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5/16/2015  4:01 PM
Hmm, just watched the interview with Russell about speaking to the knicks - he didn't really seem very enthusiastic about joining the Knicks- doesn't even know what the triangle is and didn't pretend to.
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5/16/2015  5:08 PM
The Knicks have a hard on for willie stein imho I still think if we don't get pick 1 we will be getting stein
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smackeddog wrote:Hmm, just watched the interview with Russell about speaking to the knicks - he didn't really seem very enthusiastic about joining the Knicks- doesn't even know what the triangle is and didn't pretend to.
I think he wants to go to Philly and they appear to have made him a promise.
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5/16/2015  8:14 PM
Have to wonder if the Knicks took Russell how much Philly would give up for him.
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5/16/2015  10:09 PM
Nothing has changed from me...

Towns
Ok4
Mudiay
Winslow
Russell

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5/16/2015  10:35 PM
The knock on Okafor late in the season was his conditioning. Lewis agreed, saying he believes an ankle injury suffered in February against North Carolina set Okafor back.

“I think he lost his conditioning at end of season because he couldn’t practice,’’ Lewis said. “His body type, he needs to practice and work hard constantly.’’

From the Post.
I think it was Briggs or Nix that pointed out Okafor was injured and that impacted his performance. The article says he has lost 12 lbs since the tourney ended and has been working out hard.
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5/16/2015  11:31 PM
The Celtics like Willie Cauley Stein:
Boston Celtics have growing interest in Willie Cauley-Stein


Two league sources told CSNNE.com Friday that the Boston Celtics are "very open" to moving up in next month’s NBA draft. And while the sources did not indicate which player Boston was targeting, there are growing signs that they have their sights set on trying to draft Kentucky big man Willie Cauley-Stein.

Some experts (like Chad Ford) are skeptical that the Celtics have the assets to get into the top 10 to land a guy like WTCS. I would counter that they probably have what it takes, but it might cost more than they are willing to give up (Marcus Smart). Still, sometimes guys slide on draft day and there's a chance that he could fall into a spot that would be more affordable for the Celtics to trade into. (Yes, this is where getting into the playoffs "costs" the Celtics. I'd still pay that price 10 times out of 10 because the draft is still a roll of the dice no matter where you pick.)

If the Trill is gone (see what I did there?) when the Celtics pick and they haven't traded up, there are other backup plans to consider. One guy that might get pushed out of the top 10 could be Myles Turner. He's a guy that can shoot well for a guy his size and he knows his way around the defensive side of the ball as well.

DraftExpress NBA Draft Prospect Profile: Myles Turner, Stats, Comparisons, and Outlook


While not an explosive athlete, Turner combines his plus length with excellent timing and great shot blocking instincts to be a consistent factor on this end of the court. Similarly, while Turner could certainly stand to fill out his frame with much-needed strength, he has good technique on the defensive glass and shows a nose for the ball, and does a good job collecting rebounds outside of his area for a guy who isn't all that quick.

Again, he might not last till the 16th pick, but the Celtics could move up a few spots to snag him if they think he won't last past a certain slot.

The problem with targeting big men, however, is that a lot of teams could use them. So sometimes you have to take a chance on someone later in the draft and hope they pan out. That worked out well for Danny Ainge when he picked up Kendrick Perkins straight out of high school. It didn't work out so well when he picked Fab Melo.

With that in mind, the Celtics might just take a shot on a guy like Robert Upshaw with the Clippers pick. Or if they need to use a 2nd rounder to move up a spot or two, that might be a decent investment long term. Upshaw is a guy that most agree would be a lottery pick if not for his substance abuse related suspension. Because of that, he's being projected near the end of the first round.

Will NBA teams be willing to take a chance on Robert Upshaw?


Since being dismissed from Washington (he led the nation in blocks with 4.6 at the time), Upshaw has spent that time getting himself right off the court with various programs designed to help free him from the substance abuse-related issues that put his pro career in serious jeopardy. "It’s been a long process," Upshaw said. "I’ve had a lot of education around drugs and alcohol. There’s a lot of things I’ve been through. I haven’t kept that a secret. I’ve just been working on myself with a team of people that are really close to me so I can have success at the next level."

Upshaw has even had Bill Walton start mentoring him on the struggles of substance abuse and overcoming them in the NBA. There's no question that the kid has talent and "measurables" but his past will follow him and the temptations at the next level will be abundant, so of course it will be a risk for whomever selects him.

