fishmike wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo2NYK, you are wasting your time on this one... these guys have it set in their mind that bringing Melo here is not worth the risk (what they percieve it would take for us to get him)... nothing u can much do to change their minds no matter what kind of argument you present... it's the same as them trying to convince us that bringing Melo here wouldn't be an upgrade... just let both sides agree to disagree & see how things pan out... for what it's worth i think you have presented a very good argument on this topic & i agree with you on all points

just to pick everyone's brain who is open to the idea of trading for Melo, how much would you all be willing to give up in a trade? my limit would be 2 players out of Wilson/Gallo/AR along with filler contracts like Curry, Buike, Mason &/or Mozgov, our 2nd round picks & maybe a purchased 1st rounder or cash considerations... that would still leave a very good surrounding cast for Melo & Amare to play with:

C - Turiaf / Mozgov or an Earl Barron-esque type signing for depth
PF - Amare / 1 of Wilson-Gallo-AR
SF - Melo / Williams
SG - Fields / Rautins or Mason
PG - Felton / Douglas

personally i think that's plenty enough to contend for the Finals THIS year, at the very least get past the 1st round of the playoffs... maybe not enough to beat the Lakers just yet, but maybe add another C next year using the MLE & u can stack up pretty well against any team... add Melo & we're very close to becoming a legit title contender IMHO.

LOL, TMS. I wish you would have told me that 40 posts ago, LOL. But the debate was fun especially since I'm so new here. I can't wait for us to be right though! lol.

And I agree with you, what you listed is plenty enough to contend for the Finals. We obviously won't make it but we'd get close and that would be a hell of a start considering where we were last season and the flexibility we will retain to improve for next season. For this season, I think alot of it would depend on how well Azubuike comes back and plays and whether Douglas can become more consistent but adding Melo alone would put us into the Orlando Magic stratosphere.

awww!!! you guys made friends! <<<<<<<hugs>>>>>>>

Melo... if we are getting Melo for pennies on the dollar as you suggest its a no brainer, and I have ALWAYS said we should do that. Its not even a debate.

Also I have said no matter what the trade was if Walsh got Melo here I would embrace him as Knick bigtime instead of crying after every 7-20 shooting game and saying we should have kept Gallo, bla bla

ALSO I have said one thing I would LOVE about Melo is he wants to come to NY, something pussies like LBJ clearly cant stomach.

Finally I do think we have a very good team and the upside for all Fields/Gallo/Chandler (all 22) is very high, and these guys could grow into a very solid core along with Amare/Felton. Possibly even elite... just keep developing our bigs.

What I DONT think we should do is make a reasonable offer for Melo... something like Chandler/Fields/Gallo/Curry. Something that would compete w/ the Nets offer. Its not worth it. (to me)

I am with you fish, I would take him, but not at the potential asking price.. and believe me, it is going to be hefty...

Also I have said no matter what the trade was if Walsh got Melo here I would embrace him as Knick bigtime instead of crying after every 7-20 shooting game and saying we should have kept Gallo, bla bla

oh and believe me, those nights will be a given, and these same people that begged for us to get melo will be eating him alive...

I think melo is a great scorer, but I feel he is getting vastly overrated on these boards, partly because A) he is somewhat available and, B) He said he wants to join the knicks.....

fishmike wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:Melo2NYK, you are wasting your time on this one... these guys have it set in their mind that bringing Melo here is not worth the risk (what they percieve it would take for us to get him)... nothing u can much do to change their minds no matter what kind of argument you present... it's the same as them trying to convince us that bringing Melo here wouldn't be an upgrade... just let both sides agree to disagree & see how things pan out... for what it's worth i think you have presented a very good argument on this topic & i agree with you on all points

just to pick everyone's brain who is open to the idea of trading for Melo, how much would you all be willing to give up in a trade? my limit would be 2 players out of Wilson/Gallo/AR along with filler contracts like Curry, Buike, Mason &/or Mozgov, our 2nd round picks & maybe a purchased 1st rounder or cash considerations... that would still leave a very good surrounding cast for Melo & Amare to play with:

