Now that Trump has won and he has the majority of the house and senate lets see what he can do. I voted for Hillary and we lost. Maybe thats a good thing because without the house and senate she would have a hard time getting anything done. The only hope of us getting back the house and senate during half terms 2 years from now. I hope those voters who voted for Trump in Ohio, Pennsylvania,Michigan get their steel and factory jobs back. If they don't which I think not likely Trump will have scammed them like he did everyone else. TIME WILL TELL. This was not the democratic year. If they think that passing the none abortion bill will work think again. I just laugh how the christian right choose Trump. They are some of the same people who bombed the black churches in the south. The media made Trump and now they must live with him. He is susposed to be the man of change and the first people he is bringing in is Gingrich and Gulliano.

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:At this point, I am fairly convinced that 90% of everything Trump said was total BS, and he is not going to do most of what he claimed. He is never going to get Mexico to pay for a wall. He is not getting term limits passed (which would require a constitutional amendment). He probably is not going to cut regulations to any significant extent and he simply is not smart enough to fix the tax code. He will lower taxes on the rich, he will pull back Obamacare, and he will increase defense spending. Beyond that, I have doubts he will do much else. The real danger is in foreign policy because we have to worry about his temperament, and if he really plans to play the role of isolationist, it may give countries like Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia the opportunity to expand their power. We will just have to wait and see.

I agree with that except the part about regulations. Why do you think he won't cut back regulations? I think he wants corporations to have free reign.
I also think he's very good at selling ideas to the public. Even if he doesn't do 90% of what he said he would or if he does them and things get worse in the country, I worry he'll be able to convince enough people that he's doing a good job.

A lot of Trump's campaign promises were just for show. The Congress will effectively slow him down on the really expensive policy. His Tax policy will create a sugar rush but then inevitably the crash will come.

I think the culture stuff and the Supreme Court will be a huge deal for Progressives to accept. The foreign policy stuff is scary. He's very naive about foreign affairs and that can be dangerous.

Democrats have been running on the 'change' platform for a decade or more now and haven't delivered. Now we have a President elect who might actually follow through with making real changes to our failing systems and Democrats are freaking out and crying gloom and doom for the free world as we know it. It is all just so surreal. Liberal democrats are labeling Trump a racist and yet race relations are as bad as they have ever been under Obama.

Liberal democrats in urban areas employ millions of illegals, paying them sub standard wages and paying nothing into the tax system. These illegals need to join the system, get decent wages and pay their share of taxes. The middle class has been carrying this country on it's shoulders for far to long. Things need to change. I don't think deportation is the answer, but I would like to see everyone who is here illegally pay their fair share of taxes to support the system that they take so much from for nothing.

it was Romney/Ryan, or McCain/Palin, or Bush/Cheney or Bush/Quail or Regan/Bush I would 100% agree with this and say these guys deserve their shot to move things in a better direction. However the commander is chief is a con man who openly trashes women with no accountability, cheats laborers, has a detailed history of discrimination and has shown a very poor temperment. "Balancing" that is Pence, a religious zealot who believes gays can be "cured" with therapy.

Is this a case of "Dems get what they deserve" because of the failures you outlined above? Is this what is best for this country? Maybe it is... maybe we need this level of trash elevated to the highest positions in the land for voters to wake up and mobilize. I guess thats the upside? I do think its kinda funny to hear things like "America has spoken" when HRC won the popular vote (as Gore did). GOP won fair and square, I have no qualms about that... but the rhetoric is funny to say the least.

I do not disagree with you character assessment of the man. At this point I am looking at the policies he wants to implement in the first 100 days and I'm hoping for the best. I strongly believe that this country was founded on, and needs, a strong middle class. We need to bring manufacturing and light manufacturing jobs back to America and reduce the tax burden on the middle class. Trump said all the right things that resonate with working class America. Having lived in NYC most of my life and working in the same industry as Trump, I know who he is and still think he is the wrong person saying the right things, but here we are. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and I am not buying into the doom and gloom that he is the next Hitler or is the antichrist. He is a flawed man who maybe just wants to do the right things for this country. His methods are questionable at best, but you can't argue with the results.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:This is the first time since our early days that a non-politician is POTUS. He will need to time to grow into the role and there will be bumps along the way.

