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9/18/2008  6:54 PM
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Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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9/18/2008  9:33 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Why did McCain change his platform from the primary. In those primaries McCain indicated that the country was on the right path but now he steals Obama's platform when it becomes apparent that people want change versus status quo. McCain lost all credibility when three agos indicated that the economy is fundamentally sound but as the market began to tumble. He changed his stance. Wow. That shows a man who doesn't have a clue about what's going on in this country. I think he is too focus on beating Saddam, oh wait he's dead. Why are we still in Iraq again?
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9/18/2008  9:35 PM
Posted by MS:

There is no question that this administration has made a number or tremendous mistakes. But, lets not blame the economy entirely on them, considering in was on the way down when clinton went out of office. The war was mishandled, the economy is faltering. Everyone was at fault here Republicans and Democrats, they should have seen this coming, the SEC should have stepped in, but they didn't.
This complete BS about it being onits way down just amazes me. The Democrats were cutting the budget deficit down, under Bush it went to how may TRILLION dollars? The democrats are the only hope this economy has.

However, the media has been far more cut throat towards McCain and Palin then they have been with Obama, everyone complains about Fox News, but fails to bring up the New York Times, fails to bring up the one sided nature of pop culture like US Weekly, Rolling Stone, TV Shows, etc. All I hear from Obama is how his judgment should be trusted because he didn't vote for the war, which John McCain, John Kerry, Hiliary Clinton, and JOE BINDEN all voted for.
VOTED FOR??? I dont give a rat's *** who voted for it! Who CONDUCTED The effing war? Kerry, Clinton or Biden? Did Bush tell us we would be there for this many years and spend a billion a week? Was that what the VOTED on?

Obama wants to repeal the tax cutes and enforce capital gains which will be detrimental to investing and small business owners, 250k is a lot of money, but not when you factor in living in a metropolitan city and having to support a family, pay for college, etc. He complains about equal pay calling for women to make the same amount of money as men, but the women on his staff are making 8k less than the men. And anyone who bitches about the media and reverend wright please look at the inverse of the situation if mccains spiritual advisor was a racist with clan ties. You can't say the priest who married you, baptized your children, a man who you sat through 20 years of sermons isn't a big influence on your life and you can't discount his views.
Do you have a better suggestion for paying back national debt?? Dont give me BS about trickle down econmy what the crap did it do for us over the last eight years? Exactly!! Oh wait you want to borrow our way out of debt, right?

You want to talk about experience I agree Palin doesn't have much, the Gibson interview was not a shinning moment clearly, but neither does Obama, he rose to his position like most politicians through a close affaliation within his party that allowed Obama to ride his coat tails, and be on bills with him in order to rise within his party. A lot has to change and our either of these tickets really committed to it? No one can really be sure, but talking about change and actually having a record of change is a big difference.

No I want to talk about a power hungry domineering person who is dumb enough to suggest that we go to WAR with RUSSIA! Lets get this discussion going.

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9/18/2008  9:37 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080919/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate
Thank you, Rick Brunson.
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9/18/2008  10:00 PM
Ron Paul will not endorse McCain!


