smackeddog wrote:Can't believe people are arguing whether it was Kidd or Melo who won us the game. The real MVP was McGee- seemed like he had a hand in every play we made during our runs.

Up until now I've occasionally looked at his stats and wondered why he gets such a bad rap when he's putting up double doubles in under 20 mins. This game explained why- he has a certain knack for making mistakes that are directly converted into points by the other team.

McGee played like 15 minutes. It was a winnable game for Den., down the stretch. The Great Gallo just could not get it done.

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

tkf wrote:lawson is fast!

Just like you were to get off the internet after our Knicks victory. You were fast to run before hiding under a rock postgame. We all know if Denver would've won, you would've posted up a storm. But, Melo out played your favorite basketball player in the whole wide whole in Gallo, Melo destroyed Gallo during the clutch sitatuons of the 4th quarter and our 15-5 New York Knicks beat your favorite 10-11 Denver Nuggets team. You have too much pride to admit you were wrong about not only the trade, but also our Knicks of this year. So, instead of being a true sport and making it known you were wrong as a Knicks fan, you go and hide under a rock after games such as this one. Too funny.

You had 13 post's during the game but yet, only two post's after the Knicks won. The first post after the game was giving credit to Gallo for his losing ways. Then it only took two post's after the game before you stated... "later yall". 13 post's during the game. Only two post's after the game before stating... "LATER YA'LL"?!? Looks like someone who was unhappy with a Knicks victory and/or Denver loss. So instead? You went and hid under a rock.

LOL.. you know I could have come here after the bulls gave us the rundown... I don't get your infatuation with me.. If this theory holds true, then why didn't I post at all in the bulls thread? If I were happy with the knicks losing, I would have come in then.. right? dude, You are reaching, enjoy the win, and stop following me... the infatuation is odd...

want my number?

TKF trolls this board like a pro then claims people are infatuated with him when they call him the turd that he is. LMAO!

another one of my fans.... ahhhhhhhhh...

At least you are not denying the fact that you are a troll at very best and a turd at very worst. I know the Knicks being 15-5 while Lin sucks and Den. is sub .500 burns your soul kid. LMAO!!!!!

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks went on a 12-0 run with melo on the bench and gallo on the bench. hard for you to acknowledge that for some reason so i repeat it for you.

how is gallo supposed to facilitate when lawson is on the floor? if you are going to ask a rhetorical question at least make it a valid one and not misdirection.

this "putting the team on his back" stuff is where you go into profound fool's gold mode.

When Gallo came in the score was 92-88 in favor of the Knicks. Who gives a **** about whether it was a 50-0 run. The game was winnable for Denver.

Gallo choked and Melo lit his ass up. Gallo is a shooter. He had plenty of opportunities to let that 3 ball fly and match Melo's output those last 4 minutes but didn't.

Keep it real man.

Melo did his thing during winning time....but the team took control of the game with him on the bench and basically ran the offense through Kidd who had a more significant impact overall in the game.

Melo is having a good season, he's getting recognized for the things he's doing well which is primarily scoring but the Knicks are having success with contributions coming from everyone.

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

Felton and Smith didnt have good games and Melo picked up the slack.

If Gallo saw Igoudala and Faried weren't having good games why didn't he try to compensate? He just essential let his team lose.

melo did very little to pick up the slack. he remains a volume shooter whose positive impact on the game remains overhyped. jason kidd picked up the slack, again.

the game was close right to the end and the knicks went on a 12-0 run with both gallo and melo on the bench. you need to see the whole game and digest the goings-on. sounds like all you did was look at the points he scored and not how he scored them, and that he made a very nice drive on gallinari from the left side to help seal a victory. yay melo. you seem like a fool's gold viewer, looking for shiny stuff and believing it has genuine value.

gallo let his team lose? nah i don't see it that way. he is a role player, a borderline all-star reserve, and played his role as dictated by his coach. it's lawson's role to orchestrate and he falls short in that area which holds the nuggets back. notice that lawson's shooting has gone down and he can't make up for it in other areas.

now how does gallinari help iguodala from committing 5 turnovers? or help faried from getting his usual number of offensive rebounds?

i understand that gallinari is a sensitive touchstone and we all know how important this game was to melo and gallo.

like i said it was a good duel between those two and the knicks won.