Trump is a man of energy and action. He will try to do many things. Some will work, some will not.

His most important job is to keep the citizens of the USA safe. Then the economy and upholding the constitution. Everything else fills in afterwards. Without security, freedom and prosperity, the other issues are not as important.

The sun is shining today and we are all on the same team. Let's give the him a chance to do right.

Yeah, the way republicans gave our current president a chance (i.e. obstruct everything he wants to do even things they agree with or can compromise on, make sure he has a failed presidency, make sure he's a one term president)?

I know two wrongs don't make a right, but if the Dems stopped playing nice and decided to fight fire with fire I wouldn't lose any sleep.

He has not taken office yet, what are you fighting him about?

He has not been responsible for any policy EVER in this country. He has only stated some opinions and said many words. I prefer to judge by what he actually does when he gets there. It's my hunch he will be a very moderate POTUS.

Rookie wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:At this point, I am fairly convinced that 90% of everything Trump said was total BS, and he is not going to do most of what he claimed. He is never going to get Mexico to pay for a wall. He is not getting term limits passed (which would require a constitutional amendment). He probably is not going to cut regulations to any significant extent and he simply is not smart enough to fix the tax code. He will lower taxes on the rich, he will pull back Obamacare, and he will increase defense spending. Beyond that, I have doubts he will do much else. The real danger is in foreign policy because we have to worry about his temperament, and if he really plans to play the role of isolationist, it may give countries like Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia the opportunity to expand their power. We will just have to wait and see.

I agree with that except the part about regulations. Why do you think he won't cut back regulations? I think he wants corporations to have free reign.
I also think he's very good at selling ideas to the public. Even if he doesn't do 90% of what he said he would or if he does them and things get worse in the country, I worry he'll be able to convince enough people that he's doing a good job.

A lot of Trump's campaign promises were just for show. The Congress will effectively slow him down on the really expensive policy. His Tax policy will create a sugar rush but then inevitably the crash will come.

I think the culture stuff and the Supreme Court will be a huge deal for Progressives to accept. The foreign policy stuff is scary. He's very naive about foreign affairs and that can be dangerous.

Democrats have been running on the 'change' platform for a decade or more now and haven't delivered. Now we have a President elect who might actually follow through with making real changes to our failing systems and Democrats are freaking out and crying gloom and doom for the free world as we know it. It is all just so surreal. Liberal democrats are labeling Trump a racist and yet race relations are as bad as they have ever been under Obama.

Liberal democrats in urban areas employ millions of illegals, paying them sub standard wages and paying nothing into the tax system. These illegals need to join the system, get decent wages and pay their share of taxes. The middle class has been carrying this country on it's shoulders for far to long. Things need to change. I don't think deportation is the answer, but I would like to see everyone who is here illegally pay their fair share of taxes to support the system that they take so much from for nothing.

Dems did deliver change, just not what you may have wanted. Just remember that Republicans stalled, obstructed and ran out the clock in order to make government fail. They don't believe in government so they do everything they can to limit it from doing any good.

Just so you know it's Republicans who are in charge in RED America and they are 💯 responsible for most of the problems in those cities and towns. Big Business is in control of the government now and you and Trump's voters don't even realize you let the Fox into the Hen House. The Republicans are bought and paid for and will do the bidding of their masters. Just like they always do.

Not for nothing, but my little town in Red America is doing fairly well. We have promoted and managed to keep enough light manufacturing to have decent job opportunities. We have a major state of the art Hospital facility that keeps growing and employing. We have a large retirement base on fixed incomes, tourism and of course the military bases that help the local economy. All of this I credit to a very active community that is involved and making smart local decisions and also preserving our historic small town atmosphere. It is a place where if you visited, you would leave saying that everyone is so nice. My little town continues to grow, I hope the rest of America can do as well.