[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-18-2008 10:01 PM]
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9/19/2008  12:38 PM
Background information on McCain's and Obama's economic advisors. It might be easier to read from the website than the below text.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-18-econteams_N.htm
The stock market tanks. Major banks and investment firms fail. The economy flirts with recession.
Who would President Barack Obama or President John McCain call?
The answer might be found in the people they call now: former Cabinet officials and corporate titans, staffers to past presidents and Congresses, economists who tamed double-digit inflation and beat back budget deficits.
POLL: Wall Street crisis won't affect voters' choices
CANDIDATES: Records thin on Wall Street oversight, control
Some of the candidates' economic advisers have deep ties to Wall Street — and to the wildly lucrative, lightly regulated environment that contributed to the financial crisis rooted in risky mortgage lending.
As McCain rails against greed on Wall Street and Obama casts the current problems as the legacy of Republicans' devotion to deregulation of the financial industry, both candidates are in daily contact with a broad range of economic advisers — some of whom could be in the next administration.
Team Obama is an ideologically diverse group including policy veterans such as Paul Volcker, Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers — people who served Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton at the Federal Reserve, Treasury Department and White House. "A very reassuring team," says Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
Team McCain is more professionally eclectic, reaching beyond Washington to Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who have run companies such as Hewlett-Packard and eBay. It trumpets low taxes and — at least until now — less regulation. "It's Reagan Republicanism," says Grover Norquist, president of the anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform.
As the economy came to dominate the campaign agenda this week, it became clear that such advisers would play an increasingly important role in the seven weeks leading up to Election Day. The demise of Lehman Bros., the swallowing up of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America and the government's takeover of insurance giant American International Group seem to have given Obama the debate he sought to have with McCain over how the Republican administration of George W. Bush has managed the economy this decade.
Both candidates have been ducking into meetings with economic advisers. Stanford University professor John Taylor, author of a globally recognized rule that guides central banks on setting interest rates, flew to Green Bay, Wis., on Thursday to meet with McCain before a campaign stop. Today, Obama will meet with several of his economic specialists in Coral Gables, Fla.
The learning curve is large for two politicians with a combined 30 years in Congress but who have never run a major company — a point indelicately made by this week by McCain adviser Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard chief who said none of the candidates for president or vice president was qualified to be CEO of a major company.
Don't look for all of these Democratic or Republican advisers to come to Washington in January. They're "not necessarily the cast of characters" who'll be in the next White House, says Stephen Hess, a Brookings Institution political scientist who worked in the Eisenhower and Nixon administrations. "Once Nov. 5 comes along, everything may be a different equation."
Veterans of economic wars
When Robert Reich, a University of California-Berkeley economist, showed up for an economic summit with Obama earlier this year, he was surprised by some of the company he was keeping.
"I never thought I would be sitting across a table from Paul O'Neill," says Reich, who was Clinton's Labor secretary. O'Neill was President Bush's first Treasury secretary.
The encounter encapsulated the diversity of Obama's economic team. The Illinois senator is "very, very insistent" on getting views from across a political and ideological spectrum, says Jason Furman, who directs economic policy for Obama's campaign and referees weekly conference calls to generate ideas.
Billionaire investor Warren Buffett and Jared Bernstein of the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute have been asked to provide advice to Obama. The team also includes veterans of the Clinton administration — some of whom helped write the legislation that tore down the regulatory walls between banking and investment firms — and others, such as Reich, who think that such deregulation of financial markets laid the groundwork for today's problems.
"It was a mistake," says Reich, who had left the Clinton administration by the time the president signed the legislation.
Thomas "Mack" McLarty, Clinton's former White House chief of staff, and New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, a former Goldman Sachs CEO who was in the Senate at the time, say abuses proliferated because the Bush administration refused to enforce protections within the law.
"The goal shouldn't be just to facilitate business, but to protect the public," says Corzine, another Wall Street veteran whom Obama has consulted.
In recent days, Obama has sought advice about the financial crisis from Summers and two other Clinton administration veterans — Rubin, who preceded Summers as Treasury secretary, and former White House economic adviser Laura D'Andrea Tyson. Obama also has spoken with Volcker, 81, an emeritus professor of economics at Princeton University who chaired the Federal Reserve under Carter and Ronald Reagan.
All are deficit hawks likely to give Obama "fiscally conservative" advice, says Leon Panetta, who was Clinton's chief of staff and budget director. Volcker and Rubin also are veterans of major financial crises: Volcker is hailed for ending the double-digit inflation of the 1970s, Rubin for preventing the Mexican government from defaulting on its debts in the 1990s.
Several of Obama's advisers have ties to companies mired in the Wall Street crisis. Tyson is on the board of Morgan Stanley, which paid her $350,830 in stock and cash in 2006, according to Securities and Exchange Commission records.
Rubin is a senior adviser to Citigroup, a company embroiled in the crisis surrounding subprime mortgages that have been given to high-risk borrowers. Rubin's compensation from Citigroup in 2005 was $17 million, according to the SEC.
Another Obama adviser, William Donaldson, is a former Republican SEC chairman who once infuriated some on Wall Street by pushing for tougher regulations on hedge funds and mutual funds. Donaldson also is on the advisory council of a firm that's been retained by a former CEO of AIG. He says he has "no role at all" in the AIG matter.
Big business at the table
McCain's economic team is a far-flung enterprise, including dozens of specialists from Wall Street, universities and conservative think tanks — most dedicated to Republican ideals of low taxes and less regulation.
"I have a big Rolodex," says Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former Congressional Budget Office director who is McCain's domestic policy adviser. "McCain likes a broad array of views. He's not an ideological sort of guy."
The campaign's top economic advisers include Fiorina and Meg Whitman, formerly of eBay.
Democrats delight in pointing out Fiorina's dismissal by the Hewlett-Packard board, which granted her an $11 million payout, the type of going-away package McCain rails against. Fiorina notes McCain has called for shareholder approval for executive pay packages and says hers was backed by shareholders.
Many members of McCain's team are executives with strong ties to Wall Street:
• John Thain became CEO of Merrill Lynch in December, after its board ousted Stan O'Neal. Thain's $81 million pay package made him the second highest-earning CEO in the nation this year. Bloomberg News reported that Thain could make another $11 million in accelerated stock payouts in light of the sale of Merrill Lynch to Bank of America.
• During 2007, Whitman's last full year as CEO at eBay, her salary, bonuses and stock options totaled $10 million. Forbes magazine estimated her personal wealth this year at $1.3 billion. In 2001 and 2002, she was director of Goldman Sachs, one of the two remaining independent investment banks in the USA.
Holtz-Eakin says he sees no conflict about consulting Thain, who joined the McCain team before taking over Merrill Lynch. He says Thain did a great job taking the company from a "troubled place" to a "successful purchase."
Other McCain advisers include deregulation specialist Peter Wallison of the American Enterprise Institute and Taylor, the Stanford professor. Also on McCain's list is Martin Feldstein, a top economics adviser to President Reagan.
Wallison, who has backed deregulation of business and financial markets throughout a career in government and the private sector, says he and McCain have "been for regulation when it's necessary." A former White House counsel to Ronald Reagan, he says McCain favored cracking down on the excesses of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "when the Democrats were opposed to it."
The financial crisis — and the calls for increased regulation it has inspired — has seemed to catch McCain off-guard at times. This week, he said he was opposed to a government bailout of insurance giant AIG. Then, after such a bailout was announced, he said it was probably necessary. (Obama did not express an opinion on the bailout but said it was the product of "failed economic policy" by Republicans.)
Thursday, McCain unveiled a plan to create a "mortgage and financial institutions trust" that would "identify institutions that are weak and take remedies to strengthen them."

