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NBA Finals Game 4: Spurs @ Knicks 6/10 @ 8:30pm - Nietzsche Night: "Whatever Doesn't Kill Us, Makes Us Stronger"
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Philc1
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6/11/2026  11:10 AM
Spurs gonna trade Fox and sign LeFraud to play pg
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6/11/2026  11:10 AM
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:its crazy because we really havent gotten much from Mitch or Deuce these playoffs.

I mean Deuce hasn't scored a single point these last 2 games and 2.8ppg on 20% shooting in the finals. but sure enough Alvarado has stepped up.

Deuce just isn't a PG, its why he won't get a big contract IMO. nice 3 & D guy but a tweener.

Deuce is the one easily tradable contract that has overlapping talent if the Knicks bring back Shamet and if they want to do something different. And it's a position that they need more ball handling as that is the one area the Knicks can be taken advantage of.

100% agree. They need a high level backup guard who can take ball handling duties and hit shots. If you could combine Deuce and Alvarado it would be a perfect match, but not sure either guy is the long term answer for that role. But it's a key role to address in the offseason.


Alvarado can absolutely fill the backup PG role.

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6/11/2026  11:11 AM
Philc1 wrote:Spurs gonna trade Fox and sign LeFraud to play pg

Fox contract is untradeable. No one wants that.

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6/11/2026  11:11 AM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:

This guy has no credibility. None.
But........I think there might be some truth to it. Why? Big money.
BUt.........Champs have to over come this. Its part of a path. Part of adversity.
Refs could have ****ed us over last night in the comeback. There is so much they an do.
Margins are thin and if you a tema of destiny you have to be better and over come it.
That first half SAS got help, but they were nailing the shots. Refs were not shooting the ball. Spurs were.

At the same time Knicks winnig this is good for business also.
Game 5 won't be easy.
Im sure Spurs fans are crying "Knicks were dirty".....etc.

What ever, not taking my joy away. Saturday night the trophy will be in the house. There for the taking.

Criminals rat out other criminals that’s how our entire law enforcement system works. The guy testifying can’t always be an Eagle Scout with a Bronze Star

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6/11/2026  11:12 AM
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:its crazy because we really havent gotten much from Mitch or Deuce these playoffs.

I mean Deuce hasn't scored a single point these last 2 games and 2.8ppg on 20% shooting in the finals. but sure enough Alvarado has stepped up.

Deuce just isn't a PG, its why he won't get a big contract IMO. nice 3 & D guy but a tweener.

Deuce is the one easily tradable contract that has overlapping talent if the Knicks bring back Shamet and if they want to do something different. And it's a position that they need more ball handling as that is the one area the Knicks can be taken advantage of.

100% agree. They need a high level backup guard who can take ball handling duties and hit shots. If you could combine Deuce and Alvarado it would be a perfect match, but not sure either guy is the long term answer for that role. But it's a key role to address in the offseason.


Alvarado can absolutely fill the backup PG role.

I think we can do better, if he can't fix his shot.

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6/11/2026  11:12 AM
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
Philc1 wrote:Spurs gonna trade Fox and sign LeFraud to play pg

Fox contract is untradeable. No one wants that.

Not if Silver promises a top 3 pick in the lottery

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6/11/2026  11:14 AM
DLeethal wrote:
Garrett2010PSD wrote:
DLeethal wrote:
martin wrote:
nycericanguy wrote:its crazy because we really havent gotten much from Mitch or Deuce these playoffs.

I mean Deuce hasn't scored a single point these last 2 games and 2.8ppg on 20% shooting in the finals. but sure enough Alvarado has stepped up.

Deuce just isn't a PG, its why he won't get a big contract IMO. nice 3 & D guy but a tweener.

Deuce is the one easily tradable contract that has overlapping talent if the Knicks bring back Shamet and if they want to do something different. And it's a position that they need more ball handling as that is the one area the Knicks can be taken advantage of.

100% agree. They need a high level backup guard who can take ball handling duties and hit shots. If you could combine Deuce and Alvarado it would be a perfect match, but not sure either guy is the long term answer for that role. But it's a key role to address in the offseason.


Alvarado can absolutely fill the backup PG role.

I think we can do better, if he can't fix his shot.

He's not a bad shooter and I like his grit, defense, and toughness. If you can do better, go for it. That would be a helluva player.

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6/11/2026  11:21 AM
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martin wrote:Ball handling is the Knicks biggest weakness. Then backup center.

How can we fix it for next season? Alvarado and Kolek are mostly backup PGs, but it would seem like we need a good ball handler for the starting SG.

Backup C can be solved but you start by keeping Mitch, please.