I guess you know more than the NBA analyst, Ex-players, some who are going to the HOF, and coaches. Why even bother listening to them break down Melo's impact on the game, we should just listen to you.

He knows more than the people you think are experts, yes. He may not know more than the real experts though like David Berri and Bill James. I sure don't.

Hersports85 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks went on a 12-0 run with melo on the bench and gallo on the bench. hard for you to acknowledge that for some reason so i repeat it for you.

how is gallo supposed to facilitate when lawson is on the floor? if you are going to ask a rhetorical question at least make it a valid one and not misdirection.

this "putting the team on his back" stuff is where you go into profound fool's gold mode.

When Gallo came in the score was 92-88 in favor of the Knicks. Who gives a **** about whether it was a 50-0 run. The game was winnable for Denver.

Gallo choked and Melo lit his ass up. Gallo is a shooter. He had plenty of opportunities to let that 3 ball fly and match Melo's output those last 4 minutes but didn't.

Keep it real man.

Melo did his thing during winning time....but the team took control of the game with him on the bench and basically ran the offense through Kidd who had a more significant impact overall in the game.

Melo is having a good season, he's getting recognized for the things he's doing well which is primarily scoring but the Knicks are having success with contributions coming from everyone.

Good post. I don't think anyone can argue with this. No one is trying to say Melo is Jordan, it's just frustrating when some posters try to pretend that Melo is doing nothing to contribute to the success we are having and trying to point out the littlest things to make a point or further an agenda.

question? Does saying Melo is an all star but not a legit MVP mean Im hating on his and refusing to give him any credit? Maybe you folks could get together and produce some protocols or guidlines on how to acknowledge Melo is playing well? Seems to be some confusion regarding this... Thanks!

3G4G wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks went on a 12-0 run with melo on the bench and gallo on the bench. hard for you to acknowledge that for some reason so i repeat it for you.

how is gallo supposed to facilitate when lawson is on the floor? if you are going to ask a rhetorical question at least make it a valid one and not misdirection.

this "putting the team on his back" stuff is where you go into profound fool's gold mode.

When Gallo came in the score was 92-88 in favor of the Knicks. Who gives a **** about whether it was a 50-0 run. The game was winnable for Denver.

Gallo choked and Melo lit his ass up. Gallo is a shooter. He had plenty of opportunities to let that 3 ball fly and match Melo's output those last 4 minutes but didn't.

Keep it real man.

Melo did his thing during winning time....but the team took control of the game with him on the bench and basically ran the offense through Kidd who had a more significant impact overall in the game.

Melo is having a good season, he's getting recognized for the things he's doing well which is primarily scoring but the Knicks are having success with contributions coming from everyone.

Good post. I don't think anyone can argue with this. No one is trying to say Melo is Jordan, it's just frustrating when some posters try to pretend that Melo is doing nothing to contribute to the success we are having and trying to point out the littlest things to make a point or further an agenda.

It has more to do with going over the top with credit he deserves. Like saying against the Bulls had we had Melo we would have won, well had the Bulls had Rose what then?

Then if you say well it would have been nice to have a healthy Shumpert well what if the Bulls had a healthy Rip Hamilton? Then if you say well it would have been nice to have Amar'e then what if Taj Gibson doesn't get ejected?

There was way too much Melo this Melo that before one game was even played this year and then as it got underway it continued to increase beyond. It would be nice to see more balance when discussing him mixing it with discussion of other Knicks.

I agree. That's fair.

3G4G wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks went on a 12-0 run with melo on the bench and gallo on the bench. hard for you to acknowledge that for some reason so i repeat it for you.

how is gallo supposed to facilitate when lawson is on the floor? if you are going to ask a rhetorical question at least make it a valid one and not misdirection.

this "putting the team on his back" stuff is where you go into profound fool's gold mode.

