mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Fisher should've brought in KP and Galloway around the 4-5 minute mark. Not the 1 minute mark.

Also, did they post up Afflalo a single time all night?

Also, Lance Thomas just got a shot off! Hey look at that, he's 9-9 from the field.

We needed better decisions from the coach and the point guards tonight. Grant was not the answer.

KP in for rolo? Too many problems with that. And even on offense where KP was not really able to do anything against the magic, at least lopez was setting killer picks.

Gallo in for Grant for sure. AA had post ups but orlando played it very well. AA was plain bad tonight.

Orlando crushed us on picks tonight. CRUSHED!!

Fair enough - Orlando just has bruising athletes at every position. They are more physical and athletic than the Knicks. It's a bad matchup for them, I guess.

I mean, I watched most of the game and I did not see Afflalo get the ball in good position very often. Maybe that's on him.

And, yes, I would have tried KP on Vucevic down the stretch. Rolo could not stop him at all. I think Vucevic hit his last 5 shots in a row on Rolo in the 4th quarter. He just cooked him, inside and out.

nyknickzingis wrote:

matt wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Magic scored on 9 of their last 10 possessions.

Where the hell were KP and Galloway.

Did not like Fisher's substitutions tonight. Not at all.

Brutal.. Why play grant so much?

You've had a rotation and pecking order that's been going on - a 4 game win streak. I get that Quinn got hurt, but what you do is give those minutes to either Lopez or Porzingis (Lopez because he wasn't closing regularly so he has the fresh legs). And you stick with everything else the same. Instead we saw Sasha/Seraphin in the 1st, we saw weird, real weird sub patterns in the 2nd half as well. Grant played well, but Galloway/Afflalo backcourt with Thomas/Melo and Zinger up front are clearly the best lineup we have.

Horrendous sub patterns tonight. I gave Fisher a pass last season based on the situation and lack of talent, but this year? He's been average at best. I think a better smarter coach has this team 3-4 wins above .500 - this is NOT the first game we've lost with poor sub patterns. It's been maybe the 5th or 6th. Early on in the season, that's a somewhat reasonable excuse that a coach is trying to figure things out, but 30 games in nearly he's still experimenting with Sasha/Seraphin and trying to make R Lopez into Pau Gasol. It's really frustrating he simply can't grasp what Dirk Nowitzki picked up in about 1 game - that the toughest cover for the league when they play the Knicks is when they go Porzingis/Melo at 5/4.

I didn't......I said his substitution patterns last year was horrible. And I have the same lack of confidence. Fisher is a great leader and former player.....But he really needs help with his subs patterns. I like having Grant in there, but you don't just throw him in crunch time after several DNPs......But their center and PG killed us in crunch time.

SocraticBallin22 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Despite the poor finish there were some good signs. Jerian needs to play more! We need KOQ to get healthy!

Yes! Despite what others have said, love that Fish finally let Grant play some crunch time minutes. He played well. He is not the reason we lost the game. He will only get better, the more he plays. And we saw a lot of positive signs.

He was left in too long. Over-pursued on D and Fournier punished him for it. Having said that I was glad he came in game and he contributed but in the 4th Galloway should have been in sooner and grant needed to sit

mreinman wrote:we had 4 wide open 3 that were just back breaking misses.

This is true. And Lance fumbled two passes that would've led to buckets - he had a great night, not blaming him.

But a lot of things added up to this just not feeling like our night.

Knicks played pretty well and just got flat beat in a lot of matchups. Lance was tremendous, Melo played very well, Rolo good on O, terrible on D. Not enough other guys stepped up.

I do think Fisher was too quick with the hook on KP though. He was altering shots, blocking shots, the Magic players would hesitate and miss shots when he was in the game. KP even hit a 3 early in the third, sometimes a sign he's heating up, and Fish immediately yanked him. Not sure what was up with KP tonight.

blkexec wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

matt wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Magic scored on 9 of their last 10 possessions.

Where the hell were KP and Galloway.

Did not like Fisher's substitutions tonight. Not at all.

Brutal.. Why play grant so much?

You've had a rotation and pecking order that's been going on - a 4 game win streak. I get that Quinn got hurt, but what you do is give those minutes to either Lopez or Porzingis (Lopez because he wasn't closing regularly so he has the fresh legs). And you stick with everything else the same. Instead we saw Sasha/Seraphin in the 1st, we saw weird, real weird sub patterns in the 2nd half as well. Grant played well, but Galloway/Afflalo backcourt with Thomas/Melo and Zinger up front are clearly the best lineup we have.

Horrendous sub patterns tonight. I gave Fisher a pass last season based on the situation and lack of talent, but this year? He's been average at best. I think a better smarter coach has this team 3-4 wins above .500 - this is NOT the first game we've lost with poor sub patterns. It's been maybe the 5th or 6th. Early on in the season, that's a somewhat reasonable excuse that a coach is trying to figure things out, but 30 games in nearly he's still experimenting with Sasha/Seraphin and trying to make R Lopez into Pau Gasol. It's really frustrating he simply can't grasp what Dirk Nowitzki picked up in about 1 game - that the toughest cover for the league when they play the Knicks is when they go Porzingis/Melo at 5/4.

I didn't......I said his substitution patterns last year was horrible. And I have the same lack of confidence. Fisher is a great leader and former player.....But he really needs help with his subs patterns. I like having Grant in there, but you don't just throw him in crunch time after several DNPs......But their center and PG killed us in crunch time.

Coaching wise I've been very very unimpressed with his work. I know he's a 2nd year guy and learning as well, but in terms of sub patterns, they're just as bad as last year. Phil being the great coach he was, has to see how limited Fisher is, and hopefully at some point will make a change if Fisher does not improve by season's end. This Knicks roster is damn good, in comparison to last year. Fisher can not be making rookie mistakes like this in important games.

Malcolm wrote:We're all over the place in our comments here . . . except that we agree that Calderon offers no hope.

AND that Seraphin was brutal in place of an injured KOQ!!! Seraphin COMPLETELY destroyed the flow of the bench unit!!! KOQ with his passing and defense would've been soooooo much better!!!

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