meloshouldgo wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:The problem with the democratic party is simple. Most people who can read and write have figured out that stock market highs and economic growth doesn't mean better standard of living for them. While the banks are raking in profits the working class is still mired in the recession and trying to figure out WTF happened to their party. If this party cant be honest about its coziness with big banks it will continue to lose support.
Hillary was the role model for everything wrong with this party now. Bring back the left wing or die.

Why then not to rename Democratic into Socialist?
Time to stop misleading the people.

Mislead? Bernie Sanders is a socialist and I would have given up my left arm to see him elected. And I am proud of it. Get it? Let me try that in English again - I am a socialist and I'll scream it from the rooftops. You have a problem with that? I would really like to tell you exactly what you can do with it.

Just because you grew up in Russia and you are not smart enough to tell the difference between communism, socialism and corrupt government doesn't give you the right to come here and call other people out for being misleading. GTFO

I get it.
So why you are with this hack-job Democrats who are in fact the party of large capital?
US has Socialist and Communist parties.
Be a man and support them not pretenders.
You do not need to be smart to see where the wind is blowing.
Sorry to ruin your utopian dream - socialism is dead together with hundred of millions victims it slaughtered for nothing.

And where did you see me support this hack-job Democrats again? Please point out exactly what I have said in support of them???

Socialism is a philosophy not an economical model and no you don't get it, you never have. But I have no intention of discussing it with you, you are clearly to brainwashed against it to even comprehend what is being said.

You said that you supporting Berny and Co and they are left wing Dems.
I studied socialism philosophy in school and college as it was mandatory subjects in USSR.
USSR had the best implementation of Socialism on every level.
Lenin started it, Stalin enhanced it, and Breznev and Co improved it to its logical conclusion.
Its when no one has anything and nobody wants anything. Then the whole thing fail like house of cards.
Unfortunately people only can learn on their own misfortunes and Americans so far were saved from this deadly disease.
But virus is still circulating.

This is cold war indoctrination/propaganda thinking- there is no black and white, its not full capitalism or full soviet socialism- there are zillions of different types of socialism and there are zillion different levels of state intervention on the economy (that don't even equate to socialism)- why rob yourself of options? The free market extremists always cry soviet communism whenever anyone proposes any level of intervention- its ridiculous, they just do it to deter anything other than allowing them to get as rich as possible with as little accountability as option. As a result you have morons railing against health care coverage, that they otherwise wouldn't have, that will stop them dying because its 'communism'!

This perfectly demonstrates how confirmation bias assists misinformation and propaganda. Let's use one person with a obsession against socialism and project his feelings into all Russians everywhere. Guns have it your way, like I said this is exhausting.

http://qz.com/207365/more-than-half-of-russians-want-the-soviet-union-back/

Yes it was and are many kinds of socialism in many countries.
They have only one thing in common - they all failed as economical and political system.
This is a fact.
Russia has distributive economy when wealth is not earned but distributed to people.
Majority of population has no assets and savings so naturally the only system they can survive in is socialism.
They need help from central government which collects and distributes the wealth which is expropriated from anyone who earn it.
The problem comes when no one already exist who this wealth generates. And why would he/she do it, if it will be taken away and given to those who made no effort to create any wealth.
At this point the government will need to get wealth elsewhere - by successful war to get wealth taken from other countries, by killing some portion of population to get whatever little they had, by using slave labor of prisoners, etc. This are not some fantasies. This is how it went in many counties and going on right now.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Welpee wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/796900183955095552

ARE YOU F CKING KIDDING ME?

what a f cking loser. lol.

The protesters are being "unfair to him" (in my best whiny voice), meanwhile wikileaks only hacked people associated with Dems and that was OK and he encouraged more?

This guy is going to be the most hyper-sensitive president in history. Not a good attribute for someone who can give the order for mass killings.

It's not fair. There was a fair election in which the rules have been well laid out for decades. So it seems the protesters went to an election only willing to accept it if they won.

They're protesting the whole process - Comey intervening, the electoral college overriding the will of the public, voter ID laws removing the voting rights of many Americans (300,000 voters who were mostly minorities in Wisconsin where Trump won by 27,000, for example), and far more. It doesn't make sense to say you lose your right to protest the *process* if your opponent has a higher electoral vote *outcome* than you. They're protesting the process that led to that outcome.