When Gallo came in the score was 92-88 in favor of the Knicks. Who gives a **** about whether it was a 50-0 run. The game was winnable for Denver.

Gallo choked and Melo lit his ass up. Gallo is a shooter. He had plenty of opportunities to let that 3 ball fly and match Melo's output those last 4 minutes but didn't.

Keep it real man.

Melo did his thing during winning time....but the team took control of the game with him on the bench and basically ran the offense through Kidd who had a more significant impact overall in the game.

Melo is having a good season, he's getting recognized for the things he's doing well which is primarily scoring but the Knicks are having success with contributions coming from everyone.

Good post. I don't think anyone can argue with this. No one is trying to say Melo is Jordan, it's just frustrating when some posters try to pretend that Melo is doing nothing to contribute to the success we are having and trying to point out the littlest things to make a point or further an agenda.

It has more to do with going over the top with credit he deserves. Like saying against the Bulls had we had Melo we would have won, well had the Bulls had Rose what then?

Then if you say well it would have been nice to have a healthy Shumpert well what if the Bulls had a healthy Rip Hamilton? Then if you say well it would have been nice to have Amar'e then what if Taj Gibson doesn't get ejected?

There was way too much Melo this Melo that before one game was even played this year and then as it got underway it continued to increase beyond. It would be nice to see more balance when discussing him mixing it with discussion of other Knicks.

exactly.. good post..

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks went on a 12-0 run with melo on the bench and gallo on the bench. hard for you to acknowledge that for some reason so i repeat it for you.

how is gallo supposed to facilitate when lawson is on the floor? if you are going to ask a rhetorical question at least make it a valid one and not misdirection.

this "putting the team on his back" stuff is where you go into profound fool's gold mode.

When Gallo came in the score was 92-88 in favor of the Knicks. Who gives a **** about whether it was a 50-0 run. The game was winnable for Denver.

Gallo choked and Melo lit his ass up. Gallo is a shooter. He had plenty of opportunities to let that 3 ball fly and match Melo's output those last 4 minutes but didn't.

Keep it real man.

Melo did his thing during winning time....but the team took control of the game with him on the bench and basically ran the offense through Kidd who had a more significant impact overall in the game.

Melo is having a good season, he's getting recognized for the things he's doing well which is primarily scoring but the Knicks are having success with contributions coming from everyone.

Good post. I don't think anyone can argue with this. No one is trying to say Melo is Jordan, it's just frustrating when some posters try to pretend that Melo is doing nothing to contribute to the success we are having and trying to point out the littlest things to make a point or further an agenda.

It has more to do with going over the top with credit he deserves. Like saying against the Bulls had we had Melo we would have won, well had the Bulls had Rose what then?

Then if you say well it would have been nice to have a healthy Shumpert well what if the Bulls had a healthy Rip Hamilton? Then if you say well it would have been nice to have Amar'e then what if Taj Gibson doesn't get ejected?

There was way too much Melo this Melo that before one game was even played this year and then as it got underway it continued to increase beyond. It would be nice to see more balance when discussing him mixing it with discussion of other Knicks.

exactly.. good post..

Keep in mind the same group of fans who despise Bulls and their players were the same ones getting on them for overrating their young players over the years and overrating Rose's MVP candidacy..... you know when the Bulls won a hell of a lot of games that year and Rose had a career year. I was even one who said he probably shouldn't have received the award and that his teammates deserved more credit. Is there a big difference from what we've done and are currently doing?

I see similar situation developing here in that the team is better than at times given credit for without the Star. We saw the following year how things played out with the Bulls and Rose and to a certain extent again this year.

We have to learn to keep things in their proper perspective.

3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

3G4G wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

dk7th wrote:the knicks went on a 12-0 run with melo on the bench and gallo on the bench. hard for you to acknowledge that for some reason so i repeat it for you.

how is gallo supposed to facilitate when lawson is on the floor? if you are going to ask a rhetorical question at least make it a valid one and not misdirection.

this "putting the team on his back" stuff is where you go into profound fool's gold mode.

