infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

earthmansurfer wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

I did not know that injuries were allowed to be used as an excuse for poor shooting.

mrKnickShot wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

I did not know that injuries were allowed to be used as an excuse for poor shooting.

Only when discussing Lin. It's an excuse for all others.

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:lol.. bringing up the gallo trade = waving white flag.....

i don't blame you... when all else fails.. derail..

tkf, one thing I give your credit for and respect is that you are actually honest about your hate and bias. We all have hate guys and we have that right. Melo is yours and that is your right. At least you are not bullshytting and making believe you like him. "I like MELO but .............. and ............"

I actually find this refreshing and different than the others who don't like him that all sound exactly the same with the same robotic opinions.

Hate him - it is your right as a fan. You would probably hate him if he wins a ring here - it is a predisposition and again your right. How many Yankee fans hate AROD. MANY. And now that they won with him, he is still hated. I could care less for the guy.

funny thing with A-rod, as a yankee fan, I used to like him when he was with seattle.. over the past few years, I began to really dislike him.. I am not a fan of selfish guys, but the one thing I will say about A-rod in comparison here.. A-rod was a supreme talent.. I think he is more comparable to lebron in that aspect...

A-rod is not affable - Melo is (opinion)

Kobe was the most selfish player I have ever seen, did/do you hate him? Probably not since he did not derail your people. This is the one part you are not truly honest about - how much of your hate is bias due to losing Gallo and the MDA fiasco? That would explain why you have zero Amare hate and make all those excuses for his ineptitude.

I used to despise kobe, but respected him.. selfish? hmm, not so sure, if anything he was serious about winning and his work ethic was second to none.. was kobe a douchebag? most likely, but he won and that was his priority.. big difference... had we traded gallo and crew for kobe, I would have no problem.. so really saying this is about the gallo trade is not true... it is about having a player in melo on my team, that I really don't care for... and don't believe in...

Thats what I thought.

Kobe is/was an extremely selfish player. Ask Shaq or read PJax's book. Take away Shaq/Gasol and bye bye rings, then I guess he is just another selfish player without rings.

I watched Kobe in the olympics and he was un-watch-ably selfish.

your not being completely honest here. You just hate the guy and its ok.

DUDE, GET over it.. Lets be honest.. carmelo is not on the same planet as kobe, and shaq and gasol have rings because of kobe, that can easily be argued... Elite players have a bit of selfishness in them, but the key is winning. carmelo is a fat toad, he doesn't put in the work to be great, that was highlighted by his former coach george karl.. but I am sure you will find a way to make Karl a villian here... lol..

you might as well say, take away phil and pippen and MJ is another selfish player without rings.. rofl.. your logic fails..

Kobe and MJ are great, they are elite, elite players tend to win.. no excuses.. melo is a douchebag, he is selfish and on top of that he doesn't win..so he doen't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He seems to be elevated around knickland to the levels of guys like lebron and kobe, but when the comparisons come up, the excuses are.. well no one is lebron and kobe... having the cake and eating it too, I guess..

lets be real.. carmelo has never won a scoring title, yet you hear this bullcrap about him being the "best pure scorer".. lol.. what the hell is that?

He has never made first team all NBA...

never won an mvp

never been to a finals, and has the worst playoff record in NBA history among active players.. heck, maybe among inactive as well..

So No, it is just not my dislike for melo... the guy is just not that great.. so while you label it as hate, yea, I dislike him, but i am also stating facts here...

not sure what bringing kobe up does for your argument... really don't....

is kobe selfish? yes, but kobe cares about winning, he has manged to elevate guys around him.. not kill their games.... so in the end, if I had the choice between two douchebags.. give me the better one..

Kobe by a mile.. what fans need to realize is that melo is most likely closer to guys like joe johnson( who is a very good player) than he is to the dwayne wades, kobe's, durants and lebrons of the league...

lets drop this ridiculous discussion man...

Kobe aint Jordan or Lebron. You have no clue what selfish means and it is evident the way you beat around the bush in your argument.

Melo is not Kobe, he is more like Paul Pierce. Melo's numbers (Points (Kobe 25.6-Melo 24.7), FG% (Melo 45.6-Kobe 45.3), FT% (Kobe 83-Melo 80), attempts (Kobe 19.6-Melo 19.3) ...) are almost identical to Kobe, Melo averages 1 more rebound a game while Kobe averages 1.5 more assists. Kobe is the better defender and as Nalod suggests, possibly has more NASTY. Winning looks really good on his resume but you so blatantly disregard Shaq? One of the best players I have ever seen and far more dominant and efficient than Kobe? Are you insane? Shaq leaves, goes to Miami and badabing - wins a title. How interesting. Gasol/Odom/Bynum/Kobe? WHO the FUK cares! He's a proven winner!