[Edited by - hank on 09-19-2008 12:39 PM]
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9/19/2008  5:56 PM
Posted by Hank:

Background information on McCain's and Obama's economic advisors. It might be easier to read from the website than the below text.



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-18-econteams_N.htm
The stock market tanks. Major banks and investment firms fail. The economy flirts with recession.
Who would President Barack Obama or President John McCain call?
The answer might be found in the people they call now: former Cabinet officials and corporate titans, staffers to past presidents and Congresses, economists who tamed double-digit inflation and beat back budget deficits.
POLL: Wall Street crisis won't affect voters' choices
CANDIDATES: Records thin on Wall Street oversight, control
Some of the candidates' economic advisers have deep ties to Wall Street — and to the wildly lucrative, lightly regulated environment that contributed to the financial crisis rooted in risky mortgage lending.
As McCain rails against greed on Wall Street and Obama casts the current problems as the legacy of Republicans' devotion to deregulation of the financial industry, both candidates are in daily contact with a broad range of economic advisers — some of whom could be in the next administration.
Team Obama is an ideologically diverse group including policy veterans such as Paul Volcker, Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers — people who served Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton at the Federal Reserve, Treasury Department and White House. "A very reassuring team," says Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
Team McCain is more professionally eclectic, reaching beyond Washington to Silicon Valley entrepreneurs who have run companies such as Hewlett-Packard and eBay. It trumpets low taxes and — at least until now — less regulation. "It's Reagan Republicanism," says Grover Norquist, president of the anti-tax group Americans for Tax Reform.
As the economy came to dominate the campaign agenda this week, it became clear that such advisers would play an increasingly important role in the seven weeks leading up to Election Day. The demise of Lehman Bros., the swallowing up of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America and the government's takeover of insurance giant American International Group seem to have given Obama the debate he sought to have with McCain over how the Republican administration of George W. Bush has managed the economy this decade.
Both candidates have been ducking into meetings with economic advisers. Stanford University professor John Taylor, author of a globally recognized rule that guides central banks on setting interest rates, flew to Green Bay, Wis., on Thursday to meet with McCain before a campaign stop. Today, Obama will meet with several of his economic specialists in Coral Gables, Fla.
The learning curve is large for two politicians with a combined 30 years in Congress but who have never run a major company — a point indelicately made by this week by McCain adviser Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard chief who said none of the candidates for president or vice president was qualified to be CEO of a major company.
Don't look for all of these Democratic or Republican advisers to come to Washington in January. They're "not necessarily the cast of characters" who'll be in the next White House, says Stephen Hess, a Brookings Institution political scientist who worked in the Eisenhower and Nixon administrations. "Once Nov. 5 comes along, everything may be a different equation."
Veterans of economic wars
When Robert Reich, a University of California-Berkeley economist, showed up for an economic summit with Obama earlier this year, he was surprised by some of the company he was keeping.
"I never thought I would be sitting across a table from Paul O'Neill," says Reich, who was Clinton's Labor secretary. O'Neill was President Bush's first Treasury secretary.
The encounter encapsulated the diversity of Obama's economic team. The Illinois senator is "very, very insistent" on getting views from across a political and ideological spectrum, says Jason Furman, who directs economic policy for Obama's campaign and referees weekly conference calls to generate ideas.
Billionaire investor Warren Buffett and Jared Bernstein of the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute have been asked to provide advice to Obama. The team also includes veterans of the Clinton administration — some of whom helped write the legislation that tore down the regulatory walls between banking and investment firms — and others, such as Reich, who think that such deregulation of financial markets laid the groundwork for today's problems.
"It was a mistake," says Reich, who had left the Clinton administration by the time the president signed the legislation.
