3G4G wrote:

tkf wrote:

knickscity wrote:Holfresh with Wade, the team wouldn't have needed a monster month from one player.

You'd have consistency throughout, and efficiency, and a naturally willing defender.

I'm glad Melo is here, but to say he's a better player than Wade is just so wrong.

I agree..... and I am also confused on how some people don't view wade as a scorer.. I hear them say carmelo is a GREAT scorer, and I think he is a Great STREAK scorer, but, lets go with great scorer for arguments sake... carmelo is a 24ppg career scorer.. wade is at 25ppg.... wade is not only a very good and willing defender on a nightly basis, he is also a fantastic scorer as well....

Hasn't Wade won at least 1 scoring title and come a close second a couple other times? What about All NBA Teams?

Wade won the scoring title in 08-09. Had an incredible individual season that year. His team finished 43-39 and got bounced out of the 1st round by the Hawks. When its all said and done, Wade will go down as a better player than Melo, I dont think anyone is disputing that, at least I think they are. I think what some are saying is that Wade is on his way down due to injuries and such. With that said, some feel that today, Melo is a better player.

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

Okay, lets say that there are some posts that give him too much credit. Can you at least admit that there is a flip-side to these posts that refuse to give Melo any credit at all? Or at least go overboard and try to make his effect as minimal as possible?

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

Of course Melo threads will be longer because Melo is a hot-button topic. Think about it, you have openly admitted that you dont like Melo, yet, I bet if we take a closer look at every thread with Melo's name attached, you have just as many posts in those threads as anyone. No? I do aswell, of course, but you can't call anyone out when you are contributing to the problem.

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Despite winning chips with all time greats, at the end of the day Wade is a champion so I agree, its not an argument Melo would win despite the circumstances in Wade's favor. As far as not wanting to play with Melo, I recall Chris Paul wanting to join forces with him. Chandler took a look at the roster with Melo in tow and signed off on the deal.

in all honesty most of my responses come in defense of one comment I may make.... it is not like I don't have to fight off 300 different hate post, gallo suck post, lin suck post when a simple comment is made about carmelo... I would love to not talk about the guy at all...

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

The Knicks are playing well as a team and should they finish with 50+ wins and a top 3 seed as I feel they will, Melo will get MVP consideration as is always the case with top players on playoff bound teams. However, it's way to early to discuss Melo and MVP being a grand total of 8 games into the season. So far I like what I see from him but it's still early. Wether or not he can continue to play the way he has remains to be seen. I hope he does continue his play as the Knicks will be much much better off.

I think that is a very fair analysis... thank you..

This does not minimize anything Melo has accomplished thus far this season and I am very happy with Melo. However, Wade is the better player.

I also find it funny that people are trying to minimize Melo by bringing up players that might be better than him. LoL!

newyorknewyork wrote:If im not mistaken didn't Chris Paul give a toast at Melo's wedding stating he wanted to team up with Melo and Amare in NY before he got traded to the Clippers.

yea, I also heard while giving that toast he was texting blake griffing " get read for lob city homies"....

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Not to mention the east was super weak when they went to the finals.

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

3G4G wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Shaq on the Heat had regular season numbers but he wasn't near the same dominant Shaq. Go look up Shaq's playoff numbers against the Pistons in the Finals as a Laker, then look up Shaq's playoffs numbers against the Pistons as a Heat.

In Shaq's second season as a Heat his missed over 20gms. This is the year they won it all. Go look up Shaq's Finals numbers this year then compare them to his career Finals averages.

Google Up!!!!

Yea I guess 23 playoffs games played in '06 with averages of 18 and 10 boards is a walk in park for most 33 yr old centers. Wade will just set picks for himself and boxout Erick Dampier too. Shaq was still a force at age 33, you can't teach 7'2 300 pounds with experience and skills.

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

holfresh wrote:Wade is not the player he was two/three years ago...He has slowed with multiple injuries...No way he carries a team like that today...

you keep saying carrying a team and then you scream that carmelo needed help from last year.. really there is just one guy now that can just carry a team.. that is lebron.. everyone else needs a little help, but with help some guys will just take their teams further.. wade is one of them..

The help that Wade received were two of the alltime greats. You think if Melo had the same type of help that Wade had, he wouldn't have taken his teams further?

NO, HE WOULDN'T Have, they would have, I don't think any of those guys would take a back seat to melo.. my honest opinion.. so would melo have gone further on a team led by those guys.. yes, but that gets back to my point about building a team with a better franchise player, and if melo is on that team he can help... sure..

my question is, will most carmelo fans be fine with this.. because it seems that winning is not enough, but it has to be done with "carmelo leading us"... and sorry, but leading and carmelo just don't seem to fit...

Of course its they, Wade didn't take his teams anywhere without Shaq and Lebron. But with them, they won a 'chip.

And who are these Ghost Posters who feel winning is not enough? I dont see it. Most are very happy with the start the team has gotten off to. I dont see anyone on this board that is a Melo fan first, and Knick fan second. Actually, you got it twisted. I see some posters who in spite of W's over the Heat and Spurs were quick to put a magnifying glass over what Melo didn't do right out in those games.
I still see posters place unrealistic expectations on the backs of this team saying 'if we don't make it to the finals, then its been a disappointing year.' Yet, these same posters picked the Knicks to finish no higher than 3-4 in the conferenc. Go figure.

well i see it, they attribute the knicks start to carmelo and the "domino effect" which we have very little evidence of that.

It just seems as if it is so hard for some to say the knicks are playing well as a team, but no, every single thing from popcorn sales to someone shooting well is attributed to carmelo...

just go take a look, there is a thread on raymond felton.. no one gives a damn, it is empty... there is also a thread on "positive only" knick comments.. not really that busy, mostly some comical answers all in fun... but you post a carmelo MVP/ny knicks thread and you get more responses defending carmelo as a mvp candidate than defending the knicks and their recent play...

but back to the point.. wade is a champion.. end of story.. guys come to play with wade because they felt they could win.. why has none of the elite players run to play with carmelo? maybe we should start asking that.. maybe carmelo has just been very unlucky, or just not good as some think he is.. either way, it is what it is.. I don't think anyone can fairly argue him being better than wade, I don't care who came to play with whom..

Silliness

Of course this thread will get more responses because we have guys like you who act offended by someone starting this type of thread on Melo which causes debate. You come off as rooting against him more then rooting for him to accomplish what you would like him to as a player. The other threads most ppl are pretty much in agreement on and ppl are pretty much repeating the same things so of course the responses will be less. Plus they were started yesterday compared to a week ago.

Wade plays in Miami(great weather & night life), Carmelo played in Denver(Mountains). How many elite players ran over the play with Lebron in Cleveland or Bosh in Canada?

didn't shaq go to cleveland and according to you guys was the reason why wade won?

Lol At least do a google search before posting TKF.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 33) averaged 20 and 9 for the Heat as a still dominant force in Miami.

Shaquille O'Neal (Age 37) was clearly approaching retirement by the day averaging 12 and 6 for Cleveland.

Not to mention the east was super weak when they went to the finals.

SO NOW we are going to minimize what wade has done while pumping up shaq as a prime shaq when he clearly wasn't... .WOW!!!