vdfebduderocks wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

It's not about moderating. It's about being a coward and not posting your true opinions about Melo or others in the Knicks game thread. I know TKF mentions he doesn't want to instigate on the game threads, but posting your opinions on this thread is just being a coward.

Sorry, not trying to backseat mod, just telling the truth. And I've known TKF long back from the RealGM days too, so nothing personal either.

coward? LOL.... you just don't get it.. I make my opinons of carmelo well known, no coward here... You are the one with the problem bro.. YOU

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

agreed..

I don't know, I am pretty tired of that type of posting. There is a basic, underlying assumption in TKF's posts that Melo is just out there shooting to chase points instead of trying to win a game. TKF, I'd like to see you justify it. Please go ahead. The originating post IMHO is not a dissenting opinion, in fact I think it's pretty much crap.

Perhaps he is not taking the best shots all the time, but every player has gone through stretches like that, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Jordan, LeBron, you name it. But Melo and team is coming off of a 13 game win streak where Melo was a primary reason amongst other for the wins and who was also shooting a blistering 60% while racking up the wins.... that's good reason to try some shots.

If all you are doing is raging on players with no other real justification, this is probably not the place for you. Please give it a rest.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

agreed..

I don't know, I am pretty tired of that type of posting. There is a basic, underlying assumption in TKF's posts that Melo is just out there shooting to chase points instead of trying to win a game. TKF, I'd like to see you justify it. Please go ahead. The originating post IMHO is not a dissenting opinion, in fact I think it's pretty much crap.

Perhaps he is not taking the best shots all the time, but every player has gone through stretches like that, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Jordan, LeBron, you name it. But Melo and team is coming off of a 13 game win streak where Melo was a primary reason amongst other for the wins and who was also shooting a blistering 60% while racking up the wins.... that's good reason to try some shots.

If all you are doing is raging on players with no other real justification, this is probably not the place for you. Please give it a rest.

I'd have to respectfully disagree. Plenty have piled up evidence criticizing Melo's shot selection. They've posted Melo's shot charts, for example. You see that he takes way too many shots from low percentage areas. They've mentioned that for his usage rate, he almost never passes and gets assists. You shouldn't have to repeat all the data behind your view in every post. No one does that.

I posted the FGA ratio of Melo and J.R. to not lump all the responsibility of chucking on Melo alone. One reply I received was "who was he supposed to pass or they pass to."

IMO that's not a good reply.

Someone suggested in this thread would I would want Felton taking more shots....well he is better than Lin so why not. They mentioned Shump and Prigs as not really worthy of receiving more shots.....who mind you were a combined 6-7 yesterday<--------rotflol!!!!

yes Melo should have taken maybe 7-10 less shots and Smith 5-7 less shots and given Shump/Prig/Novak a chance to be more involved.

The Bulls don't mind if Jimmy Butler shoots or even old arse Rip Hamilton. Deng didn't say to himself "hey last time we played them at MSG I dropped 33 on Melo, Rose and Noah are out it's on"...I'm hoisting

There is no reason for 2 guys to take 30FGA in a game on this team, because who has rhythm besides Melo and Smith heading into the playoffs? It's going to take the team to win in the playoffs..... regular game winning streaks are what they are cute but in a large way misleading especially looking at when they happen and how they happen.

I'm really not all that impressed with the Heat's/Nugz/Knicks/OKC/Spurs regular season winning streaks, but I do appreciate how a few of these teams go about playing the game during the streaks and during the non streaks.

I don't like the Paper/Rock Scissors game going on between Woody/Melo/Smith.

Now I will say I respect Carmelo for going after an accomplishment(from a competitive principle and not backing down from it passive aggressively like Durant) but what I don't like about it, it's totally contrary to how he said he would play this season and ultimately more selfish in nature.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

agreed..

I don't know, I am pretty tired of that type of posting. There is a basic, underlying assumption in TKF's posts that Melo is just out there shooting to chase points instead of trying to win a game. TKF, I'd like to see you justify it. Please go ahead. The originating post IMHO is not a dissenting opinion, in fact I think it's pretty much crap.

Perhaps he is not taking the best shots all the time, but every player has gone through stretches like that, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Jordan, LeBron, you name it. But Melo and team is coming off of a 13 game win streak where Melo was a primary reason amongst other for the wins and who was also shooting a blistering 60% while racking up the wins.... that's good reason to try some shots.

If all you are doing is raging on players with no other real justification, this is probably not the place for you. Please give it a rest.

I'd have to respectfully disagree. Plenty have piled up evidence criticizing Melo's shot selection. They've posted Melo's shot charts, for example. You see that he takes way too many shots from low percentage areas. They've mentioned that for his usage rate, he almost never passes and gets assists. You shouldn't have to repeat all the data behind your view in every post. No one does that.

There is a big distinction between poor shot selection and just "chasing points". TKF's claim was that Melo is just chasing points. Neither you or he have addressed that.

dk7th wrote:whether he is chasing points or just not playing the right way the result is the same: the knicks don't look like an ECF contender. so it behooves him to keep the ball moving and keep the defenses guessing and working and chasing the ball until the open man is found.

he has been doing that more often than not the last dozen games so there is no excuse to not continue doing that-- none.

Won't disagree with that... as long as everyone understands that there isn't a single player that plays every single game without flaw. Plenty of games where Jordan, Kobe, Melo, LeBron, Durant all shoot too much or don't move the ball enough. We can all find games like that. My point was simple: To just throw down the hammer against a guy like Melo who after 13 games was shooting lights out and piling up wins... to say that all he does is "chase points" is weak sauce. Very freaking weak and quite pointless when trying to criticize another poster for praising Melo in a general sense.