Thomas "Mack" McLarty, Clinton's former White House chief of staff, and New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, a former Goldman Sachs CEO who was in the Senate at the time, say abuses proliferated because the Bush administration refused to enforce protections within the law.
"The goal shouldn't be just to facilitate business, but to protect the public," says Corzine, another Wall Street veteran whom Obama has consulted.
In recent days, Obama has sought advice about the financial crisis from Summers and two other Clinton administration veterans — Rubin, who preceded Summers as Treasury secretary, and former White House economic adviser Laura D'Andrea Tyson. Obama also has spoken with Volcker, 81, an emeritus professor of economics at Princeton University who chaired the Federal Reserve under Carter and Ronald Reagan.
All are deficit hawks likely to give Obama "fiscally conservative" advice, says Leon Panetta, who was Clinton's chief of staff and budget director. Volcker and Rubin also are veterans of major financial crises: Volcker is hailed for ending the double-digit inflation of the 1970s, Rubin for preventing the Mexican government from defaulting on its debts in the 1990s.
Several of Obama's advisers have ties to companies mired in the Wall Street crisis. Tyson is on the board of Morgan Stanley, which paid her $350,830 in stock and cash in 2006, according to Securities and Exchange Commission records.
Rubin is a senior adviser to Citigroup, a company embroiled in the crisis surrounding subprime mortgages that have been given to high-risk borrowers. Rubin's compensation from Citigroup in 2005 was $17 million, according to the SEC.
Another Obama adviser, William Donaldson, is a former Republican SEC chairman who once infuriated some on Wall Street by pushing for tougher regulations on hedge funds and mutual funds. Donaldson also is on the advisory council of a firm that's been retained by a former CEO of AIG. He says he has "no role at all" in the AIG matter.
Big business at the table
McCain's economic team is a far-flung enterprise, including dozens of specialists from Wall Street, universities and conservative think tanks — most dedicated to Republican ideals of low taxes and less regulation.
"I have a big Rolodex," says Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former Congressional Budget Office director who is McCain's domestic policy adviser. "McCain likes a broad array of views. He's not an ideological sort of guy."
The campaign's top economic advisers include Fiorina and Meg Whitman, formerly of eBay.
Democrats delight in pointing out Fiorina's dismissal by the Hewlett-Packard board, which granted her an $11 million payout, the type of going-away package McCain rails against. Fiorina notes McCain has called for shareholder approval for executive pay packages and says hers was backed by shareholders.
Many members of McCain's team are executives with strong ties to Wall Street:
• John Thain became CEO of Merrill Lynch in December, after its board ousted Stan O'Neal. Thain's $81 million pay package made him the second highest-earning CEO in the nation this year. Bloomberg News reported that Thain could make another $11 million in accelerated stock payouts in light of the sale of Merrill Lynch to Bank of America.
• During 2007, Whitman's last full year as CEO at eBay, her salary, bonuses and stock options totaled $10 million. Forbes magazine estimated her personal wealth this year at $1.3 billion. In 2001 and 2002, she was director of Goldman Sachs, one of the two remaining independent investment banks in the USA.
Holtz-Eakin says he sees no conflict about consulting Thain, who joined the McCain team before taking over Merrill Lynch. He says Thain did a great job taking the company from a "troubled place" to a "successful purchase."
Other McCain advisers include deregulation specialist Peter Wallison of the American Enterprise Institute and Taylor, the Stanford professor. Also on McCain's list is Martin Feldstein, a top economics adviser to President Reagan.
Wallison, who has backed deregulation of business and financial markets throughout a career in government and the private sector, says he and McCain have "been for regulation when it's necessary." A former White House counsel to Ronald Reagan, he says McCain favored cracking down on the excesses of mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "when the Democrats were opposed to it."
The financial crisis — and the calls for increased regulation it has inspired — has seemed to catch McCain off-guard at times. This week, he said he was opposed to a government bailout of insurance giant AIG. Then, after such a bailout was announced, he said it was probably necessary. (Obama did not express an opinion on the bailout but said it was the product of "failed economic policy" by Republicans.)
Thursday, McCain unveiled a plan to create a "mortgage and financial institutions trust" that would "identify institutions that are weak and take remedies to strengthen them."

