve Bannon as chief strategist. Not good.
My fear is not so much Trump, but he is over his head and gets swallowed up by Alt right and existing Republican leadership.
That's not draining the swamp. That's feeding the alligators.

Agreed, this will get a lot worse before it gets better. In the end America will reverse out of this mess, but that end is not at hand. We will definitely witness some form fascism. Maybe even camps for Muslims and illegal immigrants. Trust me it's not that far fetched.

BRIGGS wrote:Bonn--how many different ways can you crybaby about the loss? You're a sports fan---there are rules in the game. Trump won fair and square--won many more states which is why the electoral process is in place. Why doesnt everyone give the man 6-9 months and than lets talk about it? The country was going in the wrong direction. We have accumulated 20 trillion in debt and the real unemployment # is very high. We have some serious issues with Russia North Korea the ME and we are the highest tax nation in the world. From my computer desk race relations to me seem to be the worst since Ive been alive--47 years now. I dont think Obama did anything here and this is the one area that I wouldve liked to see him change--yet it was MUCH worse on his watch. We have out of control healthcare costs we have immense immigration issues we have crumbling infrastructure low morale in the military. Obama helped watch over the fed pump and dump us out of oblivion but other than that--other than being a good guy--I dont think he was an effective President if you take a hard look. Hillary was just a continuation of this and voters said no. All these people screaming raqacism and sexism will shut up in a year --believe me.

b/c they'll all be deported by then?

first connected experience...my good friend's aunt (jewish) and his cousin were leaving a jewish temple in naples, florida yesterday. on leaving the temple, they were rear ended by a car with confederate flags. the driver and his friend come out of the car, scream anti-semetic remarks at her and leave. she is shook.

validated and empowered.

Nalod wrote:Steve Bannon as chief strategist. Not good.
My fear is not so much Trump, but he is over his head and gets swallowed up by Alt right and existing Republican leadership.
That's not draining the swamp. That's feeding the alligators.

trump will bring change!!! meanwhile his appointees so far are all lifelong politicians and a right wing nut.

reub wrote:More than three million illegals voted in the election. Plenty of dead voters too. Plus frequent voters. I'm sure most of them for the loser. Please factor that into your equations about who really won the popular vote. Trump ended up with 306 electoral votes at the end.

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Seriously, look at the bright side and give this a chance.

voting for someone running on a platform of racism and sexism makes one complicit with it. at the very core...people that voted for trump said loud and clear..."racism and sexism does not matter b/c it does not effect me". both sides can talk policy all they want but it does not change that.

i don't mean to personally insult anybody here but that's how i feel. people of color and women have been suppressed for so long and to right the wrongs of history, there needs to be change and evolution and that includes making sure people of color and women are lifted to a higher status. that's not entitlement - that's paying for your sins. there is systematic racism and sexism still highly prevalent and this election set back the slight progress that's been made.

i debated whether to post this opinion of mine but i'm still trying to make sense of things and this forum has provided me a place to release thoughts and feelings - even if they are incoherent.

Keep posing this stuff..Many of us agree with you..I'm still trying to process it myself..I'm just too frustrated to put down any thought out response...

My kids were shocked at the results and hurt to be honest...I had to have a talk with them about the outcome the following morning before they went to school..I had to explain that nothing has changed outside our doors..That the things I have told them over the years about honesty and having respect for others still hold true and is still a virtue..We have to work hard and take care of our own...

So keep it coming, it reinforces that fact that there are still sane people out there...

I get your pain. The worst part is there's a million more of us than Trump voters. We're just not strategically located in swing states.

For some reason we blame person who said what he think and not people who think like he said and elected him to represent them.
Trump see people as they are - for the most part still not very civilized.
And he used his knowledge of people to get elected and have an ability to influence how the country and world will move forward.
Now we will start finding out what Trump really thinks not what he says.
I will judge him by his deeds not by his pre-election propaganda.

And others like me, may judge him by his deeds on full display during 70 years of life..

Nobody give a f..ck about his previous life and how he get there.
The only thing that matters is what he will accomplish if anything.
If he is as bad as advertised he will screw it up badly pretty fast.
I guess you afraid that he will succeed... This will be the worst disaster.

What???!!!! You don't care about the past history of the leader of your country. You basically just want to trust him based on what he says, 70% of which has been proven to be false? We have really set the bar low for picking the most powerful leader in the world.

What I am really afraid of is he has established a template for running future elections that will set us back to the 1800s. We already have a precedent for what will happen when his policies are enacted so we know he's not going to succeed. Unfortunately when Trumps enacts his "secret plan" to destroy ISIS hundreds or thousands of our troops are likely to die over the next four years similar to when GW Bush implemented his "war of terror."

Yeah, good times are ahead.

I think you have it backwards, a few of the guys here want me to back up all opinions with Main Stream Media, but as we are seeing, they are dying.
Everyone is going to have to open their sources of information going forward.

I didn't vote for Trump, I'm not attached to his policies. How many times do I have to say this? I thought Clinton as president was a guaranteed WWIII, not Trump. But that doesn't mean he is perfect.

If he keeps 1/2 of his promises, his life will be in danger as he is going against the establishment. For all his flaws, I will take that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

reub wrote:More than three million illegals voted in the election. Plenty of dead voters too. Plus frequent voters. I'm sure most of them for the loser. Please factor that into your equations about who really won the popular vote. Trump ended up with 306 electoral votes at the end.

What? You're just making things up. Where's your evidence?

reub wrote:More than three million illegals voted in the election. Plenty of dead voters too. Plus frequent voters. I'm sure most of them for the loser. Please factor that into your equations about who really won the popular vote. Trump ended up with 306 electoral votes at the end.

But wait, there is more...

Fraction magic anyone?

Expert of voter fraud in Bev Harris says Hillary tried to steal election but lost. Start at 3:30 mark:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is5GrQwevhg
Votes were held back in Detroit, Wisconson, Michigan and Milwaukee, PE, and a bit more.
13% of illegals admit they vote, and quite a few were caught this election. http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/poll-13-of-illegal-aliens-admit-they-vote/
Soros connected to voting machine in 16 States.
5 or so States are still not releasing the scanned images of the ballots as required by law. (Indiana, Virginia, Washington st., Utah, Kansas)
There is evidence Hillary Stole 5 States but still lost (and yeah, MSM is dying now -The NY Times have issued and apology for their coverage)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqZvzGZuCo

I welcome a recount but I think there is a reason Clinton hasn't asked for one. Hillary Cheated and still lost.

http://www.votefraud.org/