mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Well he had a post a little later where he ran the #s and then said "I stand corrected"

I stand corrected on how it affected his TS.. not that it was highly efficient bonn.. which it isn't..

But bonn make no mistake this poster is very suspect.. he is using words like preposterous because i said Iverson was an all time great player... may I remind you an opinion shared by many outside of myself..

he uses words like highly efficient when talking about 38% shooting from three, when that is not even in the top 25 or 35 in the league..

he is all over the place....will never answer a question and uses smoke and mirrors to try to sidetrack discussions...

So now you are back tracking and saying that 38% from three is not highly efficient?

Can you please explain yourself?

38 percent from 3 is an effective fg pct of 59.5. Now I know that "you like your bigs shooting 50 percent" so maybe 59.5 is too much? 25-35 in the league makes it a bad percentage?

Bonn, do you believe that Iverson was an all time great player (an opinion shared by many)? What do you think of him and how he helped his team?

I never back track.. I made it clear, it is not highly efficient.. It is like saying getting a 75 on a test is a "GREAT" grade.. ok then what is getting a 95? 38% is not HIGHLY efficient..

38 percent from 3 is an effective fg pct of 59.5. Now I know that "you like your bigs shooting 50 percent" so maybe 59.5 is too much? 25-35 in the league makes it a bad percentage?

I want my bigs shooting plus 50% FG.. I am not talking TS% or some other metric I want them to make a majority of the shots they take.. is that too much to ask for? As usual you are misapplying TS.. and trying to support your weak argument.. that don't fly bro..

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:22 pages for this merry-go-round.

well ... we actually got somewhere. We brought the horse to the water and actually got him to drink a little. For a few hours, he was actually trying to learn.

Until he had a relapse. But we need to support him and help him get back up.

It feels like when I was helping my mother learn how to use a PC. Really painful but we got there even though she will never be that good at it.

dude you have been more wrong on this site.. you should just stop posting.. btw I would love for you to finish telling me how well spree did with the wolves in 1993.. lol

"I stand corrected on how it affected his TS.. not that it was highly efficient bonn.. which it isn't.."

This quote of yours just sums it up. I don't have to beat you in a debate. You beat yourself silly.

again you are twisting what I said.. saying I miscalculated how it affects his TS is not saying that I agree it is Highly efficient.. again, you are reaching and it is embarrasing for you, I am sure..

38% is not highly efficient in anything...

would you want to have a doctor who operated on you who only was sucessful 38% of the time? In the end the key is to make more than you miss.. 38% is not highly efficient!!!!

this! ugh!

Lets scale this back a little (since we are going backwards)

So is 50 percent from 2 better than 38 percent from 3?

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:22 pages for this merry-go-round.

well ... we actually got somewhere. We brought the horse to the water and actually got him to drink a little. For a few hours, he was actually trying to learn.

Until he had a relapse. But we need to support him and help him get back up.

It feels like when I was helping my mother learn how to use a PC. Really painful but we got there even though she will never be that good at it.

dude you have been more wrong on this site.. you should just stop posting.. btw I would love for you to finish telling me how well spree did with the wolves in 1993.. lol

"I stand corrected on how it affected his TS.. not that it was highly efficient bonn.. which it isn't.."

This quote of yours just sums it up. I don't have to beat you in a debate. You beat yourself silly.

again you are twisting what I said.. saying I miscalculated how it affects his TS is not saying that I agree it is Highly efficient.. again, you are reaching and it is embarrasing for you, I am sure..

38% is not highly efficient in anything...

would you want to have a doctor who operated on you who only was sucessful 38% of the time? In the end the key is to make more than you miss.. 38% is not highly efficient!!!!

this! ugh!

Lets scale this back a little (since we are going backwards)

So is 50 percent from 2 better than 38 percent from 3?

50% from three is better than 38% from three, as 50% from two is better than 38% from two.. you have to compare apples to apples..

You are not built for this bro..

