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4/12/2007  4:39 PM
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Whitlock is lost. He said the Duke players were soccer players. Bip, he is indeed a bad journalist.

That's what they call it in Europe. They call soccer, football and they call Lacrosse, soccer. He's just speaking European
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4/12/2007  4:43 PM
CBS/Westwood One fired Don Imus. He is no longer on the fan.
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He was fired during the WFAN radiothron and Mike Francesa had to announce it.
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Imus talks a lot of smack all the time; You can go back to just about any broadcast during his career and find something offensive. That's just how it is w/ this train of thought comedy - he rambles, he keeps people amused by what he says off the top of his head, and you move on.

Did he go too far this time? Yes. No doubt.

Does anyone really think he meant to be offensive/insensitive? I don't. I don't think he put a lot of thought into that remark, and now he's being crucified for it.

Activists might say that the fact he even had that thought is disgusting enough. Yep. There's no dispute that it was an offensive comment. But is the punishment befitting of the crime? Losing his job... never to be heard from again?

I think a much better solution would be for him to do some form of community service to prove that he's not such a bad dude... and for the black community to forgive him.

It'll take a bit of backing down from the anti-Christian Reverend Al Sharpton, though. I'm not a particularly religious person at this point in my life, but I was raised Catholic, went to religion class, the whole nine yards.
What I did learn, however, is that the essential belief of Christianity is forgiveness. You sin, you repent and do your penance, then you're in the clear.

As a Christian, you should be mentally programmed to give sympathy for those suffering. Imus caused a lot of hurt and offended many. Now the tide has turned. Imus is feeling a lot of hurt. He apologized, but it's not enough - nothing short of him giving up his livelihood is enough. But when you stop punishing him for a comment he made in jest?

Looking back at the transcript, it's technically one of his cronies that's feeding him the lines and he's just repeating them.

People make mistakes... and beyond life and death circumstances, they should be given a chance to make things right. This is a great opportunity for civil rights leaders to take a leadership role and end this madness.






Posted by MattSuspect:

Hi All,

I don't post much, but something like this really gets me. I admittingly grew up listening to Imus so I am biased. That being said, isn't it absurd that we are judging this man on a throwaway line where he lamely attempted to sound "ghetto" on a comedy show. Imus has been one of the most unsung philantrhopists in the last 10 years. He raises millions of dollars for SIDS/Pediatric Cancer research, while throwing his own money behind his Ranch and donations for terminal children. As far as race relations, Imus introduced and supported Barrack Obama in 2004, being one of the first to give him a national stage (before the democratic convention), he turned many listeners on to him, and in fact if Barrack gets through in 08, it will be the first time I vote. He has also been unwavering in his support of Harold Ford Jr. It seems absurd to me that 30 years (ok probably 15 years) of good are erased by some dumb joke. And to empower a jerk like Al Sharpton even one bit just piles atop the absurdity. The media has blown this out of proportion and a man who has done more singlehandedly to better society than 99% of public figures is being crucified for it. I guess my summary is, isn't there a point where we give someone a break because of his overall affect on the greater good of society? That a bad offensive joke by a comedian shouldn't destroy him? And where does one draw the line? As an american culture we seem to be pushing back the line on things we can not say or do. Our rights are being limited every year, and this just adds to it.

(sorry for rambling)

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4/12/2007  4:53 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Imus talks a lot of smack all the time; You can go back to just about any broadcast during his career and find something offensive. That's just how it is w/ this train of thought comedy - he rambles, he keeps people amused by what he says off the top of his head, and you move on.

Did he go too far this time? Yes. No doubt.

Does anyone really think he meant to be offensive/insensitive? I don't. I don't think he put a lot of thought into that remark, and now he's being crucified for it.

Activists might say that the fact he even had that thought is disgusting enough. Yep. There's no dispute that it was an offensive comment. But is the punishment befitting of the crime? Losing his job... never to be heard from again?

I think a much better solution would be for him to do some form of community service to prove that he's not such a bad dude... and for the black community to forgive him.

It'll take a bit of backing down from the anti-Christian Reverend Al Sharpton, though. I'm not a particularly religious person at this point in my life, but I was raised Catholic, went to religion class, the whole nine yards.
What I did learn, however, is that the essential belief of Christianity is forgiveness. You sin, you repent and do your penance, then you're in the clear.

