newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Don't go by numbers, go by watching the actual finals games which Riley switched Shaq to like the other side of the paint or something like that which forced Dallas to alter there whole game plan which they had trouble adapting to defensively and opened up Wade to be the unstoppable beast he was.

Reguardless the context of the convo was comparing Shaq that was traded to Mia to the Shaq that was traded to Cleveland since TKF stated that Shaq is an example of an elite player running to go play with Lebron. Chuck was demonstrating that Shaq wasn't elite anymore. Reguardless of even that Shaq didn't go running to play with Lebron, he didn't force the suns to trade him to Cleveland, Pheniox wanted to get rid of them and Cleveland org felt maybe he could make a difference for them in the playoffs.

I never said shaq was elite, point out where i said that.... he wasn't elite when he was with wade either... he wasn't the LA shaq in miami or cleveland.....

ChuckBuck wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Yea I guess 23 playoffs games played in '06 with averages of 18 and 10 boards is a walk in park for most 33 yr old centers. Wade will just set picks for himself and boxout Erick Dampier too. Shaq was still a force at age 33, you can't teach 7'2 300 pounds with experience and skills.

ok, so lets wrap this up.... wade can attribute all of his success to a 33 year old shaq... Kobe was a fluke, the credit goes to shaq, and lebron wasn't that great, because he had wade... geez, this is confusing.. in the end, I guess it all comes back to carmelo being greater than all of them.. go figure...

Trump up shaq, knock down wade

Trump up wade, knock down lebron

Trump up shaq and knock down kobe..

all of this equals trump up melo.... I get it.. haha..

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Don't go by numbers, go by watching the actual finals games which Riley switched Shaq to like the other side of the paint or something like that which forced Dallas to alter there whole game plan which they had trouble adapting to defensively and opened up Wade to be the unstoppable beast he was.

Reguardless the context of the convo was comparing Shaq that was traded to Mia to the Shaq that was traded to Cleveland since TKF stated that Shaq is an example of an elite player running to go play with Lebron. Chuck was demonstrating that Shaq wasn't elite anymore. Reguardless of even that Shaq didn't go running to play with Lebron, he didn't force the suns to trade him to Cleveland, Pheniox wanted to get rid of them and Cleveland org felt maybe he could make a difference for them in the playoffs.

I never said shaq was elite, point out where i said that.... he wasn't elite when he was with wade either... he wasn't the LA shaq in miami or cleveland.....

True or false, Shaquille O'Neal was the best center in the NBA in 2006?

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Don't go by numbers, go by watching the actual finals games which Riley switched Shaq to like the other side of the paint or something like that which forced Dallas to alter there whole game plan which they had trouble adapting to defensively and opened up Wade to be the unstoppable beast he was.

Reguardless the context of the convo was comparing Shaq that was traded to Mia to the Shaq that was traded to Cleveland since TKF stated that Shaq is an example of an elite player running to go play with Lebron. Chuck was demonstrating that Shaq wasn't elite anymore. Reguardless of even that Shaq didn't go running to play with Lebron, he didn't force the suns to trade him to Cleveland, Pheniox wanted to get rid of them and Cleveland org felt maybe he could make a difference for them in the playoffs.

I never said shaq was elite, point out where i said that.... he wasn't elite when he was with wade either... he wasn't the LA shaq in miami or cleveland.....

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

In which you replied

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Don't go by numbers, go by watching the actual finals games which Riley switched Shaq to like the other side of the paint or something like that which forced Dallas to alter there whole game plan which they had trouble adapting to defensively and opened up Wade to be the unstoppable beast he was.

Reguardless the context of the convo was comparing Shaq that was traded to Mia to the Shaq that was traded to Cleveland since TKF stated that Shaq is an example of an elite player running to go play with Lebron. Chuck was demonstrating that Shaq wasn't elite anymore. Reguardless of even that Shaq didn't go running to play with Lebron, he didn't force the suns to trade him to Cleveland, Pheniox wanted to get rid of them and Cleveland org felt maybe he could make a difference for them in the playoffs.

I never said shaq was elite, point out where i said that.... he wasn't elite when he was with wade either... he wasn't the LA shaq in miami or cleveland.....

True or false, Shaquille O'Neal was the best center in the NBA in 2006?

True or false when the board was arguing who was the best center back in 2006,many were saying eddy curry... so the answer to your question is false..

I think most would even argue, yao ming, and duncan who was playing center, were better...

I just want to know in your heart of hearts are you trying to minimize the accomplishments of one of, if not the leagues best player that year, the finals mvp, a true 2 way player,in order to defend your position on carmelo anthony.. I ask that because so far, we have seen poster try to minimize lebron, kobe, ewing, all in an attempt to prop up carmelo... do you really see this as a logical argument.. In your heart.. forget what you feel about me, or any other poster...

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Don't go by numbers, go by watching the actual finals games which Riley switched Shaq to like the other side of the paint or something like that which forced Dallas to alter there whole game plan which they had trouble adapting to defensively and opened up Wade to be the unstoppable beast he was.