38% is just above league average from three.. it is OK.. but not HIGHLY EFFICIENT.....

I will try this once more. Try to follow, I will speak slowly.

Would you rather "your bigs" shoot 10 2 point shots at 50 percent? Or 10 3's at 38 percent? Its not that hard to follow.

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Well he had a post a little later where he ran the #s and then said "I stand corrected"

I stand corrected on how it affected his TS.. not that it was highly efficient bonn.. which it isn't..

But bonn make no mistake this poster is very suspect.. he is using words like preposterous because i said Iverson was an all time great player... may I remind you an opinion shared by many outside of myself..

he uses words like highly efficient when talking about 38% shooting from three, when that is not even in the top 25 or 35 in the league..

he is all over the place....will never answer a question and uses smoke and mirrors to try to sidetrack discussions...

So now you are back tracking and saying that 38% from three is not highly efficient?

Can you please explain yourself?

38 percent from 3 is an effective fg pct of 59.5. Now I know that "you like your bigs shooting 50 percent" so maybe 59.5 is too much? 25-35 in the league makes it a bad percentage?

Bonn, do you believe that Iverson was an all time great player (an opinion shared by many)? What do you think of him and how he helped his team?

Bonn, can you chime in here?

I see that you are always running to his rescue but don't you ever try to talk some sense into him or have you given up?

with most posters, you would never let comments like this fly. You know how wrong they are but you stay away from him.

If that is your choice by design, I am sure that you have a reason for this since you have been posting with him for so long.

I just find it baffling since you and him are such opposite extremes and you don't even try. You throw in a comment here or there but then just don't bother with him.

If you defend him so often then I would think that you would also try to educate him.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Well he had a post a little later where he ran the #s and then said "I stand corrected"

I stand corrected on how it affected his TS.. not that it was highly efficient bonn.. which it isn't..

But bonn make no mistake this poster is very suspect.. he is using words like preposterous because i said Iverson was an all time great player... may I remind you an opinion shared by many outside of myself..

he uses words like highly efficient when talking about 38% shooting from three, when that is not even in the top 25 or 35 in the league..

he is all over the place....will never answer a question and uses smoke and mirrors to try to sidetrack discussions...

So now you are back tracking and saying that 38% from three is not highly efficient?

Can you please explain yourself?

38 percent from 3 is an effective fg pct of 59.5. Now I know that "you like your bigs shooting 50 percent" so maybe 59.5 is too much? 25-35 in the league makes it a bad percentage?

Bonn, do you believe that Iverson was an all time great player (an opinion shared by many)? What do you think of him and how he helped his team?

Bonn, can you chime in here?

I see that you are always running to his rescue but don't you ever try to talk some sense into him or have you given up?

with most posters, you would never let comments like this fly. You know how wrong they are but you stay away from him.

If that is your choice by design, I am sure that you have a reason for this since you have been posting with him for so long.

I just find it baffling since you and him are such opposite extremes and you don't even try. You throw in a comment here or there but then just don't bother with him.

If you defend him so often then I would think that you would also try to educate him.

Yeah, I side with you here. 38% from 3 is very good. It doesn't matter if it's not top 30. An open 3 point shot is a great shot from guys who are ranked below but close to 30. There are more than 30 guys in the league who hit layups at a great rate too! The only reason I didn't respond was that the whole board is harsh on TKF and I didn't feel I needed to pile on.
I'm glad you're here. I enjoy your knowledge of the advanced stats.

You have said that in other posts but isn't that a bit disingenuous? I actually really respect your posting and always read what you have to say because I find that I can learn from other posters who are actually doing research and reading and learning about advanced metrics.

But I just don't get that you give him a pass. Do you just not respect him enough to debate with him? Or you don't think that you would get anywhere?

Maybe the board would not be so harsh with him if you talked some sense into him (or at least tried). But you choose not to.

If he posts crap like this and he gets in peoples faces every thread don't you think that he deserves to be piled on? Isn't he asking for it?

I believe that you are doing him and the board an injustice.