I'll add: Cope was shooting poorly and so was Kidd and JR. Shump was in foul trouble and Prigs got his normal minutes and limited shots (him MO). Felton got up plenty of shots. My grandma can deny Novak shots....

What other choice did the Knicks have in the CHI game? Melo needs to take shots.

dk7th wrote:

martin wrote:

dk7th wrote:whether he is chasing points or just not playing the right way the result is the same: the knicks don't look like an ECF contender. so it behooves him to keep the ball moving and keep the defenses guessing and working and chasing the ball until the open man is found.

he has been doing that more often than not the last dozen games so there is no excuse to not continue doing that-- none.

Won't disagree with that... as long as everyone understands that there isn't a single player that plays every single game without flaw. Plenty of games where Jordan, Kobe, Melo, LeBron, Durant all shoot too much or don't move the ball enough. We can all find games like that. My point was simple: To just throw down the hammer against a guy like Melo who after 13 games was shooting lights out and piling up wins... to say that all he does is "chase points" is weak sauce. Very freaking weak and quite pointless when trying to criticize another poster for praising Melo in a general sense.

I'll add: Cope was shooting poorly and so was Kidd and JR. Shump was in foul trouble and Prigs got his normal minutes and limited shots (him MO). Felton got up plenty of shots. My grandma can deny Novak shots....

What other choice did the Knicks have in the CHI game? Melo needs to take shots.

the knicks have sewn up the 2nd seed.

melo has been accused of being an inefficient volume shooter his entire career, for better or worse.

melo does not lack an ego, as fragile as it may be.

therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that, in a meaningless game qua playoff picture, that he is trying to win that scoring title. i am not saying that is what he was doing because i did not watch the game-- but given his history and who he is it is not unreasonable to assume.

FYI, the Knicks have not sewn up the 2nd seed. Only 2 games separate NY and Indy with 4 games left, and they face eachother in possibly the determining game on Sunday.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

agreed..

I don't know, I am pretty tired of that type of posting. There is a basic, underlying assumption in TKF's posts that Melo is just out there shooting to chase points instead of trying to win a game. TKF, I'd like to see you justify it. Please go ahead. The originating post IMHO is not a dissenting opinion, in fact I think it's pretty much crap.

Perhaps he is not taking the best shots all the time, but every player has gone through stretches like that, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Jordan, LeBron, you name it. But Melo and team is coming off of a 13 game win streak where Melo was a primary reason amongst other for the wins and who was also shooting a blistering 60% while racking up the wins.... that's good reason to try some shots.

If all you are doing is raging on players with no other real justification, this is probably not the place for you. Please give it a rest.

I'd have to respectfully disagree. Plenty have piled up evidence criticizing Melo's shot selection. They've posted Melo's shot charts, for example. You see that he takes way too many shots from low percentage areas. They've mentioned that for his usage rate, he almost never passes and gets assists. You shouldn't have to repeat all the data behind your view in every post. No one does that.

you mean like this?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/58126/courtvision-so-this-is-what-carmelo-anthonys-prime-looks-like?ex_cid=facebook

I am not sure if we can pick the rest of his contract up just for the sake for next year and if we can pay him more than the vet minimum to keep him
Although he is older, we like vets, and he can play the backup 3 and stretch 4, I thought he played good defense in stretches last year vs Durant in the play offs

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:People often go off-topic at times. It happens. Why don't you let the moderators do the moderating?

very true and honestly bonn, i avoid the game threads because I know how any kind of negative post will derail that whole thread, and I just want to avoid that.. so I post here and yet it is still a problem with some.. go figure...

posters who can't tolerate dissenting opinion, be it pessimism or objectivity, usually don't have a strong argument of their own.

agreed..

I don't know, I am pretty tired of that type of posting. There is a basic, underlying assumption in TKF's posts that Melo is just out there shooting to chase points instead of trying to win a game. TKF, I'd like to see you justify it. Please go ahead. The originating post IMHO is not a dissenting opinion, in fact I think it's pretty much crap.

Perhaps he is not taking the best shots all the time, but every player has gone through stretches like that, Kobe, Wade, Melo, Jordan, LeBron, you name it. But Melo and team is coming off of a 13 game win streak where Melo was a primary reason amongst other for the wins and who was also shooting a blistering 60% while racking up the wins.... that's good reason to try some shots.

If all you are doing is raging on players with no other real justification, this is probably not the place for you. Please give it a rest.

I'd have to respectfully disagree. Plenty have piled up evidence criticizing Melo's shot selection. They've posted Melo's shot charts, for example. You see that he takes way too many shots from low percentage areas. They've mentioned that for his usage rate, he almost never passes and gets assists. You shouldn't have to repeat all the data behind your view in every post. No one does that.

you mean like this?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/58126/courtvision-so-this-is-what-carmelo-anthonys-prime-looks-like?ex_cid=facebook

Regardless of the reasons, the bottom line is that Melo is about to wrap up the best season of his career. This is his prime, and with a much-improved jump shot, and a more efficient scoring profile, he’s revealed himself to be a worthy NBA superstar. But Anthony’s improvements this year also provide us with a vital reminder of the importance of context in the NBA. It helps to share the floor with playmakers, and good guard play makes everyone better