Reguardless the context of the convo was comparing Shaq that was traded to Mia to the Shaq that was traded to Cleveland since TKF stated that Shaq is an example of an elite player running to go play with Lebron. Chuck was demonstrating that Shaq wasn't elite anymore. Reguardless of even that Shaq didn't go running to play with Lebron, he didn't force the suns to trade him to Cleveland, Pheniox wanted to get rid of them and Cleveland org felt maybe he could make a difference for them in the playoffs.

I never said shaq was elite, point out where i said that.... he wasn't elite when he was with wade either... he wasn't the LA shaq in miami or cleveland.....

True or false, Shaquille O'Neal was the best center in the NBA in 2006?

True or false when the board was arguing who was the best center back in 2006,many were saying eddy curry... so the answer to your question is false..

I think most would even argue, yao ming, and duncan who was playing center, were better...

I just want to know in your heart of hearts are you trying to minimize the accomplishments of one of, if not the leagues best player that year, the finals mvp, a true 2 way player,in order to defend your position on carmelo anthony.. I ask that because so far, we have seen poster try to minimize lebron, kobe, ewing, all in an attempt to prop up carmelo... do you really see this as a logical argument.. In your heart.. forget what you feel about me, or any other poster...

So what does it mean to you that someone as great as Wade a true 2 way player has struggled mightly in the playoffs without Shaq and Lebron. That as Shaq declined so did there chances at contention. The following yr getting swept out of the playoffs. Then losing in the first rd the next 2yrs after. Doesn't that put things into perspective when even players you deem as great struggle without the right help?

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holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Don't go by numbers, go by watching the actual finals games which Riley switched Shaq to like the other side of the paint or something like that which forced Dallas to alter there whole game plan which they had trouble adapting to defensively and opened up Wade to be the unstoppable beast he was.

Reguardless the context of the convo was comparing Shaq that was traded to Mia to the Shaq that was traded to Cleveland since TKF stated that Shaq is an example of an elite player running to go play with Lebron. Chuck was demonstrating that Shaq wasn't elite anymore. Reguardless of even that Shaq didn't go running to play with Lebron, he didn't force the suns to trade him to Cleveland, Pheniox wanted to get rid of them and Cleveland org felt maybe he could make a difference for them in the playoffs.

I never said shaq was elite, point out where i said that.... he wasn't elite when he was with wade either... he wasn't the LA shaq in miami or cleveland.....

True or false, Shaquille O'Neal was the best center in the NBA in 2006?

True or false when the board was arguing who was the best center back in 2006,many were saying eddy curry... so the answer to your question is false..

I think most would even argue, yao ming, and duncan who was playing center, were better...

I just want to know in your heart of hearts are you trying to minimize the accomplishments of one of, if not the leagues best player that year, the finals mvp, a true 2 way player,in order to defend your position on carmelo anthony.. I ask that because so far, we have seen poster try to minimize lebron, kobe, ewing, all in an attempt to prop up carmelo... do you really see this as a logical argument.. In your heart.. forget what you feel about me, or any other poster...

LOL What?

Did you just mention Eddie Curry and Shaq in the same sentence?

Again, Google is your friend.

Eddie Curry (2006) 13.6 pts/gm, 6 reb/gm, 0.8 blk/gm on 56 FG%

vs

Shaquille O'Neal (2006) 20 pts/gm 9.2 reb/gm, 1.8 blk/gm on 60 FG%(led league in field goal percentage)

Would you care to retract your "False" statement? I'll give you another chance.

why not try reading, you are busting your pants at every attempt to try to "get one up on me"..dude I only mentioned it as it was mentioned on this board.. not saying that I agree at all.. i am just repeating the craziness that went on these forums... as it is today in this thread to some degree...

This argument is silly... wade is a two time champion, and finals mvp.... the same way you feel about curry being mentioned in the same sentence as shaq, is pretty much what is happening here mentioning melo in the same sentence as lebron, wade, dirk, ewing, kobe, etc......

Wade balled in 2006, no doubt. True or False, Wade needed help from near his prime Shaq and a prime Lebron to gain his 2 rings?

I'm pretty sure Melo can "enter the conversation" by the end of the year, no? I'm pretty sure that's all anyone's saying here.

For the record Jamal by the numbers...

20.7ppg/52%fg/44%fg(3pt)/92%ft

Does he get disqualified because he comes off the bench?

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ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Don't go by numbers, go by watching the actual finals games which Riley switched Shaq to like the other side of the paint or something like that which forced Dallas to alter there whole game plan which they had trouble adapting to defensively and opened up Wade to be the unstoppable beast he was.