So those are a few names to keep an eye on during the draft. The Celtics may not be able to obtain any of their draft rights, but you can bet that they'll do their due diligence on them.

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5/17/2015  3:31 AM
BRIGGS wrote:The Knicks have a hard on for willie stein imho I still think if we don't get pick 1 we will be getting stein

I would be happy getting him in combination with another player (Kaminsky or Winslow), but disappointed if it was just him. I think he will help teams, much like Jared Jeffries did, but we need a heck of a lot more than a new Jared Jeffries. If we get the 3rd or 4th pick, and the 76ers ends up with the 5th (plus the Lakers pick falls to them at 6 or 7), then I would trade Russell (who I don't think wants to be here) to the 76ers for those two picks.

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CrushAlot wrote:The Celtics like Willie Cauley Stein:
Boston Celtics have growing interest in Willie Cauley-Stein


Two league sources told CSNNE.com Friday that the Boston Celtics are "very open" to moving up in next month’s NBA draft. And while the sources did not indicate which player Boston was targeting, there are growing signs that they have their sights set on trying to draft Kentucky big man Willie Cauley-Stein.

Some experts (like Chad Ford) are skeptical that the Celtics have the assets to get into the top 10 to land a guy like WTCS. I would counter that they probably have what it takes, but it might cost more than they are willing to give up (Marcus Smart). Still, sometimes guys slide on draft day and there's a chance that he could fall into a spot that would be more affordable for the Celtics to trade into. (Yes, this is where getting into the playoffs "costs" the Celtics. I'd still pay that price 10 times out of 10 because the draft is still a roll of the dice no matter where you pick.)

If the Trill is gone (see what I did there?) when the Celtics pick and they haven't traded up, there are other backup plans to consider. One guy that might get pushed out of the top 10 could be Myles Turner. He's a guy that can shoot well for a guy his size and he knows his way around the defensive side of the ball as well.

DraftExpress NBA Draft Prospect Profile: Myles Turner, Stats, Comparisons, and Outlook


While not an explosive athlete, Turner combines his plus length with excellent timing and great shot blocking instincts to be a consistent factor on this end of the court. Similarly, while Turner could certainly stand to fill out his frame with much-needed strength, he has good technique on the defensive glass and shows a nose for the ball, and does a good job collecting rebounds outside of his area for a guy who isn't all that quick.

Again, he might not last till the 16th pick, but the Celtics could move up a few spots to snag him if they think he won't last past a certain slot.

The problem with targeting big men, however, is that a lot of teams could use them. So sometimes you have to take a chance on someone later in the draft and hope they pan out. That worked out well for Danny Ainge when he picked up Kendrick Perkins straight out of high school. It didn't work out so well when he picked Fab Melo.

With that in mind, the Celtics might just take a shot on a guy like Robert Upshaw with the Clippers pick. Or if they need to use a 2nd rounder to move up a spot or two, that might be a decent investment long term. Upshaw is a guy that most agree would be a lottery pick if not for his substance abuse related suspension. Because of that, he's being projected near the end of the first round.

Will NBA teams be willing to take a chance on Robert Upshaw?


Since being dismissed from Washington (he led the nation in blocks with 4.6 at the time), Upshaw has spent that time getting himself right off the court with various programs designed to help free him from the substance abuse-related issues that put his pro career in serious jeopardy. "It’s been a long process," Upshaw said. "I’ve had a lot of education around drugs and alcohol. There’s a lot of things I’ve been through. I haven’t kept that a secret. I’ve just been working on myself with a team of people that are really close to me so I can have success at the next level."

Upshaw has even had Bill Walton start mentoring him on the struggles of substance abuse and overcoming them in the NBA. There's no question that the kid has talent and "measurables" but his past will follow him and the temptations at the next level will be abundant, so of course it will be a risk for whomever selects him.

So those are a few names to keep an eye on during the draft. The Celtics may not be able to obtain any of their draft rights, but you can bet that they'll do their due diligence on them.

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http://www.celticsblog.com/2015/5/16/8616443/celtics-could-target-a-big-man-in-the-draft

That's Larry Bird and Danny Ainge who both like him

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5/17/2015  3:40 AM
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smackeddog wrote:Hmm, just watched the interview with Russell about speaking to the knicks - he didn't really seem very enthusiastic about joining the Knicks- doesn't even know what the triangle is and didn't pretend to.
I think he wants to go to Philly and they appear to have made him a promise.