[Edited by - hank on 09-19-2008 12:39 PM]

Imho they are going to have to go back 5 years+ and seek out all the principles in every facet who helped create this absolute disaster and go after their bank accounts and seek indictments with some hard time attached. This was a massive larceny and heads HAVE to roll. There was a front page article in the New Haven Register about how multiple law enforcement agencies finally tracked down guy who stole 3400 dollars in a bogus ticket sale scheme. This dumb MFer will get 5 years and the people who stole a trillion dollars will be sipping Pina Colada's in the Caribbean. And all that police work that went into catching the 3k dollar bandit--guess what--it will cost each cop roughly 1,000 of their own money to pay for the wreck. Not their fault but shows the system can be brutally wrong. The one good thing that will come out of this is that we will have regulation by stangulation to prevent utter chaos.
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9/20/2008  10:21 AM
one of the better private anti-mccain ads I have seen


[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-20-2008 10:22 AM]
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9/20/2008  11:16 AM
Hi everybody

I'm really sorry I'm not a regular contributor to this site but since I'm spanish (and a knicks fan who enjoys reading your views in this board from time to time) I'd like you to know how big is the foreign affairs experience of Mr. Mccain



Apparently he confused Spain (in Europe) with some country in the western hemisphery and what is worse with a potential enemy of the States



Regards (and sorry for the spelling mistakes)
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We are facing one the most serious financial crisis of the last 20 years and people are seriously considering voitng for McCain, who acknowledges he does not know a damn thing about the economy, and Palin, who probably has never even seen the national budget. While Obama certainly is not the most qualified economic expert in the country he is; (1) smart, finishing with honors from Harvard whil McCain finished 894 of 899 people in his class and palin went to like 2 or 3 colleges before she could get bs degree (and the economics of this country is a very complex issue that takes a great deal of intelligence to fully understand, which is why Bush has been screwing it up for the past 8 years); (2) has shown a willingness to listen to different views, while McCain/Palin remind me of the closed-minded Bush; and (3) I think he picked a wiser team of economic advisors than the group McCain assembled. Obama is focused on bring jobs back to America, developing renewable sources of energy to reduce our dependence on oil, and enforcing regulations to keep companies in check. McCain does alot of talking, but if you listen to what he was saying 4 months ago to what he is saying now, it is like a total flip-flop, which suggests to me that he is just talking to try to win the election rather than say what he really thinks and intends to do.

[Edited by - thegame on 20-09-2008 11:52]
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Posted by Silverfuel:

one of the better private anti-mccain ads I have seen


[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-20-2008 10:22 AM]

Who made that ad? Why is it not on TV all the time? Damn it's a good ad!
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Posted by TheGame:

We are facing one the most serious financial crisis of the last 20 years and people are seriously considering voitng for McCain, who acknowledges he does not know a damn thing about the economy, and Palin, who probably has never even seen the national budget. While Obama certainly is not the most qualified economic expert in the country he is; (1) smart, finishing with honors from Harvard whil McCain finished 894 of 899 people in his class and palin went to like 2 or 3 colleges before she could get bs degree (and the economics of this country is a very complex issue that takes a great deal of intelligence to fully understand, which is why Bush has been screwing it up for the past 8 years); (2) has shown a willingness to listen to different views, while McCain/Palin remind me of the closed-minded Bush; and (3) I think he picked a wiser team of economic advisors than the group McCain assembled. Obama is focused on bring jobs back to America, developing renewable sources of energy to reduce our dependence on oil, and enforcing regulations to keep companies in check. McCain does alot of talking, but if you listen to what he was saying 4 months ago to what he is saying now, it is like a total flip-flop, which suggests to me that he is just talking to try to win the election rather than say what he really thinks and intends to do.

[Edited by - thegame on 20-09-2008 11:52]

I'm not sure about many of you but I'm really scared...I work in the financial industry and I don't want you guys to underestimate what serious times we are living in...We are screwed right now...Without credit you have nothing...This bailout must happen...Never before have we seen such Financial giants crumble so quickly or look so vulnerable...Merril, Lehman,AIG, gone in less than a week...Morgan Stanley who told all it's major clients last summer(July if I remember correctly) to get out the stock market...Goldman's looking for a partner as well...One thing I'm sure of, it's worst than politicians are actually saying...I have never seen republicans and democrats agree on anything so quickly other than their own pay raises...

