Posted by VDesai:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by VDesai:

Yanks get the win and set the record for 18 consecutive errorless games. Great game by Joba and a nice 9th by Mo. Yankees won this game with the plate patience- typical Yankee victory.

we're poised to make a big time run. our pitching and defense is real solid - and our offense scores runs late in games.

We're already in the midst of a big time run...Yankees looking like they have the best team in the league right now. Pitching staff cut down the walks and started going later in games. ARod gave the lineup the extra boost it needed. Right now they don't really have any major flaws 1-9 in the order and their starting 5 is really starting to shape up, as we now potentially have 6 viable candidates. If they make a move the first one will probably be for the pen....

The bullpen really needs to step it up. They've let the team down a few times, but I think it'll get straightened out. With that said, this is the best team in baseball. Also with that said, as of right now, I don't see beating the Red Sox in any games that are close in the late innings - their pen is the best in baseball. Coke needs to step it up and become Mike Stanton and Marte needs to come back and quit pitching like a *****.

 Inning       Ahead           Tied           Behind
+------+---------------+---------------+---------------+
   1                      30-21    .588                
   2      12-4     .750   15-8     .652    3-9     .250
   3      16-3     .842    7-7     .500    7-11    .389
   4      19-2     .905    4-4     .500    7-15    .318
   5      21-3     .875    5-1     .833    4-17    .190
   6      19-2     .905    4-2     .667    7-17    .292
   7      18-0    1.000    4-3     .571    8-18    .308
   8      20-2     .909    6-0    1.000    4-19    .174
   9      23-1     .958    4-3     .571    3-17    .150
  10                       3-3     .500                
  11                       2-2     .500                
  12                       1-0    1.000                
  13                       1-0    1.000                
  14                       1-0    1.000                

so tied or leading from the 7th inning on, yanks have lost 13 games.

in contrast - the supposed best bullpen in the redsox have lost 22 games.

Say whatever you want DJ - Masterson, Okajima, Pappelbon is better than anything the yankees are trotting out there.

Posted by djsunyc:

the stats so far say otherwise...

Stats also say Russell Branyon is batting .320 with 11 HRs so far... doesn't mean much.

Well the 2nd stat basically tells you why the first stat is the way it is.

Posada's making some really bad throws. Opponents are gonna run non-stop if he keeps this up.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by djsunyc:

the stats so far say otherwise...

Not really. The won-loss record (including that from innings 7 and later in your case) is affected by your own team's, not just your bullpen's pitching. It's also influenced by your starting pitching, as starters sometimes go beyond the 6th inning. Also, your bullpen may win or lose the game before the 7th inning. You have not picked a stat that isolates bullpen pitching. I'd look instead at

a) bullpen ERA
b) bullpen WHIP
c) saves and save opportunities

when it comes to bullpens, the end all be all is whether they blew the game for you or not. and so far, our bullpen has not lost as many games for us as the redsox bullpen has.

You don't seem to understand the concept of confounds. No good statistic will be confounded with irrelevant factors. Try to convince me a relief pitcher with a 5.00 ERA who gets bailed out a lot by his offense and thus wins games after blowing leads is better than a reliever with a 2.00 ERA who doesn't get many decisions. You're gonna reach poor conclusions and then make poor decisions if you use statistics poorly.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by djsunyc:

the stats so far say otherwise...

Not really. The won-loss record (including that from innings 7 and later in your case) is affected by your own team's, not just your bullpen's pitching. It's also influenced by your starting pitching, as starters sometimes go beyond the 6th inning. Also, your bullpen may win or lose the game before the 7th inning. You have not picked a stat that isolates bullpen pitching. I'd look instead at

a) bullpen ERA
b) bullpen WHIP
c) saves and save opportunities

when it comes to bullpens, the end all be all is whether they blew the game for you or not. and so far, our bullpen has not lost as many games for us as the redsox bullpen has.

And your statement is false anyway. Their bullpen has lost 6 games for them and has a 2.96 ERA; ours has lost 9 games for us and has a 5.09 ERA.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posada's making some really bad throws. Opponents are gonna run non-stop if he keeps this up.

He's still a darn good hitter though

The questions will get answered in the playoffs but Cashman finally spent an off-season focused primarily on pitching instead of primarily on big name hitters and it's paying off big time now. He did last offense what I wish he'd done for a while. I think he learned from the failed Hughes/Kennedy experiment the prior year. He definitely deserves credit for changing directions by moving to an emphasis on proven but still young starting pitchers. A lot of GMs would be too stubborn to do so. Our offense has been awesome but the reason I'm optimistic is that the starting pitching has been very good over the past 4 or so weeks.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 06-03-2009 10:19 AM]

Posted by VDesai:

Well the 2nd stat basically tells you why the first stat is the way it is.

I don't view WHIP and ERA as entirely redundant, even though they are highly correlated. If you look closely, you'll see that some pitchers have much better WHIPs than others even with comparable ERAs. Those with lower WHIPs (even at the same ERA) tend to throw fewer pitches per inning, go more total innings, and simply have one problem that's inflating their ERAs. AJ Burnett this year has been a good example. His WHIP is a lot lower than you'd expect given his fairly high ERA. In his case, the one problem inflating his ERA is that he's prone to really bad innings, and he seems to struggle throwing out of the stretch. The low WHIP though is why he's able to go deeper into games than most pitchers with ERAs approaching 5, as his average outing is about 2 outs into the 7th inning.