nycericanguy wrote:I think one promising thing about Randle was he was developing a nice two man game with Brunson where he rolled and attacked to the basket. his 3pt attempts were at their lowest since his 1st year here.

There was a point in time where we probably needed Randle to shoot a ton of 3's. But in truth he's probably best as a finisher and we were seeing that for a bit. We have enough shooting and spacing on this team now where Randle can probably play the finisher role more and just be an efficient 20+ scorer/rebounder.

so are we better without Randle? IDK, but he's a damn good piece and he has 2 years left on his deal. I think if anything we are in a better position now where we won't have to throw a bad contract at him when he's 32/33. We can just move on if need be in 2 years.

Next year just run it back with Rokas and some cheap young draft talent.

a full year of OG, Bogs + the new Deuce and this team should win 60 ish games.

nycericanguy wrote:I think one promising thing about Randle was he was developing a nice two man game with Brunson where he rolled and attacked to the basket. his 3pt attempts were at their lowest since his 1st year here.

There was a point in time where we probably needed Randle to shoot a ton of 3's. But in truth he's probably best as a finisher and we were seeing that for a bit. We have enough shooting and spacing on this team now where Randle can probably play the finisher role more and just be an efficient 20+ scorer/rebounder.

so are we better without Randle? IDK, but he's a damn good piece and he has 2 years left on his deal. I think if anything we are in a better position now where we won't have to throw a bad contract at him when he's 32/33. We can just move on if need be in 2 years.

Next year just run it back with Rokas and some cheap young draft talent.

a full year of OG, Bogs + the new Deuce and this team should win 60 ish games.

I think you explore the right trade if the right guy is available like Giannis. But we don't need to be star gazing. This team is loaded for next year already.

And I think getting RJ out of the way made it much easier for Randle to pound the paint. Brunson - OG - DDV spacing the floor made a world of difference.

DLeethal wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Pacers have to be demoralized in a game where they shoot 55 pct, Brunson misses a quarter, OG misses a quarter, Hali scores 30, Obi scores 20, they are up 10 at the half and lose.

Tell me how this team does it. They are incredible.

great post... it's really hard to respect the Pacers. Just zero killer instinct. Look at how tough the Knicks were on the road in Phili (I know their homecourt is trash). You just see none of that from the Pacers.

I REALLY want to win this series. I think somehow making the ECF with what's left of this squad is a great season. We have learned so much. Brunson a true 1a and closer. Josh and Donte are legit big game players. OG is a phucking menace... We have a friendly roster, extra pics and only 1 guy (IHart) in danger of not coming back.

I see us reloading w/ Randle and maybe a high end bench guy if they go a different direction w/ Bogs (I did like how he was looking and his expiring is worth keeping around). Looking more and more like we have a bigtime squad brewing here

I think you gotta roll it back, because what piece fits better than Randle. A more mobile 4 who can stretch the floor and guard multiple positions defensively? I mean who is that person?

Randle gives the team another look. If the rest of the group wears you out, he beats you up. He is Brandon Jacobs. But he is underrated as a shot creator both for himself and others and he is a beast on the defensive glass.

I love Bogs off the bench because he can give you shooting and scoring on nights when others don't have it. I think he was starting to understand the scheme defensively. He is playoff tested and has been an 18-20 pt scorer on contenders. He is a real piece.

We have 2 drafts picks and Rokas. Keep Hartenstein and draft a replacement for Precious if there is no way to re-sign him.

I think if we didn't have the 14-1 stretch with Randle healthy there would be more doubt, but we showed we have another level to play with him and that the pieces all fit brilliantly with him in tow. I'm glad we got that stretch of play because if not, I think everyone would be talking about us being better without him.

totally agree.. we have surely seen players elevate and grow in his absence which is great and NOT the same as being better without him. Most of all the thing w/ Randle/OG/DD/Brunson/Hart is they all want to WIN first and everything else is 2nd. There's no egos to stroke there. They all push each other to be better and accountable

The one thing I could potentially see being an issue is whether or not Hart will be content with a 25mpg backup role. He complained about his role early in the season and he has been unleashed, playing insane mins, getting lots of national media love. He's a pro but I could see that becoming a bit of an issue. You kind of have to give him all the backup 3 and backup 4 mins.

Josh is very much a 2nd half player. No reason he cant get 30mpg off the bench. He can slide into 2/3/4 in most any of our line ups. He can start in any of those spots if someone goes down. Hardest thing is who does he play in crunch time?

VDesai wrote:I don't think we have to worry about Hart's role or minutes under Thibs. Slow start to the year when we had a glut of wings, but Thibs at this point asks Josh to do everything possible on the basketball court for every single minute of the game and Josh obliges. I don't see how that situation changes anytime soon. He guards 5 positions, grabs every rebound/loose ball, starts every fast break, gets triple doubles, hits clutch 3's and then curses out Reggie Miller on national TV. What does this guy not do?

If that's not the perfect summary, then I don't know what is.

fishmike wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Pacers have to be demoralized in a game where they shoot 55 pct, Brunson misses a quarter, OG misses a quarter, Hali scores 30, Obi scores 20, they are up 10 at the half and lose.