Kobe was/is as selfish as they come - just ask his coach(es). Killing plays, quitting on his team, alienating teammates. But he was a nasty SOB and was definitely put in the right position. How many times did PJax try to get him traded? Do your homework!

Paul Pierce? KG? What did they win before joining the super-squad? Squat!

Never made first team all nba? who cares? 2nd team, 3rd team, its all good. Tyson Chandler won DPOY and HE DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM!!!

You are not sure what bringing up Kobe does to the argument because you know nothing about Kobe. I know his stats, followed him closely and read what his coach had to say about him. You are just making disconnected, silly declarations that just enhances the flaws in your position.

I never say that Melo is "the best pure scorer" blah blah blah blah - And, I don't say that about Kobe either. Durant? Lebron? Even Wade? Far better than both.

Kobe and Melo are both far less efficient than the aforementioned, and so was/is Paul Pierce. Study the numbers for once - you seem quite inhibited by facts and stats.

And once more, For the record, I don't think Melo is Durant, Wade, Lebron. He is not JJ either - that is just silly even for you. He is more in the league of PP.

Try to use stats for once in your argument (if you care to be taken seriously)

If Melo was anything close to Kobe regardless of winning he would have some personal achievements, scoring titles? All NBA? First team defense? No... none of those. Saying Melo is like Kobe is like saying Al Harrington is just as good as Melo, he just needs to shoot MORE to get the numbers. Stupid stupid stupid. Few players, if any play as hard as Kobe EVERY NIGHT. Thats why he's first team all NBA. Thats why he's first team NBA defense.

Did Kobe need Shaq or other great bigs to win? Of course, and Kobe is NOT Michael Jordan, but he's a poor man's Jordan if there is such a thing. He's not the offensive player MJ is. Volume doesnt make up for poor %, but he plays defense and he passes and knows how to win. Still waiting for our star to figure those things out.

When Melo plays hard on defense and plays well for 82 games and wins first or second all NBA defense I will buy his jersey and declare him the best Knick since Ewing and start a thread telling everyone how wrong I was about this guy.

But he wont, because he loafs on offense and he loafs on defense. IF he's not featured he pouts. He defends for a week after he's made fun of then goes back to loafing.

When Melo wins any defense award come back to me with Kobe =

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:lol.. bringing up the gallo trade = waving white flag.....

i don't blame you... when all else fails.. derail..

tkf, one thing I give your credit for and respect is that you are actually honest about your hate and bias. We all have hate guys and we have that right. Melo is yours and that is your right. At least you are not bullshytting and making believe you like him. "I like MELO but .............. and ............"

I actually find this refreshing and different than the others who don't like him that all sound exactly the same with the same robotic opinions.

Hate him - it is your right as a fan. You would probably hate him if he wins a ring here - it is a predisposition and again your right. How many Yankee fans hate AROD. MANY. And now that they won with him, he is still hated. I could care less for the guy.

funny thing with A-rod, as a yankee fan, I used to like him when he was with seattle.. over the past few years, I began to really dislike him.. I am not a fan of selfish guys, but the one thing I will say about A-rod in comparison here.. A-rod was a supreme talent.. I think he is more comparable to lebron in that aspect...

A-rod is not affable - Melo is (opinion)

Kobe was the most selfish player I have ever seen, did/do you hate him? Probably not since he did not derail your people. This is the one part you are not truly honest about - how much of your hate is bias due to losing Gallo and the MDA fiasco? That would explain why you have zero Amare hate and make all those excuses for his ineptitude.

I used to despise kobe, but respected him.. selfish? hmm, not so sure, if anything he was serious about winning and his work ethic was second to none.. was kobe a douchebag? most likely, but he won and that was his priority.. big difference... had we traded gallo and crew for kobe, I would have no problem.. so really saying this is about the gallo trade is not true... it is about having a player in melo on my team, that I really don't care for... and don't believe in...

Thats what I thought.

Kobe is/was an extremely selfish player. Ask Shaq or read PJax's book. Take away Shaq/Gasol and bye bye rings, then I guess he is just another selfish player without rings.

