Knicksfan wrote:This makes me so mad. Not the loss, because while it is frustrating, I can’t ignore the huge elephant on the room:

The Spurs have been allowed to become the spoiled brat that gets his way through illegal shoving and hitting. Last night was a disgrace to the sport.

And we as fans get frustrated and hope for our team to hit back, but should they do it the same blatant way just to hit right back? I, as furious as I am right now, even I hit the breaks a bit on it.

The thing is that the Spurs are playing like children that didn’t get the toy they wanted so they will just push, shove and break anything on their way. The fact that they are being allowed to do so in such a blatant way reminds me of the many times I’ve just wanted to stop watching the NBA product.

Our Knicks were out of sorts and played badly last night? Try doing your job the right way while your coworkers hit you and make illegal stuff and tell me that won’t affect you? They still had many runs on the game so they were still the team we love, but everytime there was a ref calling us a foul while their tackling and shoving was simply ignored.

Last night was disgraceful for the NBA. Putrid! Now it’s not just like the Knicks have to win for this to be fair, but if the NBA and the refs let San Antonio tackle and shove their way to a dirty championship, I might quit for good on this pathetic irresponsible and corrupt league.

I agree it was a very bad look for NBA but frankly it was smart of the Spurs. It took us out of our flow and passing and Brunson kept dribbling into it intent on showing them who was boss (it wasn’t him)

If OG and Hart didn’t shoot so well we’d be screaming about a lot more than the refs.

Then he gets on pregame and gets cream puff questions like “ tell us how wonderful yours doing to combat tanking” and no one mentions that here we are in finals w Spurs as exhibit A of tanking (keep in mind OKC not so much, and Knicks and Cavs definitely not)

No one asks about the horrible calls in game 2. It’s embarrassing and insulting. It’s not like they need to be aggressive w the questions either just professional.

You’re worried about tanking but nothing to say about bad, not borderline, calls in the age of betting and w ostensible motives of not suspending Wemby or wanting a longer series.

Clean wrote:apparently the reason why refs refuse to give Wemby a flagrant no matter what he does is because the next one he gets suspended. So he can do anything and they will not call it.

If that's right, then the next time he assaults a knick, they need to go back hard at him, and accept a double T.

So many unforced TO's, we simply weren't sharp.

Spurs are getting a favorably whistle, 27 fouls against us in the 2nd half, only 8 against SA. You can't tell me we are fouling that much more when SA has really been the more physical team and picking up Brunson full court almost every time up.

Spurs being low key dirty, especially Wemby... I mean not even low key with him, the hits on GTA & Brunson, I'd love to see him try that on OG or Mitch. Not only were NIETHER called flagrants, neither were even called fouls at all. Refs conveniently didn't see either. Part of me feels like Wemby is playing with different rules b/c he's the new golden boy in the NBA. But his play has been a disgrace at times.

Disappointed in the crowd too, only cheered if we were doing well. Was dead quiet otherwise. That place should have been chanting DEFENSE for 48 minutes even if we were down a few points.

We all understand going with what got you there, but you also need to react situationally and that still is a bit of an issue in NY. It's great that the bench has been used effectively, that they are ready willing & able, and that the starters still have their legs, but playing to win isn't always about relying on what "always" works.

The only good thing I can think of, is that the Knicks still haven't played well against the Spurs...and not because the Spurs are such a force on defense or that SA's offense is impeccable.

I still worry that the league (Silver) wants Wemby so bad that they'll give them the series instead of just letting him save face by not getting swept. It's gonna be hard to watch the game tomorrow.

Wemby? He is tall. He is the future. He does have a bit to him. Knicks are going after him hard also. He hit his shots down the stretch.
Knicks have handled him well prior to last night. They adjusted a bit to free him up.

The series is not a coronation as hoped. Its a battle.

nycericanguy wrote:Have we gone away from KAT centric offense or are the Spurs taking it away? I can't tell.

So many unforced TO's, we simply weren't sharp.

Spurs are getting a favorably whistle, 27 fouls against us in the 2nd half, only 8 against SA. You can't tell me we are fouling that much more when SA has really been the more physical team and picking up Brunson full court almost every time up.

Spurs being low key dirty, especially Wemby... I mean not even low key with him, the hits on GTA & Brunson, I'd love to see him try that on OG or Mitch. Not only were NIETHER called flagrants, neither were even called fouls at all. Refs conveniently didn't see either. Part of me feels like Wemby is playing with different rules b/c he's the new golden boy in the NBA. But his play has been a disgrace at times.

They didn’t guard Towns with Wemby at all last night. When Wemby is roaming there simply is no path for the Towns facilitator actions. Those action rely on cutters and nobody can score when Wemby is patrolling. This will be a jump shooting series for us to win IMO. Landry, Deuce, Mikal are critical to chip in a couple 3s each.

But we definitely went away from ball movement. Knicks looked shaky will the ball from the opening tip. Couldn’t make simple passes, everyone throwing the ball away, I think that set the tone for everyone to leave Brunson on an island more than usual. Saw so many possessions where Brunson or someone else was getting smothered and nobody came to screen or help facilitate a good possession.

but we really need Brunson to be more efficient, cant we win this with him shooting so poorly?