Back to this season:

Alvarado has been huge in his minutes and after all the hate he gets from some, I’m so happy for him. Looking at him is like seeing one of us fans out there close to winning a championship for your home team. You can’t tell this means the world to him and he has been huge in all aspects of the game, from his huge three, his ballhandling and also his tough play on Wemby.

I agree with you: for all except about 3 teams in the NBA, Mitch is an elite level backup C who also causes havoc to the other teams as well as any starter could. Knicks gotta bring him back no matter what, realistically, they have no better solution at the moment. At this point in his career, Mitch is a backup C. Health, FT's. I can't see another team dipping into cap space to give him >$17M a year to play < 20mpg and need to take off all back to back games and perhaps some more? Which team risks that? Last time Mitch was a full time starter was 2022-23. A team could offer him MLE money for 4 years, that's what the Knicks will need to contend with?

For ball handlers? I think Knicks are not in too bad of a situation and these guys have been marinating some: Kolek, Mo, McCullar. It seems like the Knicks took the strategy of not playing those guys some time after the trade deadline, keep with the vets and ride Deuce, Shamet, Clarkson, GTA. Got the Knicks to the 3-1 spot in the finals but this seems to be one area to upgrade.

IMO Kolek proved himself during the regular season enough. Maybe not at playoff level but he was good. Mo has some proving to do and that rotation spot is his to lose.

Would another team offer GTA max MLE money for 3+ years? Would the Knicks match it to keep him?

I can't see the Knicks not doing something to upgrade their wing/guard/ball handler roster spot with Deuce and/or picks.

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6/11/2026  11:24 AM
HOF level tweet here

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6/11/2026  11:25 AM
martin wrote:HOF level tweet here

ROTFL!

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6/11/2026  11:30 AM
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6/11/2026  11:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2026  11:35 AM
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:

This guy has no credibility. None.
But........I think there might be some truth to it. Why? Big money.
BUt.........Champs have to over come this. Its part of a path. Part of adversity.

Refs could have ****ed us over last night in the comeback. There is so much they an do.
Margins are thin and if you a tema of destiny you have to be better and over come it.
That first half SAS got help, but they were nailing the shots. Refs were not shooting the ball. Spurs were.

At the same time Knicks winnig this is good for business also.
Game 5 won't be easy.
Im sure Spurs fans are crying "Knicks were dirty".....etc.

What ever, not taking my joy away. Saturday night the trophy will be in the house. There for the taking.

Yep.

What's better for the NBA, the players, TV, merchandizing, etc., 4 games or more than 4 games?

I actually don't mind this - I already look at each game as a stand alone, have to get a feel for how different officials are calling the game, just like different umps have slightly different strike zones. If you're getting away with something in Games 1 and 2, of course the league should review and adjust

BUT even in that scenario, the calls have to be called consistently for both teams. I can get over refs calling KAT for hooking an arm. I can't get over the blind eye to obvious fouls in anyone's world, like Wemby's dirty **** on Jose in Gm2 or Brunson in Gm3 (which somehow they still don't upgrade afterwards because of repurcussions), the lone tech on Mitch during their pushing in the post, etc. it feels like every controversial call is against NY.

I am admittedly biased and aware of it. But that's why the OBVIOUS calls bug me so much. The noncall on the goaltending last night from Kornet? That's like the text book example you'd show a 3rd grader learning the game!

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6/11/2026  11:33 AM
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6/11/2026  11:40 AM
MaTT4281 wrote:
martin wrote:
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:

This guy has no credibility. None.
But........I think there might be some truth to it. Why? Big money.
BUt.........Champs have to over come this. Its part of a path. Part of adversity.

Refs could have ****ed us over last night in the comeback. There is so much they an do.
Margins are thin and if you a tema of destiny you have to be better and over come it.
That first half SAS got help, but they were nailing the shots. Refs were not shooting the ball. Spurs were.

At the same time Knicks winnig this is good for business also.
Game 5 won't be easy.
Im sure Spurs fans are crying "Knicks were dirty".....etc.

What ever, not taking my joy away. Saturday night the trophy will be in the house. There for the taking.

Yep.

What's better for the NBA, the players, TV, merchandizing, etc., 4 games or more than 4 games?

I actually don't mind this - I already look at each game as a stand alone, have to get a feel for how different officials are calling the game, just like different umps have slightly different strike zones. If you're getting away with something in Games 1 and 2, of course the league should review and adjust

BUT even in that scenario, the calls have to be called evenly over both teams. I can get over refs calling KAT for hooking an arm. I can't get over the blind eye to obvious fouls in anyone's world, like Wemby's dirty **** on Jose in Gm2 or Brunson in Gm3 (which somehow they still don't upgrade afterwards because of repurcussions), the lone tech on Mitch during their pushing in the post, etc. it feels like every controversial call is against NY.