C - Turiaf / Mozgov or an Earl Barron-esque type signing for depth
PF - Amare / 1 of Wilson-Gallo-AR
SF - Melo / Williams
SG - Fields / Rautins or Mason
PG - Felton / Douglas

personally i think that's plenty enough to contend for the Finals THIS year, at the very least get past the 1st round of the playoffs... maybe not enough to beat the Lakers just yet, but maybe add another C next year using the MLE & u can stack up pretty well against any team... add Melo & we're very close to becoming a legit title contender IMHO.

LOL, TMS. I wish you would have told me that 40 posts ago, LOL. But the debate was fun especially since I'm so new here. I can't wait for us to be right though! lol.

And I agree with you, what you listed is plenty enough to contend for the Finals. We obviously won't make it but we'd get close and that would be a hell of a start considering where we were last season and the flexibility we will retain to improve for next season. For this season, I think alot of it would depend on how well Azubuike comes back and plays and whether Douglas can become more consistent but adding Melo alone would put us into the Orlando Magic stratosphere.

awww!!! you guys made friends! <<<<<<<hugs>>>>>>>

Melo... if we are getting Melo for pennies on the dollar as you suggest its a no brainer, and I have ALWAYS said we should do that. Its not even a debate.

Also I have said no matter what the trade was if Walsh got Melo here I would embrace him as Knick bigtime instead of crying after every 7-20 shooting game and saying we should have kept Gallo, bla bla

ALSO I have said one thing I would LOVE about Melo is he wants to come to NY, something pussies like LBJ clearly cant stomach.

Finally I do think we have a very good team and the upside for all Fields/Gallo/Chandler (all 22) is very high, and these guys could grow into a very solid core along with Amare/Felton. Possibly even elite... just keep developing our bigs.

What I DONT think we should do is make a reasonable offer for Melo... something like Chandler/Fields/Gallo/Curry. Something that would compete w/ the Nets offer. Its not worth it. (to me)

no, actually you've repeated about 97 different times on various threads that you wouldn't give up 2 players out of the Gallo/Wilson/AR trio for Melo like i suggested above.

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:Exactly, "we are talking about how to improve and established team." Last time I checked, DRAFTS along with free agent signings and trades are the only 3 options of doing so. So what exactly are you talking about? Even if you want to discredit that example, I supplied you with yet another example of the flaws in your thinking when I submited the Caron Butler for Kwame Brown trade. The Lakers needed a big man and gave up on a talented and productive player to get an eventual nomad. The situation with the Knicks is a bit different. You instead want to avoid pursuing Melo for the prospect of a 36 year old Marcus Camby, or an above average Nene, or to simply bring in Nazr Mohammed's mediocre game. I want those players too but have the common sense to realize that they will not help this team more than Melo because history has confirmed this. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Your argument is pure insanity.

P.S., you made another dense argument suggesting that Melo would make the Heat better because he is a better player than Bosh, etc. This game is a game of fits and playing a role. I guess you forgot the part about Melo playing the same position as Gallo (the 3) and that Melo is better at fulfilling every aspect of the role.

no its not.... you just explained to me its a game of talent over need. So which is it? A game of fits and playing a role or a game of talent?

Did I say Kwame for Caron was a good trade? Why do you bring up stupid examples and assume I would think this way.

You foiled your own arguement and supported mine.

As you said its a game of fits and playing a role. Melo plays a very important one and he's a great player. Problem is that role and fit is just fine on the Knicks right now.

I would have traded 5 first rounders and every player I had to put Melo next to Ewing for 10 years. That would have been a great fit.

Melo on this team? Chandler/Fields/Gallo are arent garbage. They are all very good high end rotation guys who are winning games. ALL the Knick offensive stats support this, but you simply avoid and refuse to acknowledge that the Knicks are just fine in all the categories Melo brings.