The idea that we will have a C student and a D student (Palin and McCain) trying to lead us out of this is just insanity...We have major major issues on all fronts...This is not a time to screw around and get this one wrong...Bush is so over matched by today's problems it's not even funny, yet the same guys who pushed Bush on us eight years ago is at it again telling us about Palin...McCain's mere selection as Palin as his running mate should disqualify him immediately as a person who can lead this country at anytime...

It's time for all of us to put this Country ahead of party politics...It's that serious...We need the brightest person in there and he is gonna need lots more bright people around him/her to help...No experience garnered in life is gonna help the next President except your name is Billclintonrobertrubinalangreenspanbillgatesstevejobswarrenbuffettdudesfromgoogleandyahooetc all rolled into one...POWs and Hockey moms with lipstick need not apply...I took my money out the market a year ago and now looking for a safe place to park it because now money market accounts aren't even looking safe...With global warming, financial meltdown, housing crisis, war, hurricanes,oil prices,tainted food, etc, how can we roll the dice with people who might not be up to the challenge academically...We can't afford to get this one wrong...

Watching McCain and Palin on the campaign stump nightly, I just shake my head thinking..Is this how this once great Country is gonna go down???...To my Republicans friends here, Bush as we all know was and is a joke but this isn't funny anymore... Put Country ahead of Party...

IM FREAKING SCARED!!!
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Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TheGame:

We are facing one the most serious financial crisis of the last 20 years and people are seriously considering voitng for McCain, who acknowledges he does not know a damn thing about the economy, and Palin, who probably has never even seen the national budget. While Obama certainly is not the most qualified economic expert in the country he is; (1) smart, finishing with honors from Harvard whil McCain finished 894 of 899 people in his class and palin went to like 2 or 3 colleges before she could get bs degree (and the economics of this country is a very complex issue that takes a great deal of intelligence to fully understand, which is why Bush has been screwing it up for the past 8 years); (2) has shown a willingness to listen to different views, while McCain/Palin remind me of the closed-minded Bush; and (3) I think he picked a wiser team of economic advisors than the group McCain assembled. Obama is focused on bring jobs back to America, developing renewable sources of energy to reduce our dependence on oil, and enforcing regulations to keep companies in check. McCain does alot of talking, but if you listen to what he was saying 4 months ago to what he is saying now, it is like a total flip-flop, which suggests to me that he is just talking to try to win the election rather than say what he really thinks and intends to do.

[Edited by - thegame on 20-09-2008 11:52]

I'm not sure about many of you but I'm really scared...I work in the financial industry and I don't want you guys to underestimate what serious times we are living in...We are screwed right now...Without credit you have nothing...This bailout must happen...Never before have we seen such Financial giants crumble so quickly or look so vulnerable...Merril, Lehman,AIG, gone in less than a week...Morgan Stanley who told all it's major clients last summer(July if I remember correctly) to get out the stock market...Goldman's looking for a partner as well...One thing I'm sure of, it's worst than politicians are actually saying...I have never seen republicans and democrats agree on anything so quickly other than their own pay raises...

The idea that we will have a C student and a D student (Palin and McCain) trying to lead us out of this is just insanity...We have major major issues on all fronts...This is not a time to screw around and get this one wrong...Bush is so over matched by today's problems it's not even funny, yet the same guys who pushed Bush on us eight years ago is at it again telling us about Palin...McCain's mere selection as Palin as his running mate should disqualify him immediately as a person who can lead this country at anytime...

It's time for all of us to put this Country ahead of party politics...It's that serious...We need the brightest person in there and he is gonna need lots more bright people around him/her to help...No experience garnered in life is gonna help the next President except your name is Billclintonrobertrubinalangreenspanbillgatesstevejobswarrenbuffettdudesfromgoogleandyahooetc all rolled into one...POWs and Hockey moms with lipstick need not apply...I took my money out the market a year ago and now looking for a safe place to park it because now money market accounts aren't even looking safe...With global warming, financial meltdown, housing crisis, war, hurricanes,oil prices,tainted food, etc, how can we roll the dice with people who might not be up to the challenge academically...We can't afford to get this one wrong...

Watching McCain and Palin on the campaign stump nightly, I just shake my head thinking..Is this how this once great Country is gonna go down???...To my Republicans friends here, Bush as we all know was and is a joke but this isn't funny anymore... Put Country ahead of Party...

