BRIGGS wrote:My daughter is a freshmen in college in Austria. She told me this am school will open back up May 14 and that stores will open up April 14. Said the cases of Covid 19 have nearly exhausted. This is good news although much smaller country. But I’d like to focus on the positive and this is the best I’ve heard.
Also you will NOT be able to come back to the community without wearing a mask in Austria— something the USA needs to learn

I know that in LA they are starting to enforce wearing masks or they can deny you service

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BigDaddyG wrote:https://www.newsweek.com/swedish-hospitals-chloroquine-covid-19-side-effects-1496368

Several hospitals in Sweden have reportedly stopped administering chloroquine to coronavirus patients following reports the drug was causing adverse side effects.

According to the national paper Expressen, hospitals in the Västra Götaland region are no longer offering the antimalarial medication, with side effects reported to include cramps and the loss of peripheral vision.

New studies are showing it has no impact on COVID-1 patients with severe symptoms, both by itself and in conjunction with azithromycin.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0399077X20300858?via%3Dihub

Go figure.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html

If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.

Very unsurprising

This really looks like a non story. I was curious as I think it could be an obvious conflict of course. I understand 99% of the people in this thread despise Trump
(to put it lightly). I was a Bernie guy, so it is kind of non emotional for me to go through the thread. My point here is, be careful of the emotion getting the better
of you. Things like this can add to our previously held beliefs in a dishonest way. I don't mean that against anyone. We all experience this to some degree.

I did a bit of digging.

Trumps "interest" here is via a part of a mutual fund he holds (mentioned below in the Business Insider article.) For some perspective I found the below:

Forbes: (snippet)

Forbes estimates the value of Trump’s Sanofi holdings to be less than $3,000; for context, Forbes estimates Trump's total net worth at $2.1 billion

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/04/07/trump-has-small-distant-link-to-sanofi-french-drugmaker-of-hydroxychloroquine/

Business Insider said this:

Trump has a distant financial link to a pharma giant that makes the drug he's been pushing to fight COVID-19 — but it's probably worth less than $1,000

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-small-financial-ties-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-drug-maker-2020-4?op=1

I don't really watch TV, so I am not familiar with CNN, ABC, FOX, etc. that much (more via internet clips.) And I'm not familiar with Forbes or Business Insider. I found
some other articles (e.g. from Salon - https://www.salon.com/2020/04/07/trump-holds-financial-interest-in-pharmaceutical-company-that-produces-hydroxychloroquine-nyt_partner/
but they don't mention an amount.

Marketwatch calculated (due to it being in a mutual fund), that it could be around $99. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-personal-stake-in-the-malaria-drug-maker-sanofi-could-be-as-small-as-99-2020-04-07

Martin - You were correct. I never thought to check my spam as I sent the first email and thought it would of course allow a return in. Thanks for your friendly letter and points taken.
Re this topic here, I think the burden is a bit on the people who brought it up to give financial amounts. Without that things can really be misconstrued. Everything I found point to the $$$ being miniscule.
I don't really enjoy taking part in back and forth's but wanted to drop this in here as it concerned me at first.

I'm not saying it's a smoking gun. It's just odd behavior for him to start aggressively pushing a drug that still has so many questions surrounding it's effectiveness. People's lives are on the line. We can't afford half-truths. It could be nothing, it could be just a snippet of the much larger picture

https://lawandcrime.com/covid-19-pandemic/major-producer-of-hydroxychloroquine-once-paid-michael-cohen-hefty-sum-for-access-to-trump/

President Donald Trump on Sunday once again touted the potential life-saving benefits of treating coronavirus patients with hydroxychloroquine, a powerful anti-malaria drug, despite a dearth of medical professionals or clinical evidence supporting his claims. It just so happens that one of the largest manufacturers of the drug, Novartis, previously paid Trump’s now-incarcerated former personal attorney Michael Cohen more than $1 million for healthcare policy insight following Trump’s election in 2016.

The Swiss drug maker signed a contract that paid Cohen’s newly formed limited-liability corporation Essential Consultants $100,000 per month in February of 2017. After details of the deal were leaked by the now-jailed Michael Avenatti, whose then-client Stormy Daniels was engaged in a legal dispute with the president, the company’s CEO issued a public apology saying Novartis “made a mistake” in contracting with the president’s personal attorney.

I have to laugh at this nonsense! There are many doctors that have great results with this drug. My sister-in-law is on it for years for lupus and is sure she didn't get the virus when her daughter had it as they were together. These conspiracy theories are funny!

What nonsense? Facts? I'm happy you're sister in law is healthy, but this falls under anecdotal. There are many doctors, no make that hospitals, that have serious concerns about this drug. It's irresponsible to go pushing this out as a miracle. People are scared and desperate. Trump has shown in the past that he is a con man willing to play on people's desperation. That isn't a conspiracy.

