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NBA Finals Game 4: Spurs @ Knicks 6/10 @ 8:30pm - Nietzsche Night: "Whatever Doesn't Kill Us, Makes Us Stronger"
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grillco
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6/11/2026  12:08 PM
Again, it's not the number of calls, it's the impact of the given calls or non-calls. An objective analysis will show that the calls against the Knicksin the last three games truly impacted the game compared to those against the Spurs.

Honestly just started getting a little bit worried about Wemby being at the limit for suspension. Clearly the league and calls are favoring him. One potential tactic might be to have him be more aggressive, daring the refs to call the flagrant. If the league doesn't want him to miss a game 6 or 7, they'll have the refs overlook whatever it takes.

I love that this team, our team, refuses to quit...there is no whole they won't fight like hell to get out of. No team has had an easy win over them in this playoffs. Hell, two teams couldn't even manage one. I just had to check, the Knicks' loses have been by a total of six points so far...SIX. And two of those were one point loses to the Hawks. That's insane.

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6/11/2026  12:09 PM
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6/11/2026  12:16 PM
DLeethal wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:its crazy because we really havent gotten much from Mitch or Deuce these playoffs.

I mean Deuce hasn't scored a single point these last 2 games and 2.8ppg on 20% shooting in the finals. but sure enough Alvarado has stepped up.

Deuce just isn't a PG, its why he won't get a big contract IMO. nice 3 & D guy but a tweener.

Deuce is the one easily tradable contract that has overlapping talent if the Knicks bring back Shamet and if they want to do something different. And it's a position that they need more ball handling as that is the one area the Knicks can be taken advantage of.
100% agree. They need a high level backup guard who can take ball handling duties and hit shots. If you could combine Deuce and Alvarado it would be a perfect match, but not sure either guy is the long term answer for that role. But it's a key role to address in the offseason.

Alvarado can absolutely fill the backup PG role.

I think we can do better, if he can't fix his shot.
He still can't make an entry pass, but he made me love him last night.
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6/11/2026  12:18 PM
martin wrote:Didn't know this was a thing

I saw Brunson asking for Ron's jersey after the game and Ron took it off right away to give to the captain
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6/11/2026  12:32 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
martin wrote:Didn't know this was a thing

I saw Brunson asking for Ron's jersey after the game and Ron took it off right away to give to the captain

Ha, Carmelo giving defensive tips?

fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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6/11/2026  12:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2026  12:44 PM
grillco wrote:Again, it's not the number of calls, it's the impact of the given calls or non-calls. An objective analysis will show that the calls against the Knicksin the last three games truly impacted the game compared to those against the Spurs.

Honestly just started getting a little bit worried about Wemby being at the limit for suspension. Clearly the league and calls are favoring him. One potential tactic might be to have him be more aggressive, daring the refs to call the flagrant. If the league doesn't want him to miss a game 6 or 7, they'll have the refs overlook whatever it takes.

I love that this team, our team, refuses to quit...there is no whole they won't fight like hell to get out of. No team has had an easy win over them in this playoffs. Hell, two teams couldn't even manage one. I just had to check, the Knicks' loses have been by a total of six points so far...SIX. And two of those were one point loses to the Hawks. That's insane.

Yea, refs showed how they can completely shift the game by calling a few quick fouls on Towns, or get a team in the penalty early in the 4th. Or to selectively not call a flagrant on the golden boy to avoid a suspension in the finals. Sheer foul quantities don't tell the full story. Needs context. We were playing freakin Sohan and Hukporti last night because they called two straight questionable calls on Towns early in the first, "fouls" they probably overlooked a dozen times later in the game but decided to call them twice within 2 minutes of the 1st.

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6/11/2026  12:45 PM
I would honestly have more respect for the refs if they called the flagrant on Alvarado. The fact that they let that one slide shows they have no real integrity to what they are calling, and are influenced by other factors.
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6/11/2026  12:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2026  1:07 PM
Props to Mike Brown foe pushing all the right buttons....Playing Alvarado and Brunson together down the stretch was risky and smart. Got Brunson off the ball and Alavarado gave them another player that can get 2 feet in the paint and spray for a 3.

Also, putting Kat on the inbounder was smart. Spurs were trying to throw an alley-oop to Castle. Kat got a finger on the ball.....this is unreal!!!

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6/11/2026  12:51 PM
Uptown wrote:Props to Mike Brown foe pushing sll the right buttons....Playing Alvarado and Brunson together down the stretch was risky and smart. Got Brunson off the ball and Alavarado gave them another player that can get 2 feet in the paint and spray for a 3.