IM FREAKING SCARED!!!


After breaking down the initial information--the path that they are taking right now is the best one. Concentarte on an immediate solution THEN I believe it is the duty of the next President to go after a lot of individuals.

What the taxpayers will be doing with the extra money that will come out of OUR checks is

A--we will be buying all of the toxic loans and paper. That means we all OWN these houses which are now under water. The risk/reward scenario is the housing market long term. IF it can bottom and rebound upwards--the paper that is worthless now can actually move up in value over time which would actually could return on the taxpayers expense. You also own 80% of AIG. It saves hundreds of thousands of jobs in the near term and will give banks the ability to continue to operate normally. It will continue to give foreign investors reason to buy our paper and invest in the US. The risk? Still solid in terms of continued defaults that continue to spiral out of control.

It will cost the normal taxpayer roughly 1k$+ in the next 12 months. How are they goinmg to implement these taxes will be what to watch for. They could suspend the ability to deduct your mortgage interest next year but that would be a direct and brutal attack on the middle class. My hope is we see some special assessments against very wealthy people. I think that is a very fair way to start the ball running. Im talking about 10mm++ in net worth.
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9/20/2008  4:51 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TheGame:

We are facing one the most serious financial crisis of the last 20 years and people are seriously considering voitng for McCain, who acknowledges he does not know a damn thing about the economy, and Palin, who probably has never even seen the national budget. While Obama certainly is not the most qualified economic expert in the country he is; (1) smart, finishing with honors from Harvard whil McCain finished 894 of 899 people in his class and palin went to like 2 or 3 colleges before she could get bs degree (and the economics of this country is a very complex issue that takes a great deal of intelligence to fully understand, which is why Bush has been screwing it up for the past 8 years); (2) has shown a willingness to listen to different views, while McCain/Palin remind me of the closed-minded Bush; and (3) I think he picked a wiser team of economic advisors than the group McCain assembled. Obama is focused on bring jobs back to America, developing renewable sources of energy to reduce our dependence on oil, and enforcing regulations to keep companies in check. McCain does alot of talking, but if you listen to what he was saying 4 months ago to what he is saying now, it is like a total flip-flop, which suggests to me that he is just talking to try to win the election rather than say what he really thinks and intends to do.

[Edited by - thegame on 20-09-2008 11:52]

I'm not sure about many of you but I'm really scared...I work in the financial industry and I don't want you guys to underestimate what serious times we are living in...We are screwed right now...Without credit you have nothing...This bailout must happen...Never before have we seen such Financial giants crumble so quickly or look so vulnerable...Merril, Lehman,AIG, gone in less than a week...Morgan Stanley who told all it's major clients last summer(July if I remember correctly) to get out the stock market...Goldman's looking for a partner as well...One thing I'm sure of, it's worst than politicians are actually saying...I have never seen republicans and democrats agree on anything so quickly other than their own pay raises...

The idea that we will have a C student and a D student (Palin and McCain) trying to lead us out of this is just insanity...We have major major issues on all fronts...This is not a time to screw around and get this one wrong...Bush is so over matched by today's problems it's not even funny, yet the same guys who pushed Bush on us eight years ago is at it again telling us about Palin...McCain's mere selection as Palin as his running mate should disqualify him immediately as a person who can lead this country at anytime...

It's time for all of us to put this Country ahead of party politics...It's that serious...We need the brightest person in there and he is gonna need lots more bright people around him/her to help...No experience garnered in life is gonna help the next President except your name is Billclintonrobertrubinalangreenspanbillgatesstevejobswarrenbuffettdudesfromgoogleandyahooetc all rolled into one...POWs and Hockey moms with lipstick need not apply...I took my money out the market a year ago and now looking for a safe place to park it because now money market accounts aren't even looking safe...With global warming, financial meltdown, housing crisis, war, hurricanes,oil prices,tainted food, etc, how can we roll the dice with people who might not be up to the challenge academically...We can't afford to get this one wrong...

Watching McCain and Palin on the campaign stump nightly, I just shake my head thinking..Is this how this once great Country is gonna go down???...To my Republicans friends here, Bush as we all know was and is a joke but this isn't funny anymore... Put Country ahead of Party...

IM FREAKING SCARED!!!


Holfresh,

The only good thing that might come out of the financial crisis is that rich people may start to lose enough money that they stop thinking McCain will be okay for 4 or 8 years and realize that we actually might want someone in office who is intelligent enough to figure this mess out instead of a talking head like McCain.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Silverfuel:

one of the better private anti-mccain ads I have seen


[Edited by - Silverfuel on 09-20-2008 10:22 AM]

Who made that ad? Why is it not on TV all the time? Damn it's a good ad!