As a Christian, you should be mentally programmed to give sympathy for those suffering. Imus caused a lot of hurt and offended many. Now the tide has turned. Imus is feeling a lot of hurt. He apologized, but it's not enough - nothing short of him giving up his livelihood is enough. But when you stop punishing him for a comment he made in jest?

Looking back at the transcript, it's technically one of his cronies that's feeding him the lines and he's just repeating them.

People make mistakes... and beyond life and death circumstances, they should be given a chance to make things right. This is a great opportunity for civil rights leaders to take a leadership role and end this madness.






Posted by MattSuspect:

Hi All,

I don't post much, but something like this really gets me. I admittingly grew up listening to Imus so I am biased. That being said, isn't it absurd that we are judging this man on a throwaway line where he lamely attempted to sound "ghetto" on a comedy show. Imus has been one of the most unsung philantrhopists in the last 10 years. He raises millions of dollars for SIDS/Pediatric Cancer research, while throwing his own money behind his Ranch and donations for terminal children. As far as race relations, Imus introduced and supported Barrack Obama in 2004, being one of the first to give him a national stage (before the democratic convention), he turned many listeners on to him, and in fact if Barrack gets through in 08, it will be the first time I vote. He has also been unwavering in his support of Harold Ford Jr. It seems absurd to me that 30 years (ok probably 15 years) of good are erased by some dumb joke. And to empower a jerk like Al Sharpton even one bit just piles atop the absurdity. The media has blown this out of proportion and a man who has done more singlehandedly to better society than 99% of public figures is being crucified for it. I guess my summary is, isn't there a point where we give someone a break because of his overall affect on the greater good of society? That a bad offensive joke by a comedian shouldn't destroy him? And where does one draw the line? As an american culture we seem to be pushing back the line on things we can not say or do. Our rights are being limited every year, and this just adds to it.

(sorry for rambling)

hey, he lost THIS job, that's all. how long do you think it's going to take before we read he got a $1M advance on his upcoming book, "Imus: I Did It My Way" or some such crap?
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4/12/2007  5:34 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by BlueSeats:

Remember Andrew Dice Clay? His schtick was that he was a white throwback 1950's style wife-beater. I found him pretty funny. I don't recall if he was racist or not but he was very profane and extremely mysogenistic. The women's groups hated him and got him banned from MTV. When he hosted SNL in protest Sinéad O'Connor and Nora Dunn refused to appear.

However rappers embraced him, quoted him in songs, and they've taken his schtick a lot farther, but what female entertainers dare protest? They'd be seen as un-hip or racist.

I think there is a certain amount of "this is our business, so STFU" that goes on in the black community, and even those blacks who protest get painted as uncle toms or out of touch. It appears an impenetrable box.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-12-2007 2:46 PM]

What rapper(s) embraced him? What songs were they?


Popularity and controversy

Clay garnered a recording contract with Rick Rubin's Def American label. His debut album Dice was a commercial success. Sampled excerpts from the album made their way to tracks by gangsta rap artist Ice Cube. In 1989, he appeared on the annual MTV Video Music Awards, where his raunchy and profane material caused MTV to ban him from the network for life. When he hosted Saturday Night Live, musical guest Sinéad O'Connor and cast member Nora Dunn refused to appear, protesting Clay's misogynistic persona. Clay donated the money from this appearance to charity. One segment on the program parodied both It's a Wonderful Life and the controversy surrounding Clay's appearance on the program, with Clay pondering suicide on a bridge, when he is met by his "guardian devil," played by Jon Lovitz. Lovitz shows him what the world would be like if he had not been born, including Nora Dunn crushed by Sinéad O'Connor's guitar amplifier.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Dice_Clay

P.S., I apologize for the sloppiness of suggesting there was more than one rapper, but the point remains.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-12-2007 5:36 PM]
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Too harsh a penalty. I hope anyone who ever uses the word 'nappy' or 'ho' is immediately fired. Let's be fair.

Btw, saying it matters who says it is... racist, is it not? It's either bad or it isn't. Thanks for the confirmation, no offense, but the point is well proved.
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4/12/2007  5:45 PM
my favorite dice moment - on cnn. DON"T turn the volume up at work or around kids.

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4/12/2007  5:46 PM
CBS fired Don Imus from his radio show Thursday, the finale to a stunning fall for one of the nation's most prominent broadcasters.