Reguardless the context of the convo was comparing Shaq that was traded to Mia to the Shaq that was traded to Cleveland since TKF stated that Shaq is an example of an elite player running to go play with Lebron. Chuck was demonstrating that Shaq wasn't elite anymore. Reguardless of even that Shaq didn't go running to play with Lebron, he didn't force the suns to trade him to Cleveland, Pheniox wanted to get rid of them and Cleveland org felt maybe he could make a difference for them in the playoffs.

I never said shaq was elite, point out where i said that.... he wasn't elite when he was with wade either... he wasn't the LA shaq in miami or cleveland.....

True or false, Shaquille O'Neal was the best center in the NBA in 2006?

True or false when the board was arguing who was the best center back in 2006,many were saying eddy curry... so the answer to your question is false..

I think most would even argue, yao ming, and duncan who was playing center, were better...

I just want to know in your heart of hearts are you trying to minimize the accomplishments of one of, if not the leagues best player that year, the finals mvp, a true 2 way player,in order to defend your position on carmelo anthony.. I ask that because so far, we have seen poster try to minimize lebron, kobe, ewing, all in an attempt to prop up carmelo... do you really see this as a logical argument.. In your heart.. forget what you feel about me, or any other poster...

LOL What?

Did you just mention Eddie Curry and Shaq in the same sentence?

Again, Google is your friend.

Eddie Curry (2006) 13.6 pts/gm, 6 reb/gm, 0.8 blk/gm on 56 FG%

vs

Shaquille O'Neal (2006) 20 pts/gm 9.2 reb/gm, 1.8 blk/gm on 60 FG%(led league in field goal percentage)

Would you care to retract your "False" statement? I'll give you another chance.

why not try reading, you are busting your pants at every attempt to try to "get one up on me"..dude I only mentioned it as it was mentioned on this board.. not saying that I agree at all.. i am just repeating the craziness that went on these forums... as it is today in this thread to some degree...

This argument is silly... wade is a two time champion, and finals mvp.... the same way you feel about curry being mentioned in the same sentence as shaq, is pretty much what is happening here mentioning melo in the same sentence as lebron, wade, dirk, ewing, kobe, etc......

Wade balled in 2006, no doubt. True or False, Wade needed help from near his prime Shaq and a prime Lebron to gain his 2 rings?

I'm pretty sure Melo can "enter the conversation" by the end of the year, no? I'm pretty sure that's all anyone's saying here.

how about lebron and shaq needing wades help, as shaq said he came to play on wade's team, and lebron said the same thing.. you see you can flip it..

As far as the bolded part, well isn't that what some of us have been saying.. it is way to premature to talk about MVP for carmelo... I mean heck chuck, by the end of the year several guys can enter that conversation, we just don't know, and this is what I have been saying all along. this early in the game you could and should include a long list of players who can be in MVP talks after 8 games(3g made a list already), it is just too early...

I agree it's way way too early.

All guys are saying is he, Carmelo, will be on the short list at year's end if Knicks sustain their play:

The current list on NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

Current Rankings
Rank Status Player
1 -- LeBron James
2 Chris Paul
3 -- Carmelo Anthony
4 Kevin Durant
5 Zach Randolph
6 James Harden
7 Tony Parker
8 Kobe Bryant
9 Rajon Rondo
10 NR Brandon Jennings

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JrZyHuStLa wrote:

3G4G wrote:Jamal Crawford is literally having the best season of his career and is on a team with a 7-2 record what would it take for his name to enter MVP discussions?

For the record Jamal by the numbers...

20.7ppg/52%fg/44%fg(3pt)/92%ft

Does he get disqualified because he comes off the bench?

He's not the best player on their team. Not even the 2nd best.

Why would he get MVP consideration?

So what you're saying is Jamal could lead the league in scoring and still not get the award because CP3 and Blake are on his team although they may not be having their best season?

He won't lead the league in scoring, let's be a little realistic here. And he's going to cool off as well, we're talking about Jamal Crawford here.

3G4G wrote:So you couldn't answer the question because ultimately it exposes the premature creation of this thread after 4gms with posters now coming to the status quo conclusion....."best player on a good team is in on wins the MVP race".....DUH! Which means a player can win it regardless what the individual stats say

Like Mase said...."PLEASE TELL ME SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW"

We have a better team and Melo's impact isn't near what the 4gm created thread is made out to be. He's in the discussion much like Elton Brand was 6yrs ago when on the Clippers....

Whoopty Doo-Daa Zippity Ehhhh Big Deal

To be honest I could care less about Melo's individual accomplishments although they have been discussed at length.... in context of his overall value as a player to other greats.

There is too much focus on what Melo can accomplish individually even pitted or made to stand apart from other players on this team. Look Amar'e was in the running 2yrs ago himself and I'm not sure where we were recordwise when the talk surfaced..maybe mid November to mid December...(still relatively premature) but there was more volume.

Just win in the Post-Season let the awards sort themselves out where they may.

I agree with the bold part completely. However, there seems to be an unwritten rule among a lot of fans ive talked to that Carmelo can be blamed when things go bad for the team but cannot be given credit when things go well.