WOW! Man thats great. When do you get your first NBA team? Baseball team? Football team? Jay Z concert.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:This is the first time since our early days that a non-politician is POTUS. He will need to time to grow into the role and there will be bumps along the way.

Trump is a man of energy and action. He will try to do many things. Some will work, some will not.

His most important job is to keep the citizens of the USA safe. Then the economy and upholding the constitution. Everything else fills in afterwards. Without security, freedom and prosperity, the other issues are not as important.

The sun is shining today and we are all on the same team. Let's give the him a chance to do right.

It's easy to say we're all on the same team if you're a white man. I wonder if you'd be as at ease if a black president had just been elected who said the same things about white people as Trump has regarding ethnic minorities.

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:At this point, I am fairly convinced that 90% of everything Trump said was total BS, and he is not going to do most of what he claimed. He is never going to get Mexico to pay for a wall. He is not getting term limits passed (which would require a constitutional amendment). He probably is not going to cut regulations to any significant extent and he simply is not smart enough to fix the tax code. He will lower taxes on the rich, he will pull back Obamacare, and he will increase defense spending. Beyond that, I have doubts he will do much else. The real danger is in foreign policy because we have to worry about his temperament, and if he really plans to play the role of isolationist, it may give countries like Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia the opportunity to expand their power. We will just have to wait and see.

I agree with that except the part about regulations. Why do you think he won't cut back regulations? I think he wants corporations to have free reign.
I also think he's very good at selling ideas to the public. Even if he doesn't do 90% of what he said he would or if he does them and things get worse in the country, I worry he'll be able to convince enough people that he's doing a good job.

A lot of Trump's campaign promises were just for show. The Congress will effectively slow him down on the really expensive policy. His Tax policy will create a sugar rush but then inevitably the crash will come.

I think the culture stuff and the Supreme Court will be a huge deal for Progressives to accept. The foreign policy stuff is scary. He's very naive about foreign affairs and that can be dangerous.

Democrats have been running on the 'change' platform for a decade or more now and haven't delivered. Now we have a President elect who might actually follow through with making real changes to our failing systems and Democrats are freaking out and crying gloom and doom for the free world as we know it. It is all just so surreal. Liberal democrats are labeling Trump a racist and yet race relations are as bad as they have ever been under Obama.

Liberal democrats in urban areas employ millions of illegals, paying them sub standard wages and paying nothing into the tax system. These illegals need to join the system, get decent wages and pay their share of taxes. The middle class has been carrying this country on it's shoulders for far to long. Things need to change. I don't think deportation is the answer, but I would like to see everyone who is here illegally pay their fair share of taxes to support the system that they take so much from for nothing.

it was Romney/Ryan, or McCain/Palin, or Bush/Cheney or Bush/Quail or Regan/Bush I would 100% agree with this and say these guys deserve their shot to move things in a better direction. However the commander is chief is a con man who openly trashes women with no accountability, cheats laborers, has a detailed history of discrimination and has shown a very poor temperment. "Balancing" that is Pence, a religious zealot who believes gays can be "cured" with therapy.

Is this a case of "Dems get what they deserve" because of the failures you outlined above? Is this what is best for this country? Maybe it is... maybe we need this level of trash elevated to the highest positions in the land for voters to wake up and mobilize. I guess thats the upside? I do think its kinda funny to hear things like "America has spoken" when HRC won the popular vote (as Gore did). GOP won fair and square, I have no qualms about that... but the rhetoric is funny to say the least.

I do not disagree with you character assessment of the man. At this point I am looking at the policies he wants to implement in the first 100 days and I'm hoping for the best. I strongly believe that this country was founded on, and needs, a strong middle class. We need to bring manufacturing and light manufacturing jobs back to America and reduce the tax burden on the middle class. Trump said all the right things that resonate with working class America. Having lived in NYC most of my life and working in the same industry as Trump, I know who he is and still think he is the wrong person saying the right things, but here we are. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and I am not buying into the doom and gloom that he is the next Hitler or is the antichrist. He is a flawed man who maybe just wants to do the right things for this country. His methods are questionable at best, but you can't argue with the results.