Would I add Camby or Nene or Nazr? Sure... for Bill Walker. I'm not trading Gallo/Chandler/AR and picks for those guys, which is what a Melo trade would command which isnt worth it.

Hold on there speedy. Please find me exactly where I said that fits don't matter. I thought it could be assumed that Melo was a fit....mostly because of the fact that he is a fit and that it is clear as day. Our team is in desperate need of a consistent 20ppg scorer that shoots better than Gallo's pathetic 39%. We need a guy that not only can hit jump shots but be a dynamic perimeter scorer; the kind of scorer Gallo will never be.

I agree that Chandler/Fields/Gallo isn't garbage. I'm also not advocating getting rid of all 3, just Gallo (and AR/Walker). Wilson Chandler is the ideal 6th man for this team as a backup to both Melo and Amar'e. There are 96mpg in total at the forward positions. Amar'e and Melo would account for only 64-70 of those minutes per game. That would still leave Chandler playing anywhere between 26mpg-32mpg, which is what he is getting anyway and you'd still have Shawne Williams there for spot duty. Fields, last time I checked, is playing the 2 spot for us exclusively. Last I checked, adding Melo won't do a thing to disrupt this. In fact, I think Melo would make Fields significantly better since he commands so much attention on the court.

because when I said I would prefer to target a big defensive frontcourt player because that is what this team LACKS the most and NEEDs the most instead of an offensive player that Melo is you started with all this crap about I'm the kind of guy who draft Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan (what the hell was that??).

Fits DO matter, which is EXACTLY why Melo is a LOW priority for me. RIGHT NOW we are an elite offensive team. We get GREAT balance from Gallo/Chandler/Fields to compliment Amare who takes over games and is unstoppable as well as Felton who has brought his offensive game to another level.

Would I trade Melo for Curry and GAllo? Of course. Who wouldnt. Thats not realistic. That trade isnt anything close to what the Nets are offering in Favors, Harris and picks. For the Knicks to come close to that package we are STARTING at GAllo/Chandler/Fields (because we have no picks) and Curry. If you think its going to cost less your kidding yourself.

Is Melo a great player? You seem to think so. If he is why the phuck would Denver take just Gallo and AR for him. Would you do that? You say yes I say your lying. OIf course you wouldnt.

Nobody is talking about trading MElo for Gallo. If you think thats the cost your joking.

Go through this thread. Most of the pro-Melo guys are basically saying that Melo+Amare+Felton = elite team. I am saying it doesnt because we dont have the size or depth and wounldnt for years if we gutted this roster to make that trade.

Is Walsh gets Melo for Curry+Gallo he's a freakin genious. You think thats happening? PLEASE

Fish, it depends on what your goals/prioties are for this team. You say This Current team needs a Big. Absolutely, we do. But, adding a big makes a little better, perhaps 5th in the East but still far from contending for a title. Now if your priority is to be a bonafied championship contender, then we absolutely need Melo in the blue and orange.

Just like the Amare and Lee debates. Lee put up similar numbers in terms of scoring average, but as you can see, Amare's impact is huge and cant be added up with numbers. Same with Melo. His impact would be huge and he would make Amare even better than he is now, not toe mention Felton all of a sudden becomes the third option, Wil the 4th etc. Melo also gives us a go to perimeter player when we absolutely have to have a basket in a tight playoff game when the everything slows down a bit.

I think we sold this team low enough........

Think we are better then most peeps realize

Knicks offer: Chandler/AR/Curry/2nd rounders or Gallo/AR/Curry/2nd rounders

Nets offer: Devin Harris, Favors, 1st rounders

??

Haven't we read multiple times that Denver is not interested in any of the Knicks players?

The only way Denver will trade him to the Knicks is if Melo pretty much says I will only extend with the Knicks. If that's the case....don't we have them by the balls?

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:If you were Denver management and Melo came to you and said "Trade me. I'm willing to extend with these 5 teams", would you want to take what the Knicks are offering over say what the Nets package would be?