Makes sense- there's no way in heck he would go into an interview with the Knicks and Phil Jackson not knowing what the triangle is if he actually wanted to come here, unless his agent is the numbest agent alive.

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5/17/2015  10:59 AM
I like stein BUT im not passing up russell or mudiay to draft him no way.
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5/17/2015  11:00 AM
Also WCS seemed a bit salty with Towns, seemed to throw him under a bus a bit as he was fed up of the extra praise Towns is getting.
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5/17/2015  11:52 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:I like stein BUT im not passing up russell or mudiay to draft him no way.

When teams float a name it's usually not a target. On the other hand I believe what phil was telling ticket holders.

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5/17/2015  3:22 PM
Can't believe the draft lottery is so close- felt like we'd ever get there. Hopefully we'll all be euphoric in a couple of days- dropping to fourth or fifth would feel like when LeBron did the decision, we found out it was going to be in NY and BRIGGS bought shares in MSG, only for us to find out not only was he NOT coming here, neither were Wade or Bosh- oh, and instead they were all signing with our arch nemesis the heat!
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5/18/2015  8:11 AM
smackeddog wrote:Can't believe the draft lottery is so close- felt like we'd ever get there. Hopefully we'll all be euphoric in a couple of days- dropping to fourth or fifth would feel like when LeBron did the decision, we found out it was going to be in NY and BRIGGS bought shares in MSG, only for us to find out not only was he NOT coming here, neither were Wade or Bosh- oh, and instead they were all signing with our arch nemesis the heat!
Feel the same way. As a Knick fan i always expect the worst because thats usually what happens lol. However if we can get 3 or 4 we will still be able to get a real good player. Russell Mudiay or even Winslow should be in the play for us
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Until Deputy Commissioner Mark Tatum opens the envelopes Tuesday at the N.B.A. draft lottery at the New York Hilton, he will not know the winner.

Nor will the hopeful representatives from each team, nor the assembled members of the news media, nor the millions watching the revelation on television.

But about 25 people will know because the actual draft lottery will be over, having taken place about an hour earlier in another room of the hotel.

The annual opening of the envelopes is essentially a made-for-TV sideshow; the actual selection of the winning teams takes place in strict secrecy.

The site for the little-seen but crucial event will be a conference room elsewhere in the hotel. A drawing of Ping-Pong balls from a machine like those used in state lotteries will be witnessed by a representative of each team — not the same ones who sit at desks under television lights at the formal announcement — and a few members of the news media. Their cellphones will be confiscated, and no contact with the outside world will be allowed.

Once the drawing is complete, three people will leave the room: two N.B.A. legal officials and Denise Pelli, a partner of the accounting firm Ernst & Young. They will go to a second room, where 14 envelopes and logo cards for each team will be waiting. Everyone else in the first room must remain sequestered until after the televised ceremony.

The envelopes will be prepared, and then Ms. Pelli will be escorted by security guards to a third room, where the ceremony will take place. The N.B.A. officials will remain behind; Ms. Pelli will be the only person in the room who knows what is in the envelopes.

The lottery will be conducted on a machine manufactured by Smartplay International, which is also responsible for weighing and measuring the 14 Ping-Pong balls that are pulled from it.

A timekeeper with a digital stopwatch will stand with his back to the machine. Precisely 20 seconds after it starts, he will signal to the operator to draw a ball. Further signals will come at 10-second intervals until four balls have been pulled.

Although there are 14 teams in the lottery and 14 Ping-Pong balls, that match is just a coincidence. The number of Ping-Pong balls was chosen because there are exactly 1,001 ways that four numbers can be drawn from a set of 14. Each of those combinations is assigned to a team. The Minnesota Timberwolves, who had the worst record this season and have a 25 percent chance of getting the top pick, receive the first 250 combinations: 1, 2, 3, 4; 1, 2, 3, 5; 1, 2, 3, 6 — all the way to 1, 7, 12, 14. The Knicks, the next-worst team, get the next 199 combinations, and so on down to the Oklahoma City Thunder, who have only five combinations and an 0.5 percent chance at the top pick.