Briggs can joke about sexism. When its his daughter assaulted by rich white kid and that kids father says "tough sentence for a little tail" lets see his comments then. I wouldnt wish that on anyone, but he fails to see the connection and there is one. People ask what kind of a culture can we have where this exists? The answer is a Trump culture, where there is no accountability.

I am fine with GOP leadership and I think the on again off again is important. I respect conservative values, small gov and states rights. What Trump brings is a different level. I do wish him well.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:This is the first time since our early days that a non-politician is POTUS. He will need to time to grow into the role and there will be bumps along the way.

Trump is a man of energy and action. He will try to do many things. Some will work, some will not.

His most important job is to keep the citizens of the USA safe. Then the economy and upholding the constitution. Everything else fills in afterwards. Without security, freedom and prosperity, the other issues are not as important.

The sun is shining today and we are all on the same team. Let's give the him a chance to do right.

Yeah, the way republicans gave our current president a chance (i.e. obstruct everything he wants to do even things they agree with or can compromise on, make sure he has a failed presidency, make sure he's a one term president)?

I know two wrongs don't make a right, but if the Dems stopped playing nice and decided to fight fire with fire I wouldn't lose any sleep.

He has not taken office yet, what are you fighting him about?

He has not been responsible for any policy EVER in this country. He has only stated some opinions and said many words. I prefer to judge by what he actually does when he gets there. It's my hunch he will be a very moderate POTUS.

So let me get this straight, you voted for someone who has never been responsible for any policy EVER and you want to judge him by what he does? Assuming you voted for him, what was the basis for you voting for him again? So you didn't judge him by what he said?

DJT has said many stupid things. Now that he has won, I will judge him as POTUS from January 20th, 2017 and forward.

I am against term limits and career politicians. Being a career politician does not mean you will make good decisions. It means you are bought and sold many times over. HRC made a fortune of being a public servant. They get money from countries that fund ISIS, throw gays off buildings and believe women are nothing more than sex slaves. Yes, they think its ok, because some of it may be used to fight AIDS, while the rest was used for Chelsea's wedding and buying her NYC apartment (that's discussed in the emails ).

In all the wikileak emails, why are they not discussing how to make America a better place and of helping people? Instead they discuss how to fool people and keep their power with donations and taking positions on things. They do not care for us, they only care about the power they can maintain and grow by fooling the masses. Power leads to more money and that is their ultimate goal.

Also, Look at the freak show protests that are going on now with those who feel entitled screaming this is NOT America, need to get a grip. They are the result of the getting a trophy for participating ideology. Getting a day off from college so they can cry about the election? Give me a break. Get a life. Go get a job and do contribute to society instead of crying about a free election that did not go your way because it was assumed HRC was entitled to it.

Now I do agree with you regarding the protesters. If they want to protest their rage should be directed to the dems in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin who gave Trump those states.

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fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TheGame wrote:At this point, I am fairly convinced that 90% of everything Trump said was total BS, and he is not going to do most of what he claimed. He is never going to get Mexico to pay for a wall. He is not getting term limits passed (which would require a constitutional amendment). He probably is not going to cut regulations to any significant extent and he simply is not smart enough to fix the tax code. He will lower taxes on the rich, he will pull back Obamacare, and he will increase defense spending. Beyond that, I have doubts he will do much else. The real danger is in foreign policy because we have to worry about his temperament, and if he really plans to play the role of isolationist, it may give countries like Iran, North Korea, China, and Russia the opportunity to expand their power. We will just have to wait and see.

I agree with that except the part about regulations. Why do you think he won't cut back regulations? I think he wants corporations to have free reign.
I also think he's very good at selling ideas to the public. Even if he doesn't do 90% of what he said he would or if he does them and things get worse in the country, I worry he'll be able to convince enough people that he's doing a good job.

