martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

agreed..

I don't know, I am pretty tired of that type of posting. There is a basic, underlying assumption in TKF's posts that Melo is just out there shooting to chase points instead of trying to win a game. TKF, I'd like to see you justify it. Please go ahead. The originating post IMHO is not a dissenting opinion, in fact I think it's pretty much crap.

Perhaps he is not taking the best shots all the time, but every player has gone through stretches like that, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Jordan, LeBron, you name it. But Melo and team is coming off of a 13 game win streak where Melo was a primary reason amongst other for the wins and who was also shooting a blistering 60% while racking up the wins.... that's good reason to try some shots.

If all you are doing is raging on players with no other real justification, this is probably not the place for you. Please give it a rest.

well martin I respectfully dissagree... for the most part wade, jordan, lebron and to a lesser extent kobe have not really gone through stretches in their career where they take the kind of shots and point chase like carmelo.. first of all they shoot a much better percentage, so that really doesn't support the argument there.. but what I want to say is this..

you say I am raging on players with no real justification.. well lets look.. I don't rag on felton, chandler, amare, kidd, shumpert...etc.. none, and if I did martin, I am sure there would be no outcry about that.. but when it comes to carmelo the hero worship kicks in... I feel I am justified in my comments... 30+ shots to get 36 points is point chasing.. you ask for proof, I say watch the game.. look at when the knicks do score.. it usually comes off felton penetrating and a few quick passes for open looks...I am not fooled by scoring a few points martin the game is so much more than that for me as a fan.... if anything JR smith has been just as important during this streak.... and add in the play of felton as well..

carmelo is taking shots as if he literally the only one on the court.... I mean that... and honestly people can spin this into me not liking the knicks.. NO, I don't like carmelo.. the problem is, this is becoming a carmelo site, not a knick site... and I say that martin because it is ok to endlessly bash amare, to destroy felton, to get on chandler.. but lord forbid you talk about carmelo in a negative tone... I will say this, never have i seen such an unbalanced view from a fan base over a player.. seriously, even the bulls fans didn't seem to hold MJ in such infallible regards.. and he was the greatest ever... and the thing is... I honestly think carmelo could care less about the NY knicks... this guy cares about himself.the whole campaign to come to ny was about him not the knicks as a team.. but him....... I don't like it... and if that doesn't make me a fan, then I guess I can't be a fan of a guy like that martin.. yea, I will give it a rest... I though I have, I haven't posted in a while.. and honestly I hate wasting my time talking about the guy.. I will just leave it at that... if that is what you want.. it is your site.. i respect that..

thanks..

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

agreed..

I don't know, I am pretty tired of that type of posting. There is a basic, underlying assumption in TKF's posts that Melo is just out there shooting to chase points instead of trying to win a game. TKF, I'd like to see you justify it. Please go ahead. The originating post IMHO is not a dissenting opinion, in fact I think it's pretty much crap.

Perhaps he is not taking the best shots all the time, but every player has gone through stretches like that, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Jordan, LeBron, you name it. But Melo and team is coming off of a 13 game win streak where Melo was a primary reason amongst other for the wins and who was also shooting a blistering 60% while racking up the wins.... that's good reason to try some shots.

If all you are doing is raging on players with no other real justification, this is probably not the place for you. Please give it a rest.

well martin I respectfully dissagree... for the most part wade, jordan, lebron and to a lesser extent kobe have not really gone through stretches in their career where they take the kind of shots and point chase like carmelo.. first of all they shoot a much better percentage, so that really doesn't support the argument there.. but what I want to say is this..

you say I am raging on players with no real justification.. well lets look.. I don't rag on felton, chandler, amare, kidd, shumpert...etc.. none, and if I did martin, I am sure there would be no outcry about that.. but when it comes to carmelo the hero worship kicks in... I feel I am justified in my comments... 30+ shots to get 36 points is point chasing.. you ask for proof, I say watch the game.. look at when the knicks do score.. it usually comes off felton penetrating and a few quick passes for open looks...I am not fooled by scoring a few points martin the game is so much more than that for me as a fan.... if anything JR smith has been just as important during this streak.... and add in the play of felton as well..

carmelo is taking shots as if he literally the only one on the court.... I mean that... and honestly people can spin this into me not liking the knicks.. NO, I don't like carmelo.. the problem is, this is becoming a carmelo site, not a knick site... and I say that martin because it is ok to endlessly bash amare, to destroy felton, to get on chandler.. but lord forbid you talk about carmelo in a negative tone... I will say this, never have i seen such an unbalanced view from a fan base over a player.. seriously, even the bulls fans didn't seem to hold MJ in such infallible regards.. and he was the greatest ever... and the thing is... I honestly think carmelo could care less about the NY knicks... this guy cares about himself.the whole campaign to come to ny was about him not the knicks as a team.. but him....... I don't like it... and if that doesn't make me a fan, then I guess I can't be a fan of a guy like that martin.. yea, I will give it a rest... I though I have, I haven't posted in a while.. and honestly I hate wasting my time talking about the guy.. I will just leave it at that... if that is what you want.. it is your site.. i respect that..

thanks..

For what it's worth, I agree with TKF. Maybe some of us have different expectations of our players - we want them to see them paly hard every single game. We don't like players that pout and put heir egos ahead of the success of the team. You need proof? - Look back at last season. I have watched quite a few games this season, wins losses, close ones - never in a single game I came away hinking Melo was imposing his will on the game and wouldn't let us lose. not once.

I also see this board becoming a Melo fansite. And maybe that's ok and that's the direction this franchise and it's fans are happy with. You guys are running a forum and you have to accommodate the popular opinion. I used to come here a lot. I have cut down will continue to cut down more. It's one thing to have arguments but its different when you have to "fight the system everyday" - feels like this board is rigged against people who don't like Melo. Maybe it is time for us to leave. Some have already left, some have been asked to leave and some will just drop off slowly over time. It is what it is. But yeah I am sad to see this turn of events.

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:pretty soon they will start calling Melo a rebound chaser. Oh wait someone already did.

14 boards in 29 minutes. He was a beast.

he too selfish not blocking out and letting others grab the boards. I say he had 12 inefficient boards with 2 questionable tap outs.

CrushAlot wrote:Harden pushes off Allen but misses a wide open look. Where are all the Rocket fans tonight?

Harden was gassed. McHale never took him out in the 2nd half. Same with Lin. McHale really is a horrible coach.