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Hank
Posts: 20109 Alba Posts: 21 Joined: 7/1/2008 Member: #2082 |
![]() Imho they are going to have to go back 5 years+ and seek out all the principles in every facet who helped create this absolute disaster and go after their bank accounts and seek indictments with some hard time attached. This was a massive larceny and heads HAVE to roll. There was a front page article in the New Haven Register about how multiple law enforcement agencies finally tracked down guy who stole 3400 dollars in a bogus ticket sale scheme. This dumb MFer will get 5 years and the people who stole a trillion dollars will be sipping Pina Colada's in the Caribbean. And all that police work that went into catching the 3k dollar bandit--guess what--it will cost each cop roughly 1,000 of their own money to pay for the wreck. Not their fault but shows the system can be brutally wrong. The one good thing that will come out of this is that we will have regulation by stangulation to prevent utter chaos. I am sure everyone wants to blame someone for this financial crisis, but I believe it's more of a systemic problem. As in, why were there so many risky mortgage loans made and why did these financial companies choose to hold so many of these risky loans? One reason is, there are public traded companies. They need to perform at the same level as other in the same industry to appease stockholders. If Goldman Sachs is doing better than Morgan Stanley, the board of directors are hounding at the CEO, asking why Goldman Sachs are performing better now, rather than asking would they perform better in a year or two? So Morgan Stanley would analyze and mimic Goldman Sachs strategy, so that their performance will be similar. This is a reason why a multiple, not a few, of investment banks are doing poorly at the same time. This probably would explain why industries usually perform good or bad during the same time, like GM, Ford, and Daimlyer-Chrysler. This is just my two cents, with no real backing sources except from taking notes in my international finance class. The professor made the point that many investors follow a herding strategy (found in many studies), as in they find strength and comfort in numbers. So let's say, if X's portfolio is doing poorly, X can say Y's and Z's are performing poorly, and that the general market is just performing badly. And when the good times come, X may not be performing as Y or Z, but X can say at least "I am not going to get fired for helping the company make money." "It almost as if Bonn is relying on techniques he has learned for academic debates."
"I can pay someone to find a statistic that will prove cloudy days cause stock market crashes." -Silverfuel
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Hank
Posts: 20109 Alba Posts: 21 Joined: 7/1/2008 Member: #2082 |
![]() More about who should be held accountable:
http://www.johntreed.com/subprime.html Supply and demand "It almost as if Bonn is relying on techniques he has learned for academic debates."
"I can pay someone to find a statistic that will prove cloudy days cause stock market crashes." -Silverfuel
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
![]() Hank,
Lots of very good and valid reasons. Here's another put forth by John Mauldin, who I started reading a few months ago. He is very insightful and knowledgable. As President Bush said today, it does not help to find who is at fault today, we have to figure out how to get out of this mess. It is going to cost the taxpayers a lot of money. While I think the losses on AIG will be rather minor in the grand scheme of things, if you add up Fannie and Freddie and a new RTC, coupled with the stimulus package, you can easily get to $500 billion, and that is probably a low number.http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/gateway.asp So the 5 largest investment banks were given the ability to leverage up to 40 to 1. That's a lot of money and risk. But as all banks do, they put their available money into loans so they could earn interest. The underlying cause of this financial mess goes to the SEC under the administration of the present President. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
Tom Clancy - author
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Silverfuel
Posts: 31750 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 6/27/2002 Member: #268 USA |
![]() ABC Panel takes McCain apart.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
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Hank
Posts: 20109 Alba Posts: 21 Joined: 7/1/2008 Member: #2082 |
![]() Article exposes corrupt ties between top executives of Fannie Mae and congressmen.
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/john-steele-gordon-on-the-financial-mess-greed-stupidity-delusion-and-some-more-greed/ Greed, Stupidity, Delusion — and Some More Greed [Edited by - hank on 09-22-2008 7:03 PM] "It almost as if Bonn is relying on techniques he has learned for academic debates."
"I can pay someone to find a statistic that will prove cloudy days cause stock market crashes." -Silverfuel
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djsunyc
Posts: 44929 Alba Posts: 42 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #536 |
![]() bill clinton is a straight up PLAY-YA...
Bill Clinton says Dems shouldn't attack Palin |
sebstar
Posts: 25698 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 6/2/2002 Member: #249 USA |
![]() Posted by djsunyc: Snake ass Billy Bob Clinton. Clintons are worthless. My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
--Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
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djsunyc
Posts: 44929 Alba Posts: 42 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #536 |
![]() Posted by sebstar: he's just getting his mack on...don't playa hate... ![]() |
sebstar
Posts: 25698 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 6/2/2002 Member: #249 USA |
![]() Posted by djsunyc:Posted by sebstar: why does every time Billy Bob want a piece, he literally has to take the whole world down with him in the process. ![]() My saliva and spit can split thread into fiber and bits/ So trust me I'm as live as it gets.
--Royce Da 5'9 + DJ Premier = Hip Hop Utopia
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() Obama 52, McSame 43
http://www.washingtonpost.com Obama Has Clear Lead Over McCain in Poll [Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-24-2008 06:30 AM] |
TheGame
Posts: 26637 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/15/2006 Member: #1154 USA |
![]() I hope his lead grows. Obama should be up by 65% given the state of this country.
Trust the Process
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Bippity10
Posts: 13999 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/26/2004 Member: #574 |
![]() Posted by Hank: I think people have to realize that Republicans and Democrats alike are exactly like all the rich that we seem to hate so much. This is why you should not be beholden to a party. None of them are working for you. I just hope that people will like me
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
![]() Independants stand together baby!
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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Cookdcokehop
Posts: 22452 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 3/25/2005 Member: #880 USA |
![]() Sarah Palin is a Hot MILF and a inspirational Motherly figure. Republicans will get more votes just based on that. I just find it funny how as soon as Obama announces Biden as his VP and not Hillary Clinton, the republicans got get Sarah Palin. Politics is so much strategic bull****. A politician would kill his on mother to get into office. This is how I feel...Fuck Obama and McCain! Some people just don't realize how ugly America really is.
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izybx
Posts: 22366 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 10/16/2006 Member: #1178 USA |
![]() Posted by Cookdcokehop: Good post. Politics make me sick Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
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Allanfan20
Posts: 35947 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #542 USA |
![]() ^I concur.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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Andrew
Posts: 26600 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #1 USA |
![]() Posted by Allanfan20: Does anyone else find this very funny? PURE KNICKS LOVE
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Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() Posted by Cookdcokehop:So you cite something pathetic that McCain did (choose his VP choice as a response to Obama's decision) and nothing negative about Obama and then conclude screw them *both*!? I think I'm missing something. |
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() Posted by Andrew:Posted by Allanfan20: I didn't at first but now I do! Good catch! |