Knicks offer: Chandler/AR/Curry/2nd rounders or Gallo/AR/Curry/2nd rounders

Nets offer: Devin Harris, Favors, 1st rounders

??

Haven't we read multiple times that Denver is not interested in any of the Knicks players?

The only way Denver will trade him to the Knicks is if Melo pretty much says I will only extend with the Knicks. If that's the case....don't we have them by the balls?

5) I think Caremelo would cost us Gallo, Landry and Chandler two to Denver and one traded for a pick.

There are many here who think you then have 2 stars in Melo/Amare and a good PG in Felton and the rest will just fall into place. It takes a year to get a player has good as Gallo or Chandler or Fields. You dont just "go get" those guys to fill needs. Its insane to suggest thats possible.

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:just to pick everyone's brain who is open to the idea of trading for Melo, how much would you all be willing to give up in a trade? my limit would be 2 players out of Wilson/Gallo/AR along with filler contracts like Curry, Buike, Mason &/or Mozgov, our 2nd round picks & maybe a purchased 1st rounder or cash considerations... that would still leave a very good surrounding cast for Melo & Amare to play with:

C - Turiaf / Mozgov or an Earl Barron-esque type signing for depth
PF - Amare / 1 of Wilson-Gallo-AR
SF - Melo / Williams
SG - Fields / Rautins or Mason
PG - Felton / Douglas

personally i think that's plenty enough to contend for the Finals THIS year, at the very least get past the 1st round of the playoffs... maybe not enough to beat the Lakers just yet, but maybe add another C next year using the MLE & u can stack up pretty well against any team... add Melo & we're very close to becoming a legit title contender IMHO.

Wilson, AR, Curry and picks isn't too much IMO for Melo. I don't think they'd want Gallo, which is why I chose Chan. That kind of deal I would sign up for and I suspect many others wouldn't have a problem with this either. Will Denver cave in to this deal, since the only other option is NJ and Melo prefers NY? I think in the end they'd have to.

Papabear Says

Would Denver trade Mello to any other team in spite of us just because they know Mello wants to come here? In other words to put the screws to us for this season playoff run?

fishmike wrote:throwing in AR really changess the package? Dude cant get off the bench. Nobody in the NBA cares about Randolph. Knicks arent impressed with him right now, why would the Nuggets?

5) I think Caremelo would cost us Gallo, Landry and Chandler two to Denver and one traded for a pick.

oldfan.. I agree 100%, and thats a fair package all things being equal. I have ZERO desire or willingness to make that trade. Bad move by the Knicks.

There are many here who think you then have 2 stars in Melo/Amare and a good PG in Felton and the rest will just fall into place. It takes a year to get a player has good as Gallo or Chandler or Fields. You dont just "go get" those guys to fill needs. Its insane to suggest thats possible.

what possible reason do you have to even think that DW would gut the entire roster in order to bring Melo to NY? what posters on this forum are in support of the idea that we give up every single young asset we have to bring Melo here? & if u think AR lacks any value then why are you so adamantly against trading Gallo & AR for Melo in a deal? or have you since changed ur mind on this since yesterday?

Mello knows that limiting yourself to one team is not the way to get the best possible deal.

It's very unlikely the Knicks are going to get Melo for 50 cents on the dollar.

OldFan wrote:Denver knows Mello has pressure on him not to become a free agent because he likely loses money with a new agreement or a lock out.

Mello knows that limiting yourself to one team is not the way to get the best possible deal.

It's very unlikely the Knicks are going to get Melo for 50 cents on the dollar.

You do realize that no one gets paid during a lockout, even if Melo signs an extension?

It's not the lockout that Melo fears. It's the possibility that max contracts will be lowered in the new CBA. But several reports, including the one from Ken Berger, have stated that Melo is willing to take that chance and take this all the way to FA. If that's the case, it tells us that going to the team of his choice is more of a priority than getting his extension. Knicks might not be the only team on his list (Bulls are likely there), but we do know that Knicks are at the top of it.