NUPE wrote:tkf wrote:NUPE wrote:tkf wrote:
nah, I understand the process, I enjoy watching those teams, they will be fine... you see this is not that deep for me.. the knicks have to win NOW, those teams don't...... you still a fan...
So says you. The Knicks have not won their division, a playoff series or the conference in how long?!?!? There is a lot of room for improvement and success this season without winning it all. The must win now mantra is simply a pathetic attempt on your part to reserve the right to claim this season is a failure. I see what you are doing, troll!
if the knicks don't win this year, where do you expect this team to go in a confrence that is young and improving and the knicks having 3 guys crossing the 40 year old barrier? no picks, and no young talent going forward to improve from withing... we can talk shumpert but we have to see how that knee does,other than that, what you see is what you get.. we have to win now!!!!
I ask you where is the room for improvement after this season if we don't win.... and honestly the troll argument is old.. put on your big boy pants and answer my question..
if the knicks trashed their future to just win a division, then it is an ultimate failure .. end of story...
You always bring up youth and draft picks as if that is the key to winning or improvement in the short term. Yet, most of the top teams in the NBA are older and have been older year in and year out (except the Thunder who to date have no actually won a thing).
As for the Knicks, their core players are far far far from old, excluding Kidd, who will most likely come off the bench eventually. This team is not reliant on Kurt Thomas, Rasheed Wallace, Marcus Camby, Prigioni, etc. The core Knick team (Melo, Felton, Amar'e, Chandler, Shumpert, Novak, Brewer, JR Smith) should be able to play at a high level through their current contracts and some well beyond that. This whole the Knicks are old claim is so massively overblown and its been proven by the fact that the Knicks are beating young teams this year despite the alleged oncoming onslaught of Dementia and Alzheimer's.
If the Knicks can win their division and a round in the playoffs - this year - that would be a great considering the last decade of futility. I believe they can do much more than that but what I listed would be beyond failure to me. You are free to set your own bar for failure, just don't pretend it is universal for all people.
But where do you go from there.. we almost have to assume that kid will be slightly less effective, amare and his knees, what about that? we can hope to have a healthy shumpert back, but will we keep him? history dictates that we don't.... carmelo and chandler have a lot of years on their bodies, you can see the lack of explosion carmelo has now, guy gets his shot blocked a lot... brewer isn't a long term solution, we don't have to picks to replace guys like that and improve from within.... that is important man... Teams in the east are getting better.. Just look at this.. the hawks gutted a lot of their team, and their best player, or highest paid player, and so far they are just 1 game or so behind us, and they are supposedly retooling/ rebuilding, they have picks, cap space and a pretty good team right now to go with that.. don't you think they will improve? my point is, I have been a fan for over 35 years, we gave up so much to be where we are now.. I am not a fan of the direction or way we went about things, but now the stakes are high... and there is no way around that... I know we haven't won much in years, but that is no excuse to lower expectations, we made a lot of moves, gave away a bit of young talent, and picks, as well as flexibility... we signed guys to generous deals, this is not some 4 year plan my man.. this is NOW..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