When Gallo came in the score was 92-88 in favor of the Knicks. Who gives a **** about whether it was a 50-0 run. The game was winnable for Denver.

Gallo choked and Melo lit his ass up. Gallo is a shooter. He had plenty of opportunities to let that 3 ball fly and match Melo's output those last 4 minutes but didn't.

Keep it real man.

Melo did his thing during winning time....but the team took control of the game with him on the bench and basically ran the offense through Kidd who had a more significant impact overall in the game.

Melo is having a good season, he's getting recognized for the things he's doing well which is primarily scoring but the Knicks are having success with contributions coming from everyone.

Good post. I don't think anyone can argue with this. No one is trying to say Melo is Jordan, it's just frustrating when some posters try to pretend that Melo is doing nothing to contribute to the success we are having and trying to point out the littlest things to make a point or further an agenda.

It has more to do with going over the top with credit he deserves. Like saying against the Bulls had we had Melo we would have won, well had the Bulls had Rose what then?

Then if you say well it would have been nice to have a healthy Shumpert well what if the Bulls had a healthy Rip Hamilton? Then if you say well it would have been nice to have Amar'e then what if Taj Gibson doesn't get ejected?

There was way too much Melo this Melo that before one game was even played this year and then as it got underway it continued to increase beyond. It would be nice to see more balance when discussing him mixing it with discussion of other Knicks.

exactly.. good post..

Keep in mind the same group of fans who despise Bulls and their players were the same ones getting on them for overrating their young players over the years and overrating Rose's MVP candidacy..... you know when the Bulls won a hell of a lot of games that year and Rose had a career year. I was even one who said he probably shouldn't have received the award and that his teammates deserved more credit. Is there a big difference from what we've done and are currently doing?

I see similar situation developing here in that the team is better than at times given credit for without the Star. We saw the following year how things played out with the Bulls and Rose and to a certain extent again this year.

We have to learn to keep things in their proper perspective.

yea, I remember you pointed out their record without rose... with rose, etc.. good call..

NUPE wrote:Knicks: 15 - 5. That is the only stat that I care for. Haters, you know who you are, can go sit in a corner. LMAO!

3G4G wrote:

NUPE wrote:

3G4G wrote:Keep in mind the same group of fans who despise Bulls and their players were the same ones getting on them for overrating their young players over the years and overrating Rose's MVP candidacy..... you know when the Bulls won a hell of a lot of games that year and Rose had a career year. I was even one who said he probably shouldn't have received the award and that his teammates deserved more credit. Is there a big difference from what we've done and are currently doing?

I see similar situation developing here in that the team is better than at times given credit for without the Star. We saw the following year how things played out with the Bulls and Rose and to a certain extent again this year.

We have to learn to keep things in their proper perspective.

Well, Rose certainly deserved the MVP the year he won it. An argument could be made for others that year but Rose was certainly in that discussion and deserving. Melo is certainly in the discussion this year and whether he wins it or not will depend on various things but Melo is certainly in the discussion. This does not detract from other players making strong contributions to Knick wins. No one has stated Melo is the sole reason as to why the Knicks are 15 - 5. However, the award goes to the best player on one of the best teams and Melo is clearly the best player on the team right now.

Who said Melo wasn't in the discussion? He's been in the discussion in the past with a 6th place finish. There are other players across the league in the discussion. After 4gms starting the thread this is what makes things like this over the top.

Had the thread been started today then okay maybe a tad bit more understandable.... after 4gms NO!

There is an entire thread on this board where people said Melo was not in the discussion due to his TS%, FG% and other nonsense. As for the past, it is irrelevant to who has a real chance of winning the award this year. This current season, if the Knicks keep at this current pace and/or improve, there is a very good chance that Melo will win the MVP. Also, how the heck is me stating Melo is in the discussion over the top? I also stated that Rose was deserving the year he won. How was that over the top? Perhaps you should calm the heck down.