Tell me how this team does it. They are incredible.

great post... it's really hard to respect the Pacers. Just zero killer instinct. Look at how tough the Knicks were on the road in Phili (I know their homecourt is trash). You just see none of that from the Pacers.

I REALLY want to win this series. I think somehow making the ECF with what's left of this squad is a great season. We have learned so much. Brunson a true 1a and closer. Josh and Donte are legit big game players. OG is a phucking menace... We have a friendly roster, extra pics and only 1 guy (IHart) in danger of not coming back.

I see us reloading w/ Randle and maybe a high end bench guy if they go a different direction w/ Bogs (I did like how he was looking and his expiring is worth keeping around). Looking more and more like we have a bigtime squad brewing here

I think you gotta roll it back, because what piece fits better than Randle. A more mobile 4 who can stretch the floor and guard multiple positions defensively? I mean who is that person?

Randle gives the team another look. If the rest of the group wears you out, he beats you up. He is Brandon Jacobs. But he is underrated as a shot creator both for himself and others and he is a beast on the defensive glass.

I love Bogs off the bench because he can give you shooting and scoring on nights when others don't have it. I think he was starting to understand the scheme defensively. He is playoff tested and has been an 18-20 pt scorer on contenders. He is a real piece.

We have 2 drafts picks and Rokas. Keep Hartenstein and draft a replacement for Precious if there is no way to re-sign him.

I think if we didn't have the 14-1 stretch with Randle healthy there would be more doubt, but we showed we have another level to play with him and that the pieces all fit brilliantly with him in tow. I'm glad we got that stretch of play because if not, I think everyone would be talking about us being better without him.

totally agree.. we have surely seen players elevate and grow in his absence which is great and NOT the same as being better without him. Most of all the thing w/ Randle/OG/DD/Brunson/Hart is they all want to WIN first and everything else is 2nd. There's no egos to stroke there. They all push each other to be better and accountable

The one thing I could potentially see being an issue is whether or not Hart will be content with a 25mpg backup role. He complained about his role early in the season and he has been unleashed, playing insane mins, getting lots of national media love. He's a pro but I could see that becoming a bit of an issue. You kind of have to give him all the backup 3 and backup 4 mins.

he's the perfect 6th man for Thibs... he's the new Deng. I see him as our Iggy.

Josh is very much a 2nd half player. No reason he cant get 30mpg off the bench. He can slide into 2/3/4 in most any of our line ups. He can start in any of those spots if someone goes down. Hardest thing is who does he play in crunch time?

Yea he probably has the Iggy role and IIRC, he finished a lot of games at the 2 spot when everyone was healthy. He was more of a game finisher than DDV.

Why are we fretting about minutes? The game itself will decide that. Winning cures a lot of ills. People less frustrated when we get the W

We’re a 60 win team next year with OG and full squad. I’m going to tattoo my ass right now, that’s how confident i am in that

Really. Not really (really about 60, not really about the tattoo)

Chandler wrote:To borrow Aaron Boone’s phrase: these guys are a bunch of savages

Why are we fretting about minutes? The game itself will decide that. Winning cures a lot of ills. People less frustrated when we get the W

We’re a 60 win team next year with OG and full squad. I’m going to tattoo my ass right now, that’s how confident i am in that

Really. Not really (really about 60, not really about the tattoo)

If they stay healthy- and or if they can find 2 long athletic role players with their late first rounders. Both of these are big ifs- but I trust that this FO finally has started to get smart and maybe get lucky. No reason we can’t finally get a run a little like what the Heat built when Riley first got there.

DLeethal wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

fishmike wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:Pacers have to be demoralized in a game where they shoot 55 pct, Brunson misses a quarter, OG misses a quarter, Hali scores 30, Obi scores 20, they are up 10 at the half and lose.

Tell me how this team does it. They are incredible.

great post... it's really hard to respect the Pacers. Just zero killer instinct. Look at how tough the Knicks were on the road in Phili (I know their homecourt is trash). You just see none of that from the Pacers.

I REALLY want to win this series. I think somehow making the ECF with what's left of this squad is a great season. We have learned so much. Brunson a true 1a and closer. Josh and Donte are legit big game players. OG is a phucking menace... We have a friendly roster, extra pics and only 1 guy (IHart) in danger of not coming back.

I see us reloading w/ Randle and maybe a high end bench guy if they go a different direction w/ Bogs (I did like how he was looking and his expiring is worth keeping around). Looking more and more like we have a bigtime squad brewing here

I think you gotta roll it back, because what piece fits better than Randle. A more mobile 4 who can stretch the floor and guard multiple positions defensively? I mean who is that person?

Randle gives the team another look. If the rest of the group wears you out, he beats you up. He is Brandon Jacobs. But he is underrated as a shot creator both for himself and others and he is a beast on the defensive glass.

I love Bogs off the bench because he can give you shooting and scoring on nights when others don't have it. I think he was starting to understand the scheme defensively. He is playoff tested and has been an 18-20 pt scorer on contenders. He is a real piece.