I am admittedly biased and aware of it. But that's why the OBVIOUS calls bug me so much. The noncall on the goaltending last night from Kornet? That's like the text book example you'd show a 3rd grader learning the game!

Yeah, the game to game, I can deal that cause it's a team adjustment on both sides.

Does everyone get the sense that the Knicks are actually probably GSW 2015+ level good and it's kinda sorta being masked by some of this nonsense? And also some ****ty play on their own too?

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6/11/2026  11:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2026  11:43 AM
I still cannot believe what we saw last night! Something out of a movie! This is not normal! Makes you think if divine intervention or something super natural and unexplained is happening. To come back down 27 at halftime after how we played and how they shot and how the game was being called is just the craziest thing I've ever seen!

OG's tip in will go down as the GREATEST play in Knicks history! Everything has to go right for it happen from how Brunson misses and how the ball hits the rim to how hard and how OG tips the ball. Just an insane special shot! We'll never forget it!!! You also need a lot of luck to come back and win a game like this. Spurs chocked and did us a lot of favors. Wemby missing those 2 FT's, Fox stupidly taking a shot and getting blocked by OG instead of just holding onto the ball and getting fouled. I honestly think karma has a lot to do it. These Spurs have not conducted themselves as a humble team. They've been dirty and arrogant. The game shifted when Wemby got another flagrant.

Shoutout to Mike Brown for pushing the right buttons. What did he say to these guys at halftime? Stuff of legends! Putting GTA5 out there with Brunson changed the game. His ball pressure, ability to get into the paint, toughness and defense was huge. We needed some toughness and GTA5 getting physical with Wemby was huge. He also had two clutch shots late in the game.

So glad we finished this comeback cause I can't imagine how Josh Hart would have felt if we didn't. I love Hart and that was so uncharacteristic of him to miss that dunk/layup and give up that offensive rebound.

3-1 and 1 more to go. I cannot believe it. So glad these players have way more resiliency than I did as a fan going into this game. In my defense it's my Knicks PTSD. I'm just not used to things working out like this!

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6/11/2026  12:02 PM
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6/11/2026  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2026  12:42 PM
martin wrote:

Been saying how important it was to have guys crash the boards since you have Wemby challenging most shots and leaving opportunities for offensive rebounds. Funny thing was that KAT was also there for the last shot follow up if OG missed the tap in. Hoping they do more of that the rest of the series. .
Funny cuz I felt JB had OG wide open but credit to OG for crashing the boards regardless. He commented after the game that coach Brown challenged him to use his athleticism to get offensive rebounds.
Props also to Brown for missing Jose to relieve pressure from JB.
Incredible win. Gotta close them out though.

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6/11/2026  12:07 PM
SergioNYK wrote:I still cannot believe what we saw last night! Something out of a movie! This is not normal! Makes you think if divine intervention or something super natural and unexplained is happening. To come back down 27 at halftime after how we played and how they shot and how the game was being called is just the craziest thing I've ever seen!

OG's tip in will go down as the GREATEST play in Knicks history! Everything has to go right for it happen from how Brunson misses and how the ball hits the rim to how hard and how OG tips the ball. Just an insane special shot! We'll never forget it!!! You also need a lot of luck to come back and win a game like this. Spurs chocked and did us a lot of favors. Wemby missing those 2 FT's, Fox stupidly taking a shot and getting blocked by OG instead of just holding onto the ball and getting fouled. I honestly think karma has a lot to do it. These Spurs have not conducted themselves as a humble team. They've been dirty and arrogant. The game shifted when Wemby got another flagrant.

Shoutout to Mike Brown for pushing the right buttons. What did he say to these guys at halftime? Stuff of legends! Putting GTA5 out there with Brunson changed the game. His ball pressure, ability to get into the paint, toughness and defense was huge. We needed some toughness and GTA5 getting physical with Wemby was huge. He also had two clutch shots late in the game.

So glad we finished this comeback cause I can't imagine how Josh Hart would have felt if we didn't. I love Hart and that was so uncharacteristic of him to miss that dunk/layup and give up that offensive rebound.

3-1 and 1 more to go. I cannot believe it. So glad these players have way more resiliency than I did as a fan going into this game. In my defense it's my Knicks PTSD. I'm just not used to things working out like this!

and all that being said, we missed alot of ops ourselves and the refs missed calls for us.

Hart missed the layup, Alvarados shot was clearly goaltended, then the other way back Wemby probably had basket interference. so we still had alot of moments where things didn't go our way and we overcame it.

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6/11/2026  12:08 PM
OG having stretches where he just realizes he is the most athletic player on the court

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