A lot of Trump's campaign promises were just for show. The Congress will effectively slow him down on the really expensive policy. His Tax policy will create a sugar rush but then inevitably the crash will come.

I think the culture stuff and the Supreme Court will be a huge deal for Progressives to accept. The foreign policy stuff is scary. He's very naive about foreign affairs and that can be dangerous.

Democrats have been running on the 'change' platform for a decade or more now and haven't delivered. Now we have a President elect who might actually follow through with making real changes to our failing systems and Democrats are freaking out and crying gloom and doom for the free world as we know it. It is all just so surreal. Liberal democrats are labeling Trump a racist and yet race relations are as bad as they have ever been under Obama.

Liberal democrats in urban areas employ millions of illegals, paying them sub standard wages and paying nothing into the tax system. These illegals need to join the system, get decent wages and pay their share of taxes. The middle class has been carrying this country on it's shoulders for far to long. Things need to change. I don't think deportation is the answer, but I would like to see everyone who is here illegally pay their fair share of taxes to support the system that they take so much from for nothing.

it was Romney/Ryan, or McCain/Palin, or Bush/Cheney or Bush/Quail or Regan/Bush I would 100% agree with this and say these guys deserve their shot to move things in a better direction. However the commander is chief is a con man who openly trashes women with no accountability, cheats laborers, has a detailed history of discrimination and has shown a very poor temperment. "Balancing" that is Pence, a religious zealot who believes gays can be "cured" with therapy.

Is this a case of "Dems get what they deserve" because of the failures you outlined above? Is this what is best for this country? Maybe it is... maybe we need this level of trash elevated to the highest positions in the land for voters to wake up and mobilize. I guess thats the upside? I do think its kinda funny to hear things like "America has spoken" when HRC won the popular vote (as Gore did). GOP won fair and square, I have no qualms about that... but the rhetoric is funny to say the least.

I do not disagree with you character assessment of the man. At this point I am looking at the policies he wants to implement in the first 100 days and I'm hoping for the best. I strongly believe that this country was founded on, and needs, a strong middle class. We need to bring manufacturing and light manufacturing jobs back to America and reduce the tax burden on the middle class. Trump said all the right things that resonate with working class America. Having lived in NYC most of my life and working in the same industry as Trump, I know who he is and still think he is the wrong person saying the right things, but here we are. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now and I am not buying into the doom and gloom that he is the next Hitler or is the antichrist. He is a flawed man who maybe just wants to do the right things for this country. His methods are questionable at best, but you can't argue with the results.

you totally can argue. His companies have underperformed. He's declared bankruptcy 6 times. He's left a trail behind him. The only results you cant argue with is that Trump has done very well for Trump.

Briggs can joke about sexism. When its his daughter assaulted by rich white kid and that kids father says "tough sentence for a little tail" lets see his comments then. I wouldnt wish that on anyone, but he fails to see the connection and there is one. People ask what kind of a culture can we have where this exists? The answer is a Trump culture, where there is no accountability.

I am fine with GOP leadership and I think the on again off again is important. I respect conservative values, small gov and states rights. What Trump brings is a different level. I do wish him well.

I find this article particularly interesting, so I'll just attach it here https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/09/trump-won-because-college-educated-americans-are-out-of-touch/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw7&wpmm=1

Trump won because college-educated Americans are out of touch

Higher education is isolated, insular and liberal. Average voters aren't.

As the reality of President-elect Donald Trump settled in very early Wednesday morning, MSNBC’s Chris Hayes summed up an explanation common to many on the left: The Republican nominee pulled ahead thanks to old-fashioned American racism.

But the attempt to make Trump’s victory about racism appears to be at odds with what actually happened on Election Day. Consider the following facts.

Twenty-nine percent of Latinos voted for Trump, per exit polls. Remarkably, despite the near-ubiquitous narrative that Trump would have deep problems with this demographic given his comments and position on immigration, this was a higher percentage of those who voted for GOP nominee Mitt Romney in 2012. Meanwhile, African Americans did not turn out to vote against Trump. In fact, Trump received a higher percentage of African American votes than Romney did.