I will die for their rights to peacefully protest anything they want.
This is fundamental right worth fighting for.
If we want to have the united country and do not want to break US into 50 independent countries or some confederations (line Socialist State of California or Democratic Republic of Taxes - ) we should maintain the election system as is.
If Blue states want to separate from Red States than sure - we need to change the system.

nykshaknbake wrote:I'm a minority and very concerned about the character and policies of Donald j trump. But this is a democracy with checks and balances, elections and rule of law. Looking for violent overthrow or overturn of election results won't lead anywhere good. If that's acceptable then next time we have a president we like and elect he could be overthrown too.

Agreed

earthmansurfer wrote:Regarding electoral college, understand we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy and the founding fathers didn't want e.g. 2 highly populated States - NY and Cali, picking the president for the rest of America. We are not a mob rule democracy. This is how America support for Trump looks electorally.

Of course California wasn't a concern at the time since it was part of Spain. It was about big states like Virginia and their slave populations versus small population states like New Jersey. Hence the 3/5th of a person calculation for slaves to further check that power.

For more information look up "Connecticut Compromise"

earthmansurfer wrote:Regarding electoral college, understand we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy and the founding fathers didn't want e.g. 2 highly populated States - NY and Cali, picking the president for the rest of America. We are not a mob rule democracy. This is how America support for Trump looks electorally.

holfresh wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Welpee wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/796900183955095552

ARE YOU F CKING KIDDING ME?

what a f cking loser. lol.

The protesters are being "unfair to him" (in my best whiny voice), meanwhile wikileaks only hacked people associated with Dems and that was OK and he encouraged more?

This guy is going to be the most hyper-sensitive president in history. Not a good attribute for someone who can give the order for mass killings.

It's not fair. There was a fair election in which the rules have been well laid out for decades. So it seems the protesters went to an election only willing to accept it if they won.

People aren't only protesting the election but protesting the character of the man elected...He isn't worthy of the office...Ronald Reagan wore an overcoat to the Oval Office everyday he went to work...His very presence soils the institution..They don't see him a representative of the values that made this country great or this office special..The Presidency or Fist Lady will never be looked upon the same way again after this election..So they protest the man...

Just adding to what Bonn eloquently said...

nixluva wrote:The DNC looks like it's going FULL THROTTLE for the Progressive wing. Bernie, Warren, Ellis etc. This is going to be very interesting to watch develop. IMO this was a long time coming but the Hillary failure was necessary to make it possible. There will also be some new blood coming in I expect. The youth will have more of a voice.

Howard Schultz has been very visible the last 24 hours...He thought about running for President..He has liberal views...I see him stepping up in the next 3 years...

nixluva wrote:The DNC looks like it's going FULL THROTTLE for the Progressive wing. Bernie, Warren, Ellis etc. This is going to be very interesting to watch develop. IMO this was a long time coming but the Hillary failure was necessary to make it possible. There will also be some new blood coming in I expect. The youth will have more of a voice.

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:The DNC looks like it's going FULL THROTTLE for the Progressive wing. Bernie, Warren, Ellis etc. This is going to be very interesting to watch develop. IMO this was a long time coming but the Hillary failure was necessary to make it possible. There will also be some new blood coming in I expect. The youth will have more of a voice.

Who is Ellis?

He meant Keith Ellison, rep from Minnesota, first Muslim elected to the House, head of Progressive wing. Bernie is proposing he be the new DNC chair.

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Regarding electoral college, understand we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy and the founding fathers didn't want e.g. 2 highly populated States - NY and Cali, picking the president for the rest of America. We are not a mob rule democracy. This is how America support for Trump looks electorally.

The original issue had nothing to do with NY or California as some of you have stated but everything to do with slavery...

The framers of the Constitution were afraid of a democracy (mob rule), that is the point. We are a Constitutional Republic. Slaves or no slaves, not the point.
Point about a few States essentially electing a president still stands.

You can argue that the system needs to be updated, sure, I am for that. But that would require a lot of discussion and finally agreement.