The 1,001st and final combination — 11, 12, 13, 14 — is unassigned; if it is drawn, the balls will be put back and drawn again. As in most lotteries, the order in which the balls are drawn does not matter — 1, 3, 9, 12 is considered the same as 3, 12, 9, 1.

Officials will hastily consult a chart and announce to the select few in the room which team has won the top pick. Then the balls will be returned to the hopper, and the second pick will be drawn, by the same process, and then the third. If a team is repeated, that draw will be disregarded and redone until a new team comes up.

Once the top three picks are determined, the lottery will be over. Slots 4 through 14 will be assigned based solely on record. As a result, the Timberwolves, even if they are not pulled in the three draws, will get no worse than the fourth pick.

For Knicks fans, the math looks like this: They have a 19.9 percent chance to have one of their combinations pulled for the top pick, an 18.8 percent chance for pick No. 2, and a 17.1 percent chance for pick No. 3 — in total, a 55.8 percent chance at a top-three pick.

If their combinations are not drawn, they will slip to No. 4 (31.9 percent) or No. 5 (12.3 percent), but no lower.

The lottery will be videotaped and will be posted on the N.B.A.’s website, but only after the televised ceremony is over.

Because of the lottery’s complexity and because revealing the picks in reverse order from 14 to 1 is more dramatic, it is the envelope-opening ceremony that is televised live, not the drawing that really determines who gets the top pick.

The N.B.A.’s method for determining who will get the top pick has grown more complex over time. Before there was the draft lottery, there was a coin flip. Beginning in 1966, the last-place teams in the Eastern and Western Conferences tossed for the right to the No. 1 pick; the loser got No. 2.

In 1985, after mutterings that teams might be losing games intentionally to have a 50-50 chance at the top pick, the league instituted its first lottery: a simple random draw among the seven worst teams. Each team had an envelope, and David Stern, the commissioner at the time, pulled one out of a drum. When he opened the envelope to reveal the Knicks’ logo, it fueled unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that linger to this day: that the envelope had been marked, or even refrigerated, to tip off Mr. Stern.

Since 1990, a weighted system has been used, and it has been tinkered with a few times over the years. Though the system has changed, the grumbling has never stopped. There were those who said, without any evidence, that the Cleveland Cavaliers’ victories in the last two lotteries were engineered to compensate the team for losing LeBron James to free agency.

The lottery exists, in part, to discourage teams from losing games and thereby assuring themselves of the first pick. Yet in many fans’ eyes, there was more tanking this season than ever.

But the lottery does seem to prevent tankers from being unduly rewarded. The last time the team with the worst record got the No. 1 pick was 2004, when Orlando received it.

When the envelopes are opened Tuesday night, it will be a dramatic moment, and the histories of several franchises will be altered. But even as hopeful executives are interviewed and fans cross their fingers, the drama will have already occurred, thanks to a few bouncing Ping-Pong balls in a small conference room downstairs.

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5/18/2015  10:31 AM
Right now, from what I've read, I think our draft board looks like this:

1. Trade pick for Durant
2. WCS
3. WCS
4. WCS
5. WCS

Seriously, though it seems like our top 4 picks are the predictable ones: 1 is Towns, 2 is OK4. We seem to be still deciding between Russell and Mudiay at the 3 and 4. If we end up with the 5th, it's looking like we'll either trade down for Kaminsky, or will draft WCS or Winslow.

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5/18/2015  12:14 PM
What I want the Knicks to do is not overthink it. There are five players at the top of the draft with potential, and the Knicks should come away with one of these even if they don't do anything else.

1. Towns
2. Okafor
3. Russell
4. Mudiay
5. Winslow

Get one of those and don't overthink it.

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5/18/2015  12:58 PM
Truth be told, I have not seen enought of either towns or Oka4 to warrant an opinion. I saw Oka4 hurt his ankle and limp the rest of the season. Saw him win a champinship.

Both Looked impressive in short bursts. Towns was never given the keys to be the man given the platoon and talent they had. Towns has some range from what I read that was have not seen. Oka4 looks to be a monster in the making.
Tomorrow the ping pong balls will tell the tale.

From a fans perspective its easy if we land the 2. Then the decision is out of our hands.

If Philly bouces ahead it makes it interesting. They could trade down. Lakers I would imagine take a one of the bigs As I think would Minny. Just think, KG is wait for one of them!!!

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5/18/2015  1:10 PM
Towns was the man for UK in the tournament.
Winslow not Ok4 was the man for Duke
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