We have 2 drafts picks and Rokas. Keep Hartenstein and draft a replacement for Precious if there is no way to re-sign him.

I think if we didn't have the 14-1 stretch with Randle healthy there would be more doubt, but we showed we have another level to play with him and that the pieces all fit brilliantly with him in tow. I'm glad we got that stretch of play because if not, I think everyone would be talking about us being better without him.

totally agree.. we have surely seen players elevate and grow in his absence which is great and NOT the same as being better without him. Most of all the thing w/ Randle/OG/DD/Brunson/Hart is they all want to WIN first and everything else is 2nd. There's no egos to stroke there. They all push each other to be better and accountable

The one thing I could potentially see being an issue is whether or not Hart will be content with a 25mpg backup role. He complained about his role early in the season and he has been unleashed, playing insane mins, getting lots of national media love. He's a pro but I could see that becoming a bit of an issue. You kind of have to give him all the backup 3 and backup 4 mins.

he's the perfect 6th man for Thibs... he's the new Deng. I see him as our Iggy.

Josh is very much a 2nd half player. No reason he cant get 30mpg off the bench. He can slide into 2/3/4 in most any of our line ups. He can start in any of those spots if someone goes down. Hardest thing is who does he play in crunch time?

Yea he probably has the Iggy role and IIRC, he finished a lot of games at the 2 spot when everyone was healthy. He was more of a game finisher than DDV.

What an amazing problem to have. Josh Hart is putting up 18/12/5/1/1 on 43% from 3 in the last 8 playoff games. Now, his per 36 actually takes those numbers down a significant margin since he is playing over 46 mins a game on average. But he is certainly able to fit into the position-less basketball model. The chemistry between him and Brunson is undeniable. There is a world here Hart starts at the 2 and DDV gets free reign to shoot as 6th. Tough decisions.

Brunson / Joku /
DDV / Deuce / Milton
OG / Hart / Burks
Randle / Bogs / Achiuwa
iHart / Robinson / Sims

I mean, without any moves and keeping what we have, we have a pretty solid core there.

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fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I think one promising thing about Randle was he was developing a nice two man game with Brunson where he rolled and attacked to the basket. his 3pt attempts were at their lowest since his 1st year here.

There was a point in time where we probably needed Randle to shoot a ton of 3's. But in truth he's probably best as a finisher and we were seeing that for a bit. We have enough shooting and spacing on this team now where Randle can probably play the finisher role more and just be an efficient 20+ scorer/rebounder.

so are we better without Randle? IDK, but he's a damn good piece and he has 2 years left on his deal. I think if anything we are in a better position now where we won't have to throw a bad contract at him when he's 32/33. We can just move on if need be in 2 years.

Next year just run it back with Rokas and some cheap young draft talent.

a full year of OG, Bogs + the new Deuce and this team should win 60 ish games.

I think you explore the right trade if the right guy is available like Giannis. But we don't need to be star gazing. This team is loaded for next year already.

And I think getting RJ out of the way made it much easier for Randle to pound the paint. Brunson - OG - DDV spacing the floor made a world of difference.

Randle for Bridges would make a lot of sense for both teams. Nets need an alpha and we need a quality complementary piece. Randle will find a way to reintegrate with the team. Be like water. We are better with him than without him. I originally thought Randle and Brunsons contracts were structured to opt out and allow the Knicks to drop under the cap to sign a 3rd tier A player but I think the cap rules have changed that plan.

omg no it doesnt... pls stop

It makes sense to those who had "trade Randle" burned into their synapses and they can't shake loose.

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I think one promising thing about Randle was he was developing a nice two man game with Brunson where he rolled and attacked to the basket. his 3pt attempts were at their lowest since his 1st year here.

There was a point in time where we probably needed Randle to shoot a ton of 3's. But in truth he's probably best as a finisher and we were seeing that for a bit. We have enough shooting and spacing on this team now where Randle can probably play the finisher role more and just be an efficient 20+ scorer/rebounder.

so are we better without Randle? IDK, but he's a damn good piece and he has 2 years left on his deal. I think if anything we are in a better position now where we won't have to throw a bad contract at him when he's 32/33. We can just move on if need be in 2 years.

Next year just run it back with Rokas and some cheap young draft talent.

a full year of OG, Bogs + the new Deuce and this team should win 60 ish games.

I think you explore the right trade if the right guy is available like Giannis. But we don't need to be star gazing. This team is loaded for next year already.

And I think getting RJ out of the way made it much easier for Randle to pound the paint. Brunson - OG - DDV spacing the floor made a world of difference.

Randle for Bridges would make a lot of sense for both teams. Nets need an alpha and we need a quality complementary piece. Randle will find a way to reintegrate with the team. Be like water. We are better with him than without him. I originally thought Randle and Brunsons contracts were structured to opt out and allow the Knicks to drop under the cap to sign a 3rd tier A player but I think the cap rules have changed that plan.

omg no it doesnt... pls stop

Randle is the better player by far. I was just suggesting that with Brunson becoming so successful dominating the ball, a role player might fit better. Randle/Brunson were definitely making progress learning how to share the ball