This ad shows all the time where I live. I do live in a battleground state (Florida). There are new ones with the Wall Street Journal slaming McCain this week as well for his comments about the economy.
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9/20/2008  6:03 PM
That's good. I live in Alabama and am surrounded by Republicans.
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I just got back from an Obama rally down here in Jacksonville. It was the bomb. There had to be about 10k people in the park and another 8k outside that couldn't get in.
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Posted by TheGame:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TheGame:

We are facing one the most serious financial crisis of the last 20 years and people are seriously considering voitng for McCain, who acknowledges he does not know a damn thing about the economy, and Palin, who probably has never even seen the national budget. While Obama certainly is not the most qualified economic expert in the country he is; (1) smart, finishing with honors from Harvard whil McCain finished 894 of 899 people in his class and palin went to like 2 or 3 colleges before she could get bs degree (and the economics of this country is a very complex issue that takes a great deal of intelligence to fully understand, which is why Bush has been screwing it up for the past 8 years); (2) has shown a willingness to listen to different views, while McCain/Palin remind me of the closed-minded Bush; and (3) I think he picked a wiser team of economic advisors than the group McCain assembled. Obama is focused on bring jobs back to America, developing renewable sources of energy to reduce our dependence on oil, and enforcing regulations to keep companies in check. McCain does alot of talking, but if you listen to what he was saying 4 months ago to what he is saying now, it is like a total flip-flop, which suggests to me that he is just talking to try to win the election rather than say what he really thinks and intends to do.

[Edited by - thegame on 20-09-2008 11:52]

I'm not sure about many of you but I'm really scared...I work in the financial industry and I don't want you guys to underestimate what serious times we are living in...We are screwed right now...Without credit you have nothing...This bailout must happen...Never before have we seen such Financial giants crumble so quickly or look so vulnerable...Merril, Lehman,AIG, gone in less than a week...Morgan Stanley who told all it's major clients last summer(July if I remember correctly) to get out the stock market...Goldman's looking for a partner as well...One thing I'm sure of, it's worst than politicians are actually saying...I have never seen republicans and democrats agree on anything so quickly other than their own pay raises...

The idea that we will have a C student and a D student (Palin and McCain) trying to lead us out of this is just insanity...We have major major issues on all fronts...This is not a time to screw around and get this one wrong...Bush is so over matched by today's problems it's not even funny, yet the same guys who pushed Bush on us eight years ago is at it again telling us about Palin...McCain's mere selection as Palin as his running mate should disqualify him immediately as a person who can lead this country at anytime...

It's time for all of us to put this Country ahead of party politics...It's that serious...We need the brightest person in there and he is gonna need lots more bright people around him/her to help...No experience garnered in life is gonna help the next President except your name is Billclintonrobertrubinalangreenspanbillgatesstevejobswarrenbuffettdudesfromgoogleandyahooetc all rolled into one...POWs and Hockey moms with lipstick need not apply...I took my money out the market a year ago and now looking for a safe place to park it because now money market accounts aren't even looking safe...With global warming, financial meltdown, housing crisis, war, hurricanes,oil prices,tainted food, etc, how can we roll the dice with people who might not be up to the challenge academically...We can't afford to get this one wrong...

Watching McCain and Palin on the campaign stump nightly, I just shake my head thinking..Is this how this once great Country is gonna go down???...To my Republicans friends here, Bush as we all know was and is a joke but this isn't funny anymore... Put Country ahead of Party...

IM FREAKING SCARED!!!


Holfresh,

The only good thing that might come out of the financial crisis is that rich people may start to lose enough money that they stop thinking McCain will be okay for 4 or 8 years and realize that we actually might want someone in office who is intelligent enough to figure this mess out instead of a talking head like McCain.

I hope ur right man, because I think all they see right now is the tax on the rich that kicks in after $680,000 plateau if Obama is elected...Trump and a Big Hilary backer endorsed McPalin this past week...The kicker after $680,000? I think is huge.....
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9/20/2008  9:43 PM
Trump backing McCain is a like a huge endorsement for Obama.
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9/20/2008  9:51 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Trump backing McCain is a like a huge endorsement for Obama.

Agreed. He's such a walking metaphor for self-serving statements, uncut greed, and haughty behavior. That said, at least his logic for voting for McCain makes sense for someone like him, rather than the dodgy logic from most McCain supporters.

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