Sorry man. Just my 2 cents. I am sure that this goes way back and I probably don't have the full history.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

mreinman wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Well he had a post a little later where he ran the #s and then said "I stand corrected"

I stand corrected on how it affected his TS.. not that it was highly efficient bonn.. which it isn't..

But bonn make no mistake this poster is very suspect.. he is using words like preposterous because i said Iverson was an all time great player... may I remind you an opinion shared by many outside of myself..

he uses words like highly efficient when talking about 38% shooting from three, when that is not even in the top 25 or 35 in the league..

he is all over the place....will never answer a question and uses smoke and mirrors to try to sidetrack discussions...

So now you are back tracking and saying that 38% from three is not highly efficient?

Can you please explain yourself?

38 percent from 3 is an effective fg pct of 59.5. Now I know that "you like your bigs shooting 50 percent" so maybe 59.5 is too much? 25-35 in the league makes it a bad percentage?

Bonn, do you believe that Iverson was an all time great player (an opinion shared by many)? What do you think of him and how he helped his team?

Bonn, can you chime in here?

I see that you are always running to his rescue but don't you ever try to talk some sense into him or have you given up?

with most posters, you would never let comments like this fly. You know how wrong they are but you stay away from him.

If that is your choice by design, I am sure that you have a reason for this since you have been posting with him for so long.

I just find it baffling since you and him are such opposite extremes and you don't even try. You throw in a comment here or there but then just don't bother with him.

If you defend him so often then I would think that you would also try to educate him.

Yeah, I side with you here. 38% from 3 is very good. It doesn't matter if it's not top 30. An open 3 point shot is a great shot from guys who are ranked below but close to 30. There are more than 30 guys in the league who hit layups at a great rate too! The only reason I didn't respond was that the whole board is harsh on TKF and I didn't feel I needed to pile on.
I'm glad you're here. I enjoy your knowledge of the advanced stats.

You have said that in other posts but isn't that a bit disingenuous? I actually really respect your posting and always read what you have to say because I find that I can learn from other posters who are actually doing research and reading and learning about advanced metrics.

But I just don't get that you give him a pass. Do you just not respect him enough to debate with him? Or you don't think that you would get anywhere?

Maybe the board would not be so harsh with him if you talked some sense into him (or at least tried). But you choose not to.

If he posts crap like this and he gets in peoples faces every thread don't you think that he deserves to be piled on? Isn't he asking for it?

I believe that you are doing him and the board an injustice.

Sorry man. Just my 2 cents. I am sure that this goes way back and I probably don't have the full history.

Well I did debate him here and then I just decided to let it go. Maybe it's also because for a while he, DK, and I were the only ones expressing serious concerns about Melo's game.

Ok. Well its not all about the Melo alliance.

Do you want to align yourself with someone who is blindly anti Melo yet you are at opposites ends of the extremes in regards to everything else?

DK, does try to look at metrics and for the most part is very fair outside of his Melo bias. But his Melo bias is tolerable. He would also want him retained at a low ball price which I can respect. But my respect for him has nothing to do with melo and if thats his hate guy then so be it. However, he does post interesting content that actually makes me think and do more research. He does his due diligence and is not a lazy loud mouth.

I don't wear rose colored Melo glasses and for me, I could care less what phil does with him. I trust that he will do what he believes is best for the team.

But in regards to everything else, He (TKF) is just out there.

Iverson, 3pt vs 2pt value / eFG%, Spree, FG%, TS% ("I will never look at TS, only FG%"), Basketball-Reference.com ("I don't do that, the site is old"), "player a is on team x and team x did well so then player a must be better than player b on team y", "I want my bigs shooting 50% 2's not 38% 3's (which is essentially an FG of 59%). SMH

Frustrating to see a poster like this who posts so often and aggressively be allowed to be that misinformed.

Once again, props to Papabear who said something by starting this monstrous thread.
This thread can be officially proclaimed not a Hate Melo thread.