I watched Kobe in the olympics and he was un-watch-ably selfish.

your not being completely honest here. You just hate the guy and its ok.

DUDE, GET over it.. Lets be honest.. carmelo is not on the same planet as kobe, and shaq and gasol have rings because of kobe, that can easily be argued... Elite players have a bit of selfishness in them, but the key is winning. carmelo is a fat toad, he doesn't put in the work to be great, that was highlighted by his former coach george karl.. but I am sure you will find a way to make Karl a villian here... lol..

you might as well say, take away phil and pippen and MJ is another selfish player without rings.. rofl.. your logic fails..

Kobe and MJ are great, they are elite, elite players tend to win.. no excuses.. melo is a douchebag, he is selfish and on top of that he doesn't win..so he doen't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He seems to be elevated around knickland to the levels of guys like lebron and kobe, but when the comparisons come up, the excuses are.. well no one is lebron and kobe... having the cake and eating it too, I guess..

lets be real.. carmelo has never won a scoring title, yet you hear this bullcrap about him being the "best pure scorer".. lol.. what the hell is that?

He has never made first team all NBA...

never won an mvp

never been to a finals, and has the worst playoff record in NBA history among active players.. heck, maybe among inactive as well..

So No, it is just not my dislike for melo... the guy is just not that great.. so while you label it as hate, yea, I dislike him, but i am also stating facts here...

not sure what bringing kobe up does for your argument... really don't....

is kobe selfish? yes, but kobe cares about winning, he has manged to elevate guys around him.. not kill their games.... so in the end, if I had the choice between two douchebags.. give me the better one..

Kobe by a mile.. what fans need to realize is that melo is most likely closer to guys like joe johnson( who is a very good player) than he is to the dwayne wades, kobe's, durants and lebrons of the league...

lets drop this ridiculous discussion man...

Kobe aint Jordan or Lebron. You have no clue what selfish means and it is evident the way you beat around the bush in your argument.

Melo is not Kobe, he is more like Paul Pierce. Melo's numbers (Points (Kobe 25.6-Melo 24.7), FG% (Melo 45.6-Kobe 45.3), FT% (Kobe 83-Melo 80), attempts (Kobe 19.6-Melo 19.3) ...) are almost identical to Kobe, Melo averages 1 more rebound a game while Kobe averages 1.5 more assists. Kobe is the better defender and as Nalod suggests, possibly has more NASTY. Winning looks really good on his resume but you so blatantly disregard Shaq? One of the best players I have ever seen and far more dominant and efficient than Kobe? Are you insane? Shaq leaves, goes to Miami and badabing - wins a title. How interesting. Gasol/Odom/Bynum/Kobe? WHO the FUK cares! He's a proven winner!

Kobe was/is as selfish as they come - just ask his coach(es). Killing plays, quitting on his team, alienating teammates. But he was a nasty SOB and was definitely put in the right position. How many times did PJax try to get him traded? Do your homework!

Paul Pierce? KG? What did they win before joining the super-squad? Squat!

Never made first team all nba? who cares? 2nd team, 3rd team, its all good. Tyson Chandler won DPOY and HE DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE ALL DEFENSIVE TEAM!!!

You are not sure what bringing up Kobe does to the argument because you know nothing about Kobe. I know his stats, followed him closely and read what his coach had to say about him. You are just making disconnected, silly declarations that just enhances the flaws in your position.

I never say that Melo is "the best pure scorer" blah blah blah blah - And, I don't say that about Kobe either. Durant? Lebron? Even Wade? Far better than both.

Kobe and Melo are both far less efficient than the aforementioned, and so was/is Paul Pierce. Study the numbers for once - you seem quite inhibited by facts and stats.

And once more, For the record, I don't think Melo is Durant, Wade, Lebron. He is not JJ either - that is just silly even for you. He is more in the league of PP.

Try to use stats for once in your argument (if you care to be taken seriously)

Kobe... first team NBA, first team defense, every year. Melo? Made 2nd team NBA like twice? How many years has Kobe been first team defense, but yea... he's a selfish player.

If Melo was anything close to Kobe regardless of winning he would have some personal achievements, scoring titles? All NBA? First team defense? No... none of those. Saying Melo is like Kobe is like saying Al Harrington is just as good as Melo, he just needs to shoot MORE to get the numbers. Stupid stupid stupid. Few players, if any play as hard as Kobe EVERY NIGHT. Thats why he's first team all NBA. Thats why he's first team NBA defense.