Imus initially was given a two-week suspension, to start Monday, for calling the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos" on the air last week, but outrage continued to grow and advertisers bolted from his programs. [READ]


I am surprised they fired him, but I can understand that with sponsors pulling out, CBS had to do something. I think the comments were made as a poor attempt at humor. They were demeaning and racist, but I don't think he said it with the intent to harm these girls even though the mere fact that he made the statement shows a lack of respect for African-American women. Simply put, you have to pay for what you say. There was no excuse for Imus to make such a comment. I would have been satisfied if CBS suspended him without pay for a few weeks to show that such conduct will not be tolerated, but at the same time, I cannot say I am sorry that he lost his job.

[Edited by - thegame on 04-12-2007 5:47 PM]
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Posted by Solace:

Too harsh a penalty. I hope anyone who ever uses the word 'nappy' or 'ho' is immediately fired. Let's be fair.

Btw, saying it matters who says it is... racist, is it not? It's either bad or it isn't. Thanks for the confirmation, no offense, but the point is well proved.

i don't agree man. if anyone wants to open their mouth on a platform like his and come out with that crap then they should know that they're taking their job in their hands by doing it.
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4/12/2007  5:53 PM
Posted by Solace:

Too harsh a penalty. I hope anyone who ever uses the word 'nappy' or 'ho' is immediately fired. Let's be fair.

Btw, saying it matters who says it is... racist, is it not? It's either bad or it isn't. Thanks for the confirmation, no offense, but the point is well proved.
Within the context of no context, sure it's all the same.

Confucious say: If a "ho" is in a vacuum, does she still blow? (the vacuum, of course.)

If the weather's nice this weekend I'm going to gather up my hoes and rake up the nappy burrs and pine cones.

(Maybe I've offended Asians now. I don't know, but I'm welcome to being educated if I have.)
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Posted by GhandiOrr:


If the weather's nice this weekend I'm going to gather up my hoes and rake up the nappy burrs and pine cones.

What do you mean "rake"?
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by Solace:

Too harsh a penalty. I hope anyone who ever uses the word 'nappy' or 'ho' is immediately fired. Let's be fair.

Btw, saying it matters who says it is... racist, is it not? It's either bad or it isn't. Thanks for the confirmation, no offense, but the point is well proved.

i don't agree man. if anyone wants to open their mouth on a platform like his and come out with that crap then they should know that they're taking their job in their hands by doing it.

Absolutely. He should've known that was a risk. But again, if Imus's comments were so bad, why isn't there more outrage at all of the other incidents where other radio hosts, rap artists, actors, etc... make such comments? Is 'nappy headed ho' realy worse than all of the comments we hear? I just don't see the consistency. This is the community at large; it apparently is only intolerable when is said by a caucasian. That is the sad reality, and so far most haven't denied that.
Posted by GhandiOrr:
Posted by Solace:

Too harsh a penalty. I hope anyone who ever uses the word 'nappy' or 'ho' is immediately fired. Let's be fair.

Btw, saying it matters who says it is... racist, is it not? It's either bad or it isn't. Thanks for the confirmation, no offense, but the point is well proved.
Within the context of no context, sure it's all the same.

Confucious say: If a "ho" is in a vacuum, does she still blow? (the vacuum, of course.)

If the weather's nice this weekend I'm going to gather up my hoes and rake up the nappy burrs and pine cones.

(Maybe I've offended Asians now. I don't know, but I'm welcome to being educated if I have.)

The context right now is based on a broad assumption that Imus meant to hurt their feelings. If he didn't, wouldn't it be something called a mistake? Isn't a mistake more forgivable than someone who does it intentionally just for a laugh and then doesn't apologize (how about someone like Chris Rock, who has said worse?). It's clear that if Imus was dumb enough to say something like that, he probably thought it wouldn't be taken seriously and would be a good laugh. While Imus is obviously very misguided, it does change the scenario a bit. If Chris Rock goes on stage and talks about the 'hos' and 'bitches', etc..., I'd be utterly shocked if there was one ounce of outrage. Certainly not that I've seen. I certainly haven't heard any stories of Rev. Al Bigmouth calling to get Chris Rock programs cancelled. What's the excuse for this?

And maybe you did offend Asians. I wouldn't know, but based on the standards I've heard, it sounds like it would be in their right to be angry, wouldn't it? Anything else would be inconsistent.
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Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by GhandiOrr:


If the weather's nice this weekend I'm going to gather up my hoes and rake up the nappy burrs and pine cones.

What do you mean "rake"?

This definition?

An immoral or dissolute person; a libertine.