This board, that should be for the Knicks, is a classic example of "Trump derangement syndrome" that is seen every day on the fake news networks and you know who they are. The hatred here is not normal human behavior. First he was a Russian spy! Now he's trying to kill people with a drug that's been used since the 50's. According to fake news Michael Avenatti was going to be president in the White House, now he's in the Big House! Come on guys, fake news!

You realize one of the basic tenants of science is that correlation does not equal causation, don't you? Just because 2 things occur it does not mean one thing caused the other- there is such a thing as coincidence.

Imagine if that one dodgy French scientist had claimed to have treated 20 patients with covid 19. He then said that he stopped all 20 from shaving when critical, and that all 20 survived. He then claims not shaving stops you dying from covid-19. Trump then goes on tv and declares everyone should stop shaving, because 'what have you got to lose?!'. You then say your brother in law didn't shave for 3 days while their daughter had it, so that proves not shaving protects you. Can't you see how idiotic that is? Don't you get why it's important to test these things out first. This case is even worse because it means you sister in law likely will struggle to find the meds she needs for her lupus because everyone else has bought it because they think its a cure when it hasn't been proven.

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bigjeep8 wrote:This board, that should be for the Knicks, is a classic example of "Trump derangement syndrome" that is seen every day on the fake news networks and you know who they are. The hatred here is not normal human behavior. First he was a Russian spy! Now he's trying to kill people with a drug that's been used since the 50's. According to fake news Michael Avenatti was going to be president in the White House, now he's in the Big House! Come on guys, fake news!

bigjeep8, I deleted your other post about Avenatti. This is not the time, place, or thread for this type of post. Please use better judgement.

The reason I mentioned him was his name was in another post here about him saying something about Trump from JAIL! And this is not the place or time to post this nonsense on a KNICKS BOARD!

Locked your account, not wasting my time. Feel free to contact me offline to discuss: martin@ultimateknicks.com

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BigDaddyG -
Re hydroxychloroquine stack - I'm more curious as to why MSM is so worried about us as to villify the drug. I've never really felt that they look out for us. Almost like when someone who usually ignores you starts being real friendly and you're like "What do you want?" I wonder if it is more about the drug being generic (no real money to be made in it) and a vaccine (which will take a while) being very profitable (and patentable.) That said, some of the other treatments (e.g. some kind of plasma one) seem very promising thus far.

meloshouldgo - I honestly wasn't talking about you when I replied to this post -

Very unsurprising

BRIGGS wrote:Biggest problem by far is not coronavirus. It’s the millions of hourly paid workers who haven’t had a dime of income in a month. This will cause problems beyond repair. It’s imperative that small companies that do receive stimulus to hire back people ASAP abd that state governments get unemployment compensation out immediately regardless of “rules”. I’ve read to many posts that people were having troubles with their states compensation fund— can’t have this.you can’t have millions of people broke with no where to turn to buy food water and housing. Stimulus only works if it doesn’t get bogged down or used corruptively.

Small businesses are in several binds. First, the money has not yet started to flow. Lots of small businesses are confused about how to apply and what details they need to provide and some of the rules around it. These are all first hand accounts as I have talked with several. Small businesses get the money - only 2 months worth of payroll (and not for contractors, which could be a large portion of the bigger "staff" that businesses have) - and what happens if they are deemed non-essential? Small businesses that are non-essential will pay people to not come into work and then what? 2 months go by and then what? Furlough those same workers. What then? It's a circular thing.

A lot of businesses are finding that the employees that are furloughed make the same amount (or more) money going on unemployment. Catch-22.

Has anyone gotten their $1200 per person yet? Nope.

We are 2-3 weeks into this big time and several more away from when money from the CARES Acts will hit and it's limited to 2 months of payroll. That's a drop in bucket for most.

There is a delay in the CARES Act part 2, and it's the Senate that's sitting on their arse cause they don't care at this point and are doubly afraid of what restrictions will be put on it (election coverage, etc.).

It's a ****-show out there

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BRIGGS wrote:Biggest problem by far is not coronavirus. It’s the millions of hourly paid workers who haven’t had a dime of income in a month. This will cause problems beyond repair. It’s imperative that small companies that do receive stimulus to hire back people ASAP abd that state governments get unemployment compensation out immediately regardless of “rules”. I’ve read to many posts that people were having troubles with their states compensation fund— can’t have this.you can’t have millions of people broke with no where to turn to buy food water and housing. Stimulus only works if it doesn’t get bogged down or used corruptively.

Correct problem wrong solution. There's no need to give money tio small businesses and then insist they keep workers on payroll. You can give money directly to the workers. There was also no need to send checks to salaried workers at all. And directly pay all hourly workers full weekly wages. And extend unemployment insurance to cover the entire number of weeks on lockdown. No need to set up a committee to oversee how small business are using the funds - just no need to give them funds.

100% agreed, should have been the solution from the start. But then there wouldn't be corporate slush funds for people to access

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