Also, putting Kat on the inbounder was smart. Spurs were trying to throw an alley-oop to Castle. Kat got a finger on the ball.....this is unreal!!!

Interesting breakdown

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6/11/2026  1:29 PM
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BlueKnickers wrote:MVP talk aside, if there was one player whom I think is irreplaceable at this point it would have to be OG.

I cannot imagine any of this happening without him on the floor.

Jalen does legendary clutch stuff so he is irreplaceable in his own unique way, but OG is the glue that binds this team together.

I'm certain this team wouldn't be where they are now without OG. He's the difference between the Knicks being a good team and a team that can do great things.

When I look back on this team its essence to me will be defined by the presence of OG Anunoby.

With all due respect there are so many guys who have been critical which is why this team is so special.

KAT and his massive turn around
Mikal and Landry going nuclear at times plus D
Mitch for stretches
Hart for everything at different times including hitting 3 when they matter (kind of like Marcus smart)
Jose for being fearless
And yes OG who played a monster game yesterday including defending Wemby for stretches.

I hope deuce gets out of his funk and joins that list too

It was more of a personal statement than an analytical one.

I just feel OG is in a real way to me the soul of this team

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6/11/2026  1:37 PM
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6/11/2026  1:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2026  1:39 PM
martin wrote:
Uptown wrote:Props to Mike Brown foe pushing sll the right buttons....Playing Alvarado and Brunson together down the stretch was risky and smart. Got Brunson off the ball and Alavarado gave them another player that can get 2 feet in the paint and spray for a 3.

Also, putting Kat on the inbounder was smart. Spurs were trying to throw an alley-oop to Castle. Kat got a finger on the ball.....this is unreal!!!

Interesting breakdown


I wish we had more insight into this


if the defensive call is to double brunson, why complicate matchups by pre switching? Brunson has passed out of all the double teams no matter it was Wemby or not.

second, why would wemby pre switch onto mikal?

if the point is for wemby to sit the backline, Mikal is probably going to one of the corners. if its single action with mikal, you're now switching ur preswitch by putting wemby onto the ball. which is exactly what ended up happening. what makes more sense if the goal is for wemby to end up on the backline help defender is to preswitch him onto brunson to START the possession.

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6/11/2026  1:47 PM
BlueKnickers wrote:It was more of a personal statement than an analytical one.

I just feel OG is in a real way to me the soul of this team

100...

Guys like OG are the key to winning teams. They may not be all-stars in the traditional sense, but they do anything and EVERYTHING the team needs them to do. The idea that being a two-way is a practically specialty has always been nuts to me. The time these guys spending learning and playing the game and then the money get to play this game, you'd think they'd all do whatever it takes to be useful on either of the court.

That said, this team became a better all around two-way team this year, especially in the playoffs. They found another gear on defense, which is crazy given how much Thibs was defense focused. Oddly ditching Thibs might have been one of the unspoken biggest motivations for this team. Beyond Brown feeling the pressure to do more and better, the players knew that it was on them to execute and perform better in every way. And it's almost funny that the regular season wasn't more dominant, but that they found the extra gears when they absolutely needed it is part of the magic of this unit.

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6/11/2026  2:05 PM
aggo wrote:
martin wrote:
Uptown wrote:Props to Mike Brown foe pushing sll the right buttons....Playing Alvarado and Brunson together down the stretch was risky and smart. Got Brunson off the ball and Alavarado gave them another player that can get 2 feet in the paint and spray for a 3.

Also, putting Kat on the inbounder was smart. Spurs were trying to throw an alley-oop to Castle. Kat got a finger on the ball.....this is unreal!!!

Interesting breakdown


I wish we had more insight into this


if the defensive call is to double brunson, why complicate matchups by pre switching? Brunson has passed out of all the double teams no matter it was Wemby or not.

second, why would wemby pre switch onto mikal?

if the point is for wemby to sit the backline, Mikal is probably going to one of the corners. if its single action with mikal, you're now switching ur preswitch by putting wemby onto the ball. which is exactly what ended up happening. what makes more sense if the goal is for wemby to end up on the backline help defender is to preswitch him onto brunson to START the possession.

I think those questions are answered from the opposite perspective: Brown set up the guys strategically so that Wemby had to make a flash decision and he couldn't.

A+ for Brown and coaches if that was the intent

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