Wow, that's pretty mean!
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Remember Andrew Dice Clay? His schtick was that he was a white throwback 1950's style wife-beater. I found him pretty funny. I don't recall if he was racist or not but he was very profane and extremely mysogenistic. The women's groups hated him and got him banned from MTV. When he hosted SNL in protest Sinéad O'Connor and Nora Dunn refused to appear.

However rappers embraced him, quoted him in songs, and they've taken his schtick a lot farther, but what female entertainers dare protest? They'd be seen as un-hip or racist.

I think there is a certain amount of "this is our business, so STFU" that goes on in the black community, and even those blacks who protest get painted as uncle toms or out of touch. It appears an impenetrable box.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-12-2007 2:46 PM]

What rapper(s) embraced him? What songs were they?


Popularity and controversy

Clay garnered a recording contract with Rick Rubin's Def American label. His debut album Dice was a commercial success. Sampled excerpts from the album made their way to tracks by gangsta rap artist Ice Cube. In 1989, he appeared on the annual MTV Video Music Awards, where his raunchy and profane material caused MTV to ban him from the network for life. When he hosted Saturday Night Live, musical guest Sinéad O'Connor and cast member Nora Dunn refused to appear, protesting Clay's misogynistic persona. Clay donated the money from this appearance to charity. One segment on the program parodied both It's a Wonderful Life and the controversy surrounding Clay's appearance on the program, with Clay pondering suicide on a bridge, when he is met by his "guardian devil," played by Jon Lovitz. Lovitz shows him what the world would be like if he had not been born, including Nora Dunn crushed by Sinéad O'Connor's guitar amplifier.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Dice_Clay

P.S., I apologize for the sloppiness of suggesting there was more than one rapper, but the point remains.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-12-2007 5:36 PM]

I don't get the point. It appears that Ice Cube used samples of his work on one of his tracks. You have me a disadvantage since I wasn't a huge Ice Cube fan. Did he use it a support, did he use it as an intro, did he use the sample to denounce Clay. I need more info. I find it ironic that Ice Cube seems to have move on from his 'gansta rap' days and now does family movies while Clay is doing a reality show about how raunchy he can be. I don't get the point of him hosting the MTV awards. I guess he did this because he was a comedian. I don't know. I am not sure what the criteria is for hosting these events but I always assume it is generally comedians like with the Oscars. I find it sad that a man in his late sixities seems more interested in listening to hip hop than Maya Angelou (whom he express much venom at). I don't know the connection with rap music. It appears that rap music is new scapegoat for Generation Scapegoat. You hear it all the time now. I am serious in the thought that soon rap music will be the sole blame for Jim Crow talk. The term "Bitch" is now view as a rap term while nearly two decades before shows like Dallas and Dynasty used the word as part of their plotline. I find it ironic as well that ho is now just a rap term when it is slang for the word whore. Are we going to blame Julia Roberts for making Don Imus making those comments. She made successful career protraying one in a movie. I mean that is what is going on now. If your child smokes dope it is Snogg Dogg fault. It's not the parent's fault for not properly parenting their kid. Teenage sex, pregancies, smoking, drug abuse, alcholism, violence and overrall chaos are now placed at the feet of rappers. I guess I expect more from a elderly gentleman who mimics pop culture. What will he do for a follow up act? Shave his head because Britney Spears did so.
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Rake: a man who seduces a young woman and impregnates her before leaving, often to her social or financial ruin.

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4/12/2007  6:10 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by GhandiOrr:


If the weather's nice this weekend I'm going to gather up my hoes and rake up the nappy burrs and pine cones.

What do you mean "rake"?
I meant "rake" as in "raking up the leaves." Gathering up the leaves. Like the gardening tools: "rake" and "hoe"

But "hoe" (the tool) isn't spelt the same way as "ho," so I changed it to the plural "hoes." Sorry, I live in Vermont where we take yard work comedy for granted. I forgot it might not translate.
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Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by GhandiOrr:


If the weather's nice this weekend I'm going to gather up my hoes and rake up the nappy burrs and pine cones.

What do you mean "rake"?
I meant "rake" as in "raking up the leaves." Gathering up the leaves. Like the gardening tools: "rake" and "hoe"

But "hoe" (the tool) isn't spelt the same way as "ho," so I changed it to the plural "hoes." Sorry, I live in Vermont where we take yard work comedy for granted. I forgot it might not translate.

Dude, I was joking.
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