Did Kobe need Shaq or other great bigs to win? Of course, and Kobe is NOT Michael Jordan, but he's a poor man's Jordan if there is such a thing. He's not the offensive player MJ is. Volume doesnt make up for poor %, but he plays defense and he passes and knows how to win. Still waiting for our star to figure those things out.

When Melo plays hard on defense and plays well for 82 games and wins first or second all NBA defense I will buy his jersey and declare him the best Knick since Ewing and start a thread telling everyone how wrong I was about this guy.

But he wont, because he loafs on offense and he loafs on defense. IF he's not featured he pouts. He defends for a week after he's made fun of then goes back to loafing.

When Melo wins any defense award come back to me with Kobe =

You obviously did not read my post or just did not comprehend. And, you know nothing about Kobe - talk about pouting when he doesn't get the ball? Breaking Plays? Cancerous? Selfish? Just ask his coach.

If Kobe is a poor mans jordan then Al buckets is a poor mans barkley. Stupid!

Its all in the stats - take a look.

Melo is NOT Kobe and if you cared to read my post ...

And again, if the DPOY does not make the all defensive first team than obviously, these accolades show less importance.

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

He injured his knee in the Dallas game but he didn't tear his meniscus. Had he torn his meniscus in that game he would have been shut down after the game. He played 11 more games after the Dallas game.

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

He injured his knee in the Dallas game but he didn't tear his meniscus. Had he torn his meniscus in that game he would have been shut down after the game. He played 11 more games after the Dallas game.

Says who? Plenty of players have played with torn menisci.

Name them.

muhaha wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

He injured his knee in the Dallas game but he didn't tear his meniscus. Had he torn his meniscus in that game he would have been shut down after the game. He played 11 more games after the Dallas game.

Says who? Plenty of players have played with torn menisci.

Name them.

Bynum torn his meniscus in first round game 6 against Thunders 2010. He postponed his surgery and played 16 more grueling playoff games and Lakers went on and won the championship that year.

So Lin could have played but opted for surgery?

CashMoney wrote:

muhaha wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

He injured his knee in the Dallas game but he didn't tear his meniscus. Had he torn his meniscus in that game he would have been shut down after the game. He played 11 more games after the Dallas game.

Says who? Plenty of players have played with torn menisci.

Name them.

Bynum torn his meniscus in first round game 6 against Thunders 2010. He postponed his surgery and played 16 more grueling playoff games and Lakers went on and won the championship that year.

So Lin could have played but opted for surgery?

With some players they can play. Lin apparently was playing with discomfort but then it was locking his knee and he said he couldn't cut. If a player depends on speed and quickness like Lin somewhat does, it kills their game. A big like Bynum (with endless knee problems, serious ones) is not as affected and probably has huge pressure to just get out there.

Anway, let's stop derailing this into a personal thing. Dolan was stupid for letting Lin go. Stay on track guys.

muhaha wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

muhaha wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

infinitilov100 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Lin as a starter last year was at what 18.9pts 8.8assists 44% FG. Felton's career 11 and 5 @40% & 30% from 3. Hmmmm

Lin's numbers diminished each game and no matter how many stats are presented, the truth is that Felton is a better floor general than Lin and a much better fit for this team. That's all that matters.

Lin had very good numbers up to the Dallas game, where he injured his knee meniscus by all accounts. Things tailed off after that, and not just with his stats - you could see he couldn't cut as well, lost some speed, etc.

To blindly say his numbers diminished each game without looking into it misses the point.

He injured his knee in the Dallas game but he didn't tear his meniscus. Had he torn his meniscus in that game he would have been shut down after the game. He played 11 more games after the Dallas game.

Says who? Plenty of players have played with torn menisci.

Name them.

Bynum torn his meniscus in first round game 6 against Thunders 2010. He postponed his surgery and played 16 more grueling playoff games and Lakers went on and won the championship that year.

So Lin could have played but opted for surgery?

Really dude....stop asking this kind of silly question. Go ask Knicks team physician who examined him!

“Jeremy had a great 15 or 20 games when he played. Those were some pretty phenomenal games and what he did out there was … you can't take nothing from him, so the hype was well-deserved. I mean he really played well for us and he put us back in the playoff mind frame. It was great to watch.”

How long before Amare is reprimanded behind closed doors for speaking about jeremy lin?