And while many white voters deeply disliked Trump, they disliked Democrat Hillary Clinton even more. Of those who had negative feelings about both Trump and Clinton, Trump got their votes by a margin of 2 to 1. Votes for Trump seemed to signal a rejection of the norms and values for which Clinton stood more than an outright embrace of Trump. He was viewed unfavorably, for instance, by 61 percent of Wisconsinites, but 1 in 5 in that group voted for him anyway.

The most important divide in this election was not between whites and non-whites. It was between those who are often referred to as “educated” voters and those who are described as “working class” voters.

The reality is that six in 10 Americans do not have a college degree, and they elected Donald Trump. College-educated people didn’t just fail to see this coming — they have struggled to display even a rudimentary understanding of the worldviews of those who voted for Trump. This is an indictment of the monolithic, insulated political culture in the vast majority our colleges and universities.

As a college professor, I know that there are many ways in which college graduates simply know more about the world than those who do not have such degrees. This is especially true — with some exceptions, of course — when it comes to “hard facts” learned in science, history and sociology courses.

But I also know that that those with college degrees — again, with some significant exceptions — don’t necessarily know philosophy or theology. And they have especially paltry knowledge about the foundational role that different philosophical or theological claims play in public thought compared with what is common to college campuses. In my experience, many professors and college students don’t even realize that their views on political issues rely on a particular philosophical or theological stance.

As a college professor, I know that there are many ways in which college graduates simply know more about the world than those who do not have such degrees. This is especially true — with some exceptions, of course — when it comes to “hard facts” learned in science, history and sociology courses.

But I also know that that those with college degrees — again, with some significant exceptions — don’t necessarily know philosophy or theology. And they have especially paltry knowledge about the foundational role that different philosophical or theological claims play in public thought compared with what is common to college campuses. In my experience, many professors and college students don’t even realize that their views on political issues rely on a particular philosophical or theological stance.

Sometimes the college-educated find themselves so unable to understand a particular working-class point of view that they will respond to those perspectives with shocking condescension. Recall that President Obama, in the midst of the 2012 election cycle, suggested that job losses were the reason working-class voters were bitterly clinging “to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them.” The religious themselves, meanwhile, likely do not chalk their faith up to unhappy economic prospects, and they probably find it hard to connect with politicians who seem to assume such.

Thus today’s college graduates are formed by a campus culture that leaves them unable to understand people with unfamiliar or heterodox views on guns, abortion, religion, marriage, gender and privilege. And that same culture leads such educated people to either label those with whom they disagree as bad people or reduce their stated views on these issues as actually being about something else, as in Obama’s case. Most college grads in this culture are simply never forced to engage with or seriously consider professors or texts which could provide a genuine, compelling alternative view.

For decades now, U.S. colleges and universities have quite rightly been trying to become more diverse when it comes to race and gender. But this election highlights the fact that our institutions of higher education should use similar methods to cultivate philosophical, theological and political diversity.

These institutions should consider using quotas in hiring that help faculties and administrations more accurately reflect the wide range of norms and values present in the American people. There should be systemwide attempts to have texts assigned in classes written by people from intellectually underrepresented groups. There should be concerted efforts to protect political minorities from discrimination and marginalization, even if their views are unpopular or uncomfortable to consider.

The goal of such changes would not be to convince students that their political approaches are either correct or incorrect. The goal would instead be educational: to identify and understand the norms, values, first principles, intuitions and stories which have been traditionally underrepresented in higher education. This would better equip college graduates to engage with the world as it is, including with their fellow citizens.

The alternative, a reduction of all disagreement to racism, bigotry and ignorance — in addition to being wrong about its primary source — will simply make the disagreement far more personal, entrenched and vitriolic. And it won’t make liberal values more persuasive to the less educated, as Trump victory demonstrates.

It is time to do the hard work of forging the kind of understanding that moves beyond mere dismissal to actual argument. Today’s election results indicate that our colleges and universities